Rachel Maddow DESTROYS Faux, Proves Why What They Broadcast Is NOT News

[Turborama]

Run time: 07:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3LUid0IZ2w   Posted on YouTube: October 24, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 25, 2009 By DU Member: Turborama Views on DU: 5398

 
NB: The point Rachel makes at the beginning about Faux being denied an interview by the White House http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6845267">has been proved to be false (hat tip to Hissyspit for an excellent post on this), let's hope Rachel corrects this asap.


Rachel points out what has been largely overlooked in the MSM's discussions of the White House feud with Fox News...

Partial transcript as I can't find the full one yet.

"Fox has since been trumpeting this as a victory over the White House and as evidence the media sees Fox as a news station even if the White House doesn't. Fox is right, in that the media generally does treat Fox as a news station, even as the White House says they're not. Is Fox a news station? The answer to that is unrelated to the question of whether and which Fox hosts and correspondents express their opinion about the news. It's is possible to express that opinion about the news and still cover the news responsibly."

"Expressing an opinion about the news does not negate one's status as a news reporter or as a correspondent or as a news anchor," Maddow said. "The expression of opinion about the news is not the difference between Fox and the rest of the news media. The difference between Fox and news is that Fox is now actively organizing and promoting a protest movement against the U.S. government."

"The difference between Fox and news is not that Fox's hired personalities and executives and producers share and express and opinion about the news, that they share an ideology. Opinion has always been a kissing cousin to news and one man's ideology is another man's objective passion. The difference between Fox and news, the way in which one of these things is not like the other, is that only one of these organizations is organizing anti-government street protests."

"There is nothing wrong with that, it's perfectly legal as far as I know. It just makes Fox an opposition political outlet to the Democratic Party and the Obama White House rather than a normal news channel."

[Grassy Knoll]

1. fox can take a fuckin walk.

[Raster]

15. FOX News = Roger Ailes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes

Ailes is THE Prince of Darkness. Forget Novak or Perle. They can't even begin to hold a candle.

[otohara]

2. Anti-Government Street Protests

Thank you Rachel for stating the truth about those hate rallies and calling them what they were and pointing out that for the first time in American history a so-called "news" channel actively promoted anti-government rallies.

[Tx4obama]

3. K&R nt

[bjobotts]

4. Fox has an agenda even in news i.e. every news story about HC was anti reform, etc.

[earcandle]

5. Well done, Rachel. Thank you. That kind of clarity will help sort us out.

[GrimReefa]

6. How come it is that...

Rarely, if ever, do I hear about how Fox has the unfortunate tendency to put "(D)" next to the names of Congresspeople/elected officials who are involved in scandals, no matter what Party they belong to (Rep. Foley and Gov. Sanford, for example). Somebody at the White House needs to make a video of all the times they've done this and send it out to all of the other news networks to run. That should make the point nice and clearly.

[louis-t]

23. The first time they did it, it WAS news.

Fox gave a muttering, stuttering excuse about it being the fault of a "temp" or something, then proceeded to change the subject. It was the 4 or 5 times after that, that it was ignored.

[midnight]

7. I hope the world saw this clear cut explanation about fox's real agenda.

To create and promote opposition,that is opinion and now news....

[deacon]

8. It's not news if the only purpose of the network is to be an opposition voice.

And, they are not a true opposition voice anyway since what they do is make up stuff and sell it as fact. They simply exist to keep the GOP base. No, Fox is not news.

[Roland99]

9. Sr VP Programming, Bill Shine, admitted the network is aiming to be “the voice of opposition"

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/23/fox-vp-opposition/

[droidamus2]

10. Maddow made good points

Another point is that when Cronkite and other news anchors journalists editorialize (or at least they used to) it was pretty obvious that they had gone from the news reporting segment of their broadcast to the editorial part of the broadcast. As I remember in some cases it was even noted on screen that the anchor or some other reporter was now going to make an editorial comment. Fox doesn't differentiate between when they are reporting news and when they are editorializing those concepts are so wedded together on Fox that everything becomes 'editorial content' with very little if any straight news coverage. To the point, as many have observed, that the stories they choose to cover as well as the way they are covered are first considered for how they fit the 'Fox agenda' rather than the worthiness as news stories in general.

[Piewhacket]

11. I'm not confident Rachel has fully nailed the difference.

These are differences.

NEWS
the selection, even biased selection, of stories to cover
presentation of news coupled with biased opinions commenting on the news
provide stories in opposition to the government

NOT NEWS
what a "news journalist" should not do is
report stories falsely or in reckless disregard of the facts
become a participant influencing the story


These latter things are the instrumentalities of propaganda, and when used
in political opposition in the manner of Faux, particularly in a coordinated
manner with an opposition political party, eventually cross the line into
BEING the opposition party.

[fasttense]

12. Fox promotes lies and falsehoods, how is that news?

The fact that the rest of those ignorant, indignant journalists stood up so Fox could continue to peddle lies, pretending to be news, shows just how stupid journalist have become.

If journalist themselves can't figure out that Fox is nothing but a fake, how is the average guy ever going to figure it out?

[Piewhacket]

21. yes, but it is very important to be precise about what we say is 'news journalism'

there are many ways to lie. the question is, what ways
are not 'news journalism'.

Rachel, smart as she is, doesn't quite put her finger on
on the problem.

Im nto smarter than her, but I think it is basically that Faux
has closely aligned itself and entrenched with the political
opposition PLUS they are using
propaganda techniques (Murdoch is doing the same in China for the
Chinese Government, btw) which include distortion and lying not
generally regarded as news journalism in this country (but is more
like 'news' under totalitarian regimes).

This is, indeed, subtle and sophisticated, as propaganda has become.
The ordinary person may still know it is a lie. Its a lie when
Faux and associates says it.

[rhett o rick]

29. I totally agree. Faux is totally dedicated to anti-Obama government propaganda. nt

[Blacksheep214]

13. When is it treason?

Where does free speech end and treason laws kick in.

When one has an international podium to spread misinformation and anti-american government propaganda there is a responsibility to be truthful, or be seen as a terrorist organization who also, wants to bring down our government.

I do not have to support those who would bring down our government!

Sgt USMC Vet

Fuck Fox!

[Fire1sKid]

16. Actually...

I agree because when it comes to faux news congress in my opinion is not taking advantage of its implied powers at all to use prior restraint on faux news. The standard of presumed reasonableness basically says government can restrict speech when necessary or when certain speech incites violence or criminal acts.

[Fire1sKid]

19. And lets not forget.....

The "gravity of the danger" standard which allows congress through the courts to put restrictions on speech if it's subject matter is sufficiently evil.This also coincides with the Smith Act,which makes it illegal to even go so far as to advocate overthrowing the government.

[spin]

14. Well done, wish the White House would get someone to say what she said...

It would be a lot more effective then what Obama's crew is saying right now.

I also note a lot of opinionated reporting on the Healthcare issue. Fox is pushing the idea that any form of competition to the insurance companies is socialism.

[democracy1st]

17. K & R

[TexasProgresive]

18. Since Faux viewers will not accept the truth then

how has Rachel "destroyed" Faux Snooze?

I think it is great but how many of their viewers catch Rachel's show.

[bikingaz]

27. Agreed. Rachel's audience is ~1/10th of the others

[Turborama]

28. It's on YouTube and the MSNBC website in perpetuity

The broadcast on TV might not have been seen by as many people as we'd like, but once it goes online it gets further out there for the whole world to see and discuss.

I had thought about adjusting it to "Destroys Faux's Lies" but left it as is.

[tomm2thumbs]

20. she makes it clear as a bell - and maybe the other networks will finally get it

and stop thinking they are all part of the same 'club' when one of the would-be-members keeps playing with no rules defiling their own group

[alittlelark]

22. The video is stuck in the 300 or so view YouTube dungeon

Quite a few good political videos get stuck there. Compare 'views on DU' to the overall #.

sigh.

[GreenTea]

24. Rachel Maddow is tremendous at exposing republicans hidden underbelly their lying propaganda machine

[bulloney]

25. Right Rachel! News organizations should only REPORT news, not CREATE it.

[DeSwiss]

26. K&R!!!

- Excellent as always Rachel. Faux isn't going to be allowed to weasel nor shout their way out of this one, this time I'm afraid. But they made this bed of nails, so now they must lie in it.

"Deep within the heart of every evangelist lies the wreck of a car salesman." ~ H. L. Mencken

[pnwmom]

30. What FAUX won't admit or doesn't understand is that there is a difference

between NEWS and PROPAGANDA.

They think that the two are the same, depending merely on your point of view -- if you agree, it's news, if you don't, it's propaganda.