Dean on Rachel Maddow with Alison.....don't throw millions to insurance companies.

[madfloridian]

Run time: 03:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6HD_ypjBwQ   Posted on YouTube: October 14, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: October 14, 2009 By DU Member: madfloridian Views on DU: 2489

 
Says from a process view, Schumer is right. Says though it is not a bill he would vote for. He calls today's bill that passed in the Finance committee "insurance reform", not health care reform. Says there is no cost control.

He says there is no regulation, and says we should not be throwing hundreds of millions of dollars to the insurance companies.

Says let more sign up for Medicare.

"Any bill" is not a victory. Senate should not decide if we get a choice, that we should decide.

Says insurance pours millions into congress. Says we got scared of the town hall meetings.

Unless something is up and running by 2010 all the Republican "myths" will be spreading around then to hurt us.

[StreetKnowledge]

1. I never get sick of Howard Dean.

Seriously. I haven't been able to disagree with the guy since the lame scream incident, and that was almost six years ago. :D

[defendandprotect]

18. Everyone --especially the young -- tried very hard to make him Pres....betrayed by DLC . . .

and a lack of defense against GOP "Swiftboating" --

[troubledamerican]

21. +1

[tomm2thumbs]

2. thanks for posting

glad he put it in perspective about the bigger picture

[bjobotts]

3. Snowe was told to vote so repubs could say see, you can get a bipartisan bill...water it down some m

[bjobotts]

4. Since no repubs are gonna vote for it anyway might as well make it single payer Medicare for all

[bjobotts]

5. It will be called the Dem's bill so make it a Dem's bill. Ignore repubs. Do it right

[saracat]

7. But that would take "courage" and the admission that

bipartisanship doesn't exist.

[saracat]

6. Yup. But his words earlier seemed to support it, though he said the

morality of the optout bothered him and recommended the Medicare extension to balance things out.I will not believe Howard likes this bill, or the opt out despite what is said.Something is not right.

[madfloridian]

11. You are right. He said he would support the opt out to get things moving.

I disagree very much with him on that.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

8. We must all make our voice heard on the bill so it can be watered down, but ...

respectfully so they don't feel harangued for the efforts of a few trying to get a bill out of a very conservative committee. I think it's all potentially positive from this point, but the Baucus bill has be watered down a lot when it's merged with the other bills.

Howard Dean is a complete genius it is pretty vital that there is a medicare buy in option so folks can see the reults of their efforts in 2010. the Public option will be in 2013 due to budgetory costs but buying into medicare shouldn't cost too much as it's a system already in place. That way you've got even more competition. It may not come to fruition, but it's worth a shot just don't be disappointed if it don't work out.

[tnlefty]

9. Howard! Howard! Howard!

Lapsed back into campaign rally mode there for a moment.:blush: Love ya Howard!

There it is again, the warning about 2010 and he's saying what Rep. Clyburn has been saying. Expand Medicare so that people can get some relief prior to 2010 or have democrats vulnerable in the mid-terms.

Thanks for posting this, madfloridian. I watched it last night, but I enjoyed watching it again. :hi:

edit: lousy typing fingers

[PassingFair]

10. I like the idea of Medicare access....

The kernel of what he has always said regarding
health care, is that a government option is NEEDED to
smash the price-setting collusion of the hospitals and pharma,
who won't lower prices unless they are FORCED TO.

Having a Medicare option would actually infuse
Medicare with money from younger, healthier people.
Millions of currently uninsured people paying $200
to $300 a month in premiums will ensure that a
public option (or Medicare for All) will have the
numbers and the dollars to make demands on the
industry.

I have to ask, though, why Blue Cross, operating
as a "non-profit" does not act as a regulator
for insurance prices......?

[Uncle Joe]

12. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[SandWalker1984]

13. Did the White House cut a deal already? Howard Fineman thinks so.

Let’s Make a Deal: Obama, Big Pharma, and you. (Minus you.)
by Howard Fineman
Oct 13, 2009

So it looks as though we are going to get a health-care-reform bill. Now the question is whether it will be reform, or "reform": whether it will improve the way we care for people in this country or, for the most part, be a taxpayer-funded boon to the warped and wasteful industry we already know. Call me naive or cynical—or both—but I can't quite get my mind around the notion that the way to bring "change we can believe in" is to cut an upfront deal with Billy Tauzin.

-snip-

Barack Obama ran on the claim that he would be the new sheriff in town, that he and his posse of fresh-faced Rhodes Scholars would tame the capital's ruling class. But the first thing that he and his tacticians, Rahm Emanuel and Jim Messina, did on health care was to strike a bargain with Tauzin. Big Pharma, it was agreed last June, would kick in $80 billion over 10 years to help shrink the "donut hole" in seniors' Medicare prescription-drug coverage and would spend $150 million on a pro-reform ad campaign. In exchange, the White House would oppose congressional attempts to extract more, and would specifically fight two common-sense, long-overdue reforms that Big Pharma fears most: allowing imports of cheaper drugs and empowering Medicare to negotiate directly with the industry to keep prices down, as the VA long has done. The administration has similar understandings with other stakeholders, such as the hospital and doctors' groups—and still hopes to engineer one with the health insurers.

-snip-

As the drugmakers, hospitals, and doctors have come aboard, the pressure has increased on the health insurers to do so—even though they have yet to get what they want: a flat-out guarantee from the president that there will be no "public option" insurance alternative in the bill.



Please read the rest of the article at http://www.newsweek.com/id/217458, especially the parts about mandated customers for the insurance companies and what happened to Sen Bill Nelson when he wanted to introduce 2 amendments to the Baucus bill that would have benefited Medicare at the expensive of the insurance industry. As the White House aid supposedly told Nelson, a deal is a deal.

Too bad we the American people weren't included in the bargaining of their "real" deal.

[madfloridian]

14. I think it's a done deal.

In slinkerwink's post today at Daily Kos, turns out Rahm is warning off unions, still talking about the trigger to make Snowe happy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/14/793048/-Rahm-Emanuel-Talks-About-Senator-Snowes-Trigger!

I think they will be coming out telling the "left" to back off.

[midnight]

15. The Dr. has the solution. Medicare for all...

[midnight]

16. Naturally the Republicans can support the insurance co. and pay

their price gouging premiums.

[defendandprotect]

17. And I "say" we should listen to Howard Dean . . . Who's calling Dems out to demonstrate????

One of the last things the DLC and Baucus want is Democrats - liberals/progressives --

anyone who needs health care -- out demonstrating for MEDICARE FOR ALL ... !!!

Where are unions to call us out?

Where women's groups?

What's going on ???

Nothing!!!

We could overwhelm this thing and walk away with what we want . . .

what are we doing???

[defendandprotect]

19. Where are the MEDICARE FOR ALL buttons? All Dems should be wearing them . . .!!!

We should ALL be wearing them !!

[bvar22]

20. "Needs to be UP and Running by 2010....

...the EASIEST way to do that is to let some under 65 BUY into Medicare!"

NOW, thats reform I can get excited about!

K&R