SOME UFOS ARE EXTRATERRESTRIAL!!! CONFIRMED BY CANADIAN'S EX MINISTER of DEFENCE

[lovuian]

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Thought this was interesting
the speaker
First elected as a Liberal in 1949 federal election in the riding of Davenport, he was the youngest person ever elected to that point in the Canadian House of Commons. He served a brief stint as Parliamentary Assistant to the Minister of National Defence, and made a good impression. He was then named Associate Minister of National Defence in the cabinet of Prime Minister Louis Saint-Laurent. This post was short-lived, though, as Hellyer lost his seat when the Saint-Laurent government lost the 1957 election a few months later.

Hellyer returned to parliament in a 1958 by-election in the neighbouring riding of Trinity, and became an effective opposition critic of the John Diefenbaker's Progressive Conservative government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Hellyer

[HeresyLives]

1. He's 86.

And hasn't been minister of defence since the 60s.

Jes sayin'.

[lovuian]

2. at 86 what does he have to lose

No One is going to threaten to kill him
its a bit too late and they have nothing to fear from him

but is he telling the TRUTH
about a government within our government that is not controlled by the President
the example of Air Force one flying over New York and Obama was not aware of

[HeresyLives]

4. Cough. If you say so. Cough.

[CoffeeCat]

5. I'm guessing that if there is a government...

...within our government--that right now--the chasm between the shadow government and the Presidency--is the widest it's ever been.

I don't think the overlords anticipated an Obama win.

It was supposed to be Hillary for the Dems or McCain for the Republicans.

BTW--Did Obama say he had no idea AF1 was flying over NYC? And this was supposedly for a photo shoot, correct? Gads.

[midnight]

10. That plane mistep was a tip off that someone else was running the show.

[Butch350]

45. Those great OverLords...

don't you think they would have the power and control to put who ever they wanted in the WH?

[Amonester]

81. They had that "power" in 2000 and 2004...

But since everything their puppet(s) and their cronies did screwed up so much, they lost their grab a bit in 2006 and 2008.

Now they're working overtime, paying for enough lies and distortions on enough corrupt media types in order to grab it back as soon as 2010...

It's so obvious.

[defendandprotect]

102. In large part, "yes" but many presidents have also spoken about the

hidden powers which usurp Presidential power --

After '47, of course, it worsened -- because the concentration of power in fewer

hands increased -- along with the secrecy needed to keep the knowledge hidden.

When Columbus got here one of the first things the native American asked about was

these visitors "from the stars." Columbus denied any knowledge of it.


Someone I think rather wise says that all of the leaders we are given now are hand-picked...

Certainly they had to come out into the open to steal the 2000 election -- and 2004.

If they weren't going to be able to steal 2008 .... then they'd do the next best thing.

[jberryhill]

15. His Grip On Reality? /nt

[Fedja]

72. I agree

I just had a sandwich and then I filed a report. My company manager was not aware of any of that. I wonder who truly runs my company.

[dbmk]

75. If my boss ever finds out I made this post...

..he will realise that someone else is pulling the strings.

MUHAHA!

[defendandprotect]

103. And do you think that's what Pres. Carter and Pres. Clinton thought when they were denied . . .

access to info on UFO's . .

Poppy Bush was head of the CIA and told Carter he didn't have a "need to know" --

and obviously didn't have high enough clearance -- In other words, UFO info has a

higher classification than atomic weapons!

[Butch350]

43. Why would an 80 something guy with nothing to gain lie?

Jes askin'.

[dbmk]

76. There is lying..

..and there is old, senile and batshit crazy.

It is not lying if you think its true. Does not mean it is.

[defendandprotect]

104. Obviously, the world would look at this man and think he's "batshit crazy" . . .

Nor, I presume, have you noticed anything wrong in America -- any hidden power?

Or any controversy about UFO's/Roswell . . . or that those who try to tell you

the truth include notables, pilots -- commercial and military -- astronauts --

former Pres. Reagan -- Pres. Carter?

:eyes:

[Uncle Joe]

121. He seemed very alert and aware, I didn't notice any stuttering or forgetfulness

along the lines of Reagen.

I don't believe his age to be an adverse affect to his belief.

[CoffeeCat]

3. If there are aliens...

...with superior technology and planet-saving information and inventions--I would hope to God that their
first stop wouldn't be the U.S. Capitol or any other government building.

I would assume that intelligent creatures would find the true leaders of our planet--the decent, sane folks--and avoid
the corporatist psychopaths that have bullied and bought their way into power.

They should have sat down with Sagan! :-)

[onehandle]

6. That's part of my argument against extraterrestrials even having come here.

Given the immense level of resources, energy and technology it would take to get here, why wouldn't they either help us or consume our own resources.

Coming here and doing nothing would be a great waste.

There must be somebody out there in the vastness of the universe, but they ain't never been here.

[Sailing]

11. Maybe they are scientists

Researching and documenting how lesser intelligent civilizations exterminate themselves.

[CoffeeCat]

13. Yeah, but...

...you're thinking like an earthling.

Maybe, where these beings live--they have limitless resources. Or their technology is so advanced
that it takes them very little energy to do things that would take us an exorbitant amount of energy.

Maybe their ships run on plentiful chemicals or maybe they've figured out ways of travel that shorten travel time.
They could travel a million light years on a tablespoon of lemonade--for all we know.

[zeemike]

31. Or zero point energy

Which is basically nothing.
And this has been seriously speculated on for years now.

[and-justice-for-all]

17. I would have to say that some UFOs are in fact UFOs...

simply because we CAN NOT determine what exactly "it" was.

I wish I could say that ET has never been here, but I cant. Seeing just how recent the Human Animal has shown up on this planet versus the duration for which the Planet has been habitable, as well as the age of the universe, I do not think one can say that NO ET has ever been here.

One does not stop at every town on their way to a destination, so why would an ET need to land here, when they can simply take a drive by survey and mark it down and move along. Perhaps to come back to it later. It is also within reason that they too are surveying the sky in search of extrasolar planets are we are, but I would guess that is the care for some intelligent life and not all. Some life is going to be much older then us, if they have not killed them selves with technology or suffered a mass extinction. While others will be much younger then us. I, for one, can not at all believe that there is not other intelligent life in the universe; I would be willing to bet also that the Milky Way has more then one resident of intelligent life. The other side of the Milky Way is 200,000AU away, it is hard telling what is over there.

We our selves are a very young species, a way to put it perspective: The last run for the Dinosaurs can be measured on a map of the US; from Los Angles to New York would represent their duration of existence and our time on the same map; would be from New York City to Manhattan Island.


It also possible that they would do the same thing that we do, send out robotic probes because they can not move through space anymore then we can.

If they do travel the stars, when they get here I am sure they will let us know. I do not see any reason for some one that can travel space not to make themselves know to us, I would not travel to another state and not talk to at least one person; so why travel space and not make direct contact with the locals? Surely, some one out there have made the leap and can travel space, if not in our Milky way, most likely in another Galaxy like Andromeda or any other stable Galaxy.

Sorry about the rambling, I have rather strong feelings about the existence of other intelligent life in the universe. I am sure that sounds corny, but if we were alone, that is an awful lot of wasted space.

[defendandprotect]

107. Agree . . . but the theory is more like we are hybrids . . . subjects of

genetic engineering and that these "visitors" -- evidently some of the 300 different

alien species -- had something to do with it. Interestingly, the Vatican is not in

denial of aliens as "creators." Very unusual responses from them on this stuff.

Evidently, they have vast records which the US doesn't seem to want them to release!

I think they have tried to let us know -- but one of their main concerns seems to be

our use of atomic weapons -- nuclear fuel for spaceships -- our contamination of the

outer atmosphere. Actually, the US exploded nuclear weapons in space in the 1960's

trying to knock out the Van Allen Radiation Belts!!!

Keep at it -- we all should!!

[zeemike]

24. That assumes that it does take immense resources to get here

We are limited by our lack of knowledge but they may not be.
Just think how far we have come in the last hundred years....now imagine a civilization that has developed for thousands of years.

[Lorien]

40. And there you have it

Trans continental flights, cell phones, computers, the internet...all seemed impossible 150 years ago, which isn't so long ago. Our knowledge of the universe and science is still only an infant's knowledge. We've barely scratched the surface. To proclaim that any of us know how or why extraterrestrials may have come here is not only extremely arrogant, but it's also incredibly naive.

[defendandprotect]

108. And, we've picked up a lot of information from Roswell . . .

obviously -- things which changed our lives here -- from fiber optics to computers.

Some suggest that the aliens may have given us a gift of the crashed spaceship at Roswell!

Others hear that the Germans had one pre-WWII.

These aliens may be a million years more advanced than we are -- or more.

Bob Dean says that we are at the edge of the universe and that we are to be introduced at

some point and kinda rounded up with the rest of it!

[Fedja]

73. You stand over an ant mound

You neither tear it down, nor do you help them build. They're simply insignificant to you.

Not taking a side in the alien argument, but I'm pretty sure that if there are aliens who have seen us up close, we're insignificant to them.

[defendandprotect]

109. They may be our ancestors . . .

we may have been the subject of genetic engineering hundreds of thousands of years ago!

[defendandprotect]

106. The idea is that they've been coming here for probably 400,000 years . . .

we seem to be a hybrid species -- Mother Nature would have had to have been

suicidal to create us!

These aliens may be as much as a million years more advanced than we are --

maybe a billion?

If you understand anything about the speed of the space ships, travel isn't done

the way you are thinking about it -- think "a wrinkle in time" -- think time travel.

We've had as many as 1,500 people a year claiming to have been abducted every year

since the 1960's. Either that's a lot of people hallucinating -- as some seem to want to

think about this speech -- or there is something going on. There's also a video made

after the DC flap of flying saucers where a military figure makes a brief statement

to the public that "yes" they are alien ships, but they are not harmful to us.

[goforit]

9. This is a Disney Cinderella view. Decent/sane folk???Always whimp out

[zeemike]

22. Have you seen the movie The Day The Earth Stood Still?

Made in the 50s
But Klatu the alien tried that and was shot...then he turned to the scientific community.

[defendandprotect]

110. That's a fantastic movie . . . and brought out quite soon after the UFO flap in DC . . .

and there's a video around -- I've seen it -- where a military figure right after the

flap is telling Americans in a statement that these are spaceships but that they are

not harmful to us.

[zeemike]

133. That would be interesting to see...if you find it let me know.

I saw the movie as a kid and it was a big hit in my small home town....a few years later we had a UFO flap over Montana....they were seen and tracked from Washington state and I can remember the jets buzzing over our town and how concerned people were....I think later they said it was a meteor.

[defendandprotect]

135. I've only seen it recently here at DU, as well --

but at some point I'll look for it at YouTube . . . I would have probably "faved" it --

There seem to be sightings all the time -- but very little reporting on it.



:)

Here's one which is interesting with some info on the DC flap . . . however this is NOT
the military figure I am talking about -- see it at roughly 1:50

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EbU6xdxKk

Here's another, only interesting to see the newspaper reports, etal --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL0JQ94ItaU&feature=related

So ..... so far, not in my favs at YT . . . and couldn't find it in a search at YT, but
only spent a few minutes on that.

You might try here at DU . . . ??
I have absolutely no clue on how to use their archives!!!

I will also check my own personal "faves" ...

If I find anything on it, I'll be back --


PS: Can't find anything on it . . . but amazingly enough guess who has the ORIGINAL,

supposedly? And, this isn't a joke! Shirley MacLaine!

[zeemike]

138. Shirley Mclane?....how interesting.

I have been looking on YT myself but there is so much to wade through it takes too much time.
But If I find it I will post it to you.
And that General in those clips is the same one who made the Roswell claim that it was a weather balloon if I remember correctly.

[defendandprotect]

139. If you mean the original guy in the photos with ....

oh, what's his name . . . the father of the man who is a doctor now and continues

on with trying to get info out re Roswell. He was a young boy when his Dad -- who

was in intelligence -- brought some of the debris he had gathered up home for the

family to see. Anyway, the guy in the photo who did that -- he has a TELEGRAM in

his hand is different from the guy in the film I linked to.

Yet again -- the military official in the film who acknowledged it and said not

a danger to us was someone else.

Shirley MacLaine -- you probably know -- is very spiritual in a non-organized way --

has written a couple of books noting personal paranormal experiences -- and reason

I knew about the film was that she mentioned this on a Larry King LIVE show.

I don't watch him, but about once a year he does a show on UFO/ETS. And I just

happened to catch that one!

:)

[zeemike]

140. I knew about Shirley McLean's spiritualism.

And i guess i can see her interest in it.
i wish i still had it but I had a video tape of the "Alien Autopsy" that was going around back a few years ago, but on it was something more interesting than that...it was a few clips of debris from the Roswell crash showing a military man holding a beam with hieroglyphs on it and the broken end was not a smooth break like you would see in metal but had fibrous protrusions from it....and I tough instantly of fiber optics.

[defendandprotect]

141. I have that ...

autopsy film . . but it's on DVD and just went looking for it and no idea where it is.
Think I packed up DVD's we don't look at any longer and packed them in a box.
But it's the one that Santelli/??? brought out -- said an old military guy had it --
photographer for military -- and he was working on the films and never returned this
particular one. If I ever find it again, I'll look for the part you're talking about.

Used to be a lot of good shows on UFO stuff but with the coming of the right wing it
always disappears.

I think the name of the military guy in the photo with the "balloon" parts is Ramsey?
Still can't think of the name of the man and his father who brought forth a lot of
this Roswell info.

Did you ever read "The Day After Roswell" by Lt. Col. Philip Corso?
Btw, that the original HC copy had a foreword by Sen. Strom Thurmond who was testifying
to the reality of aliens -- tho I can't recall if he said he had personally seen them
or not -- but was citing them as "enemy." I have the p/b copy of the book -- without
the foreword by Strom. In fact, later on his office said he had been misled re the book
and denied what he had said!

Somewhere I have an interesting interview with him -- just text.
If I can find that I'll send the link to you.

Meanwhile -- see ya in 9/11?

:evilgrin:


I at least found the interview . . . and this info wasn't in his book as I recall/??

PC: I think that we will know. Where we were missing out on a lot of this was in the propulsion and guidance systems. We came to the conclusion years ago, and now it's starting to take hold even among scientists, that the reason we missed out on this was that the extraterrestrial himself was the guidance system. He was part of the system. We never figured on that.

The interview begins way a little short of half way down.

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/corso.html

[Kaleko]

142. Intelligence officer Major Jesse Marcel reportedly

took home some debris from the crashed spacecraft in Roswell and showed it to his wife and son. Among the artifacts was an extremely light-weight "i-beam" with hieroglyphs. There is no photograph of the i-beam in the public domain, only a drawing made by Dr. Jesse Marcel Junior.





Here's the wiki with a bunch of links, including one to the Marcel interview conducted by physicist Stanton Friedman:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witness_accounts_of_the_Roswell_UFO_incident

[defendandprotect]

143. Yes ... Thank you !!!

OOPS . . . SORRY, KALEKO . . . JUST NOTICED you're not the original poster I was

speaking with -- but thank you for the names --
:)



and I'll try to catch up with your link tomorrow --

--------------------------- I'm copy this cause it was intended for zeemike ...

but I'm leaving it in case you're interested ...



but very observant of you to have noticed the frayed end --


Meanwhile, I just noticed this about the Corso interview . . .

PC: Man can't travel in space today. Those clones were created to travel in space, specifically. They can travel in space. Our muscles, our bones, our brain, can't take space travel, even today. We can't do it.

ML: We can do it to some extent.

PC: Well, when they go to Mir, they stay up there two or three months, and when they come off, they have to be carried off. Their bones won't hold up. If they stayed a little longer, they'll never be able to walk. But the big thing that is not talked about is the brain is affected up there.

ML: How is that?

PC: Gravity, radiation -- it comes right through that ship. Look at Senator Glenn, he saw "fireflies" coming through his capsule. They weren't fireflies, they were some kind of electromagnetic thing that came through there. Those beings are created specifically to travel in space.

Which pretty much confirms no moon landing!!

:)


Also the picture of the "alien" at the top of the interview page is from the DVD that I have.

There are other alien autopsy films out there -- think they're making some just to confuse

the public -- but THIS is the alien from the one that Santelli got from the military cameraman.

Night --

:)

[defendandprotect]

144. Jesse Marcel . . .

Kaleko provided the names -- but I didn't notice it wasn't you until after

I had posted this to her!

----------------------


but very observant of you to have noticed the frayed end --


Meanwhile, I just noticed this about the Corso interview . . .

PC: Man can't travel in space today. Those clones were created to travel in space, specifically. They can travel in space. Our muscles, our bones, our brain, can't take space travel, even today. We can't do it.

ML: We can do it to some extent.

PC: Well, when they go to Mir, they stay up there two or three months, and when they come off, they have to be carried off. Their bones won't hold up. If they stayed a little longer, they'll never be able to walk. But the big thing that is not talked about is the brain is affected up there.

ML: How is that?

PC: Gravity, radiation -- it comes right through that ship. Look at Senator Glenn, he saw "fireflies" coming through his capsule. They weren't fireflies, they were some kind of electromagnetic thing that came through there. Those beings are created specifically to travel in space.

Which pretty much confirms no moon landing!!

:)


Also the picture of the "alien" at the top of the interview page is from the DVD that I have.

There are other alien autopsy films out there -- think they're making some just to confuse

the public -- but THIS is the alien from the one that Santelli got from the military cameraman.

Night --

:)

[defendandprotect]

105. Carl Sagan was denying it --

There's a lot of CIA money -- and pressure -- involved with notables/scientists --
even with Colin Andrews who began to study crop circles -- offered him a $1 million
telling him that sooner or later he would have to come to their side -- willingly or
unwillingly!

It's also a question as to how many "accidents" have brought down flying saucers.
They say that Germany had one, pre-WWII. Some even suggest that the aliens made us a
gift of the Roswell UFO. Or, there may have been storm/lightning which brought down the
UFO at Roswell. Evidently, we have captured more than this one.

As for aliens -- at the time I was thinking of two or three difference species, evidently
the astronauts were referring to the "87 Heinz Varieties" --- and since then I've heard
we're talking about 300 species or more!

Also, evidently, we've learned only fairly recently in trying to duplicate the UFO, that
the pilot is part of the control -- an integral part of the space ship.

And, still I think there is a question as to whether the grays are anything more than
specially created life for this purpose.

Like many other things -- Global Warming, Ozone Hole, Wars -- those who have had the
knowledge and control over the information have kept secrets in their own interests.

OTOH, they seem to be letting out enough information so that the shock to the American public
re UFO's -- should it have to be revealed -- would be tempered somewhat by some prior knowledge,
at least. Remember, since the mid-1960's, we've had something like 1500 people a year claiming
to have been abducted!

Still, I think it will be a shock to the American public because so many still trust that a
"people's" government exists despite all signs to the contrary!

And -- Global Warming is an unnecessary catastrophe based on the greed of those who control
our natural resources.

[goforit]

7. Anybody listenning?Our planet is falling apart at the hands of a few.

UFOs exist, and are alive and well.
I honestly don't think man can do the most simplist of things.

USA paranoia is suicidal for ALL humans.

[mikelewis]

95. Perhaps man coherent not being at times the most.

Difficult to understand, like a puddle or spilled salt, my mind is reeling from dissonance cognitive. Crazy, like. You know.

[defendandprotect]

111. Violence, greed, paranoia . . capitalism . . .patriarchy . . .suicidal . . .

Will America ever figure that out?

[midnight]

8. lovuian this is very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

[lovuian]

12. take out the UFO thing and listen to him talk about

the government within our government

that our President is not aware of whats going on

[CoffeeCat]

16. I totally believe that...

...Bush would have no clue.

The man doesn't notice anything unless it affect him directly.

However, I think if this is the reality--Obama knows.

And to some extent, if this "government within a government" theory is true--they would have to communicate at some point.

Maybe the communication would be as simple as, "Listen Mack...you were just elected President, but we're here to tell you
that means jack baloney. You do your thing...sign some bills, make some speeches, vacation at Camp David--but we run the
show and we'll call you when we need you to do or say something. Got it?"

[midnight]

30. That is a wow moment. But something that I've read here at D.U.

referring to a secret govt. as a tinfoil moment.

[defendandprotect]

112. Quite a few things in that speech many would like to go away . ..

[Indenturedebtor]

14. Well that made about ZERO sense... n/t

[JanusAscending]

19. Only to small minds.....

and those with NO imagination!!

[Indenturedebtor]

28. Wow hostile much?

I've seen "The Day The Earth Stood Still"... was I supposed to fill in the blanks with that where there were gaps in his explanation?

[JanusAscending]

39. No, only to those with small minds.

I have no patience with stupidity, be it right wing or left wing. OK? If you can't touch it, see it, feel it, taste it....it just doesn't exist, right? Save me your indignation of my "hostility".

[Indenturedebtor]

101. I don't give two shits about your patience or your approval

You're hostile and you might also be stupid, but it's impossible to tell when the only thing in your posts is hostility and arrogance.

As I alluded to above the speech left too many gaps, and amounted to only passingly supported and loosely strung together assertions about "UFO's", a "Shadow Government", and some other Sci-Fi channel tripe.

Earth shattering "revelations" about man's contact with extraterrestrials and world-order shouldn't be scrawled on the back of a cocktail napkin, or fired from the hip in a poorly organized rant that requires the listener to make pop-culture based assumptions to fill in the blanks. Which is why I say that this speech made about ZERO sense. And your douchebaggery doesn't change that...

[defendandprotect]

113. I'm sure the entire audience felt that way . . .

:eyes:

[chknltl]

18. I agree with midnight, post #8 Interesting video, thanks. eom

[lovuian]

20. Did Clinton really say that about the government within

the government?

I never heard that before

anybody got a source on that?

[JanusAscending]

25. Where have you been hiding since the "selection" in 2000???

The "shadow govt." has been discussed here on DU regularly as most of us know. Why would Bill Clinton admit that??? Hmmm, I wonder. Could it be that it's true??? Just sayin'.

[Kaleko]

50. Here is an article about the Clinton's attempts to find out about alien visitors.

The source is not the best one can find, but it confirms some parts of what Dr. Steven Greer has also disclosed about both Clinton's efforts in various articles and speeches.

http://www.examiner.com/x-2383-Honolulu-Exopolitics-Examiner~y2009m1d24-Hillary-Clinton-favors-diplomatic-response-to-extraterrestrial-life

Hillary Clinton favors diplomatic response to extraterrestrial life

January 24, 2009
by Michael Salla, Ph.D.

Newly confirmed Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton has long had an interest in UFOs and the existence of extraterrestrial life. She was given an informal briefing in August 1995 by billionaire philanthropist Laurence Rockefeller, on the best available UFO evidence. An August 4, 1995, memo by President Clinton’s Science Advisor, Dr Jack Gibbons, confirmed that the Clintons would be vacationing with Rockefeller at his Teton Ranch in Wyoming that summer, and they would discuss UFOs:

You will probably see Mr Rockefeller on your vacation in the Tetons. He will want to talk with you about his interest in extrasensory perception, paranormal phenomenon, and UFOs.

In the memo, Gibbons then attempted to dissuade the Clintons from pursuing Rockefeller’s agenda to disclose national security files concerning UFOs:

He knows that we are trying to be helpful in responding to his concerns about UFO’s and human potential … but I’ve made no secret about my conviction that we must not be too diverted from more earthly imperatives.

Both Clintons were involved in numerous attempts to force the release of national security files concerning UFOs. According to Grant Cameron, founder of the Presidential UFO website, the “Clintons tried to get UFO documents released as part of President Clinton’s 1995 Executive Order 12958.” Executive Order 12958, was similar to President Obama’s recent January 21, Presidential Memo on “Transparency and Open Government, where he instructed government agencies and departments to relax rules governing the release of national security files.

Cameron has made numerous FOIA requests on Clinton administration files and found “that there are literally thousands of pages of UFO files.” He concluded that this is “clear evidence of an administration that was active but unsuccessful on the UFO front.”

[lovuian]

99. well at least the Clintons TRIED thanks for the article

and it looks like Obama is trying too

What the heck is this

more evidence that there is a government within the government and it pertains to UFOS

the world is getting more and more out spoken on this matter

[defendandprotect]

115. Other nations have also tried to release info -- Russia, for one . . .

US seemingly immediately discouraged it -- !!!

Vatican has much info on UFO's and rumors are they wanted to release it --

I'm not sure if the Vatican controls the Vatican, or the Jesuits, or Opus Dei --

or maybe even the CIA, but it's obviously at war at times with itself --

but officially they've made it known that they have no problems with "aliens" as

creators!

[defendandprotect]

114. One of the stories I've heard is that the first day in office, Pres. Clinton . . .

instructed at least two aides to find info on UFO's and JFK assassination --

I think one was Vince Foster -- who, of course, we know met an untimely death.

The other, as I recall it was Hubbard???? The guy who was sent to prison for a few years!?

Big -- heavy guy -- close to Clinton -- from Ark, I believe.

[JanusAscending]

21. Other than the secret Govt., which most of us are aware of...

the most important thing I gleaned from this speech was......America evidently has our own flying saucers that could provide for a FAKE "invasion". Would would be their DIABOLICAL purpose for this????, other than to scare us into submission, or a Third world war....say against Iran, ala Dick Cheney and "the family" ?????????? and no I don't have on my tinfoil hat!!!

[mcollier]

23. Totally Bogus ( without verifiable facts )

First of all, "Flying Saucer" is a term, when used reduces the speaker to an un-informed speculator.

Second, Why is it that the USA seem to have exclusive lines of communication with ET Beings?

Third, it would help if the speaker had any evidence of what he spoke about.

That being said... I sure would like to see some film on what's happening on Mars....

[lovuian]

27. Paul Hellyer Canadian's ex MINISTER of DEFENSE

fact he had access to all military reports

involving Canada's defense

correct?

[leveymg]

77. It is possible that Hellyer knows something we don't.

He doesn't come across as a loopy lunatic with a mission. There have been enough sightings by responsible people backed up with documented technical evidence - multiple pilot observations, attempted intercepts, and radar data - that I can accept the possibility that there is something out there.

This gentleman takes this some steps further by informing us that mankind was contacted "decades ago" and warned about our self-destructive activities and inclinations. I would assume that he's talking about our nuclear and biological weapons, fossil fuels, petrochemicals, global warming, and such. I think it's plausible that the political and military leadership would have responded in a manner bordering on hostility to such a message, as those technologies were viewed as sacrosanct and essential to national security and industrial society at the time. Today, I think we're more ready to accept the necessity of developing alternatives.

He does say that the U.S. has been developing some sort of reverse engineered ET technology and is building our own militarized version of flying saucers, and I picked up on his assertion that has been done with the help of a renegade or rival group of ETs. I am not entirely convinced about that, and this is theme of a lot of contemporary mass Science Fiction, such as the Stargate series and Blue-Gray theorizing. Anyway, it seems strange to me that if the ETs are to us what we are to ants, that anyone would help the ants build miniature Space Shuttles - if, you get my analogy. Maybe, umm, but there some things I don't claim to understand.

Interesting. Definitely, interesting.

[JanusAscending]

33. They are much more into communication with the UK!!

It won't be too much longer (I hope) before you naysayers eat your words. Someone has to be sane, and intelligent enough to save our planet. It SURELY can't be left up to us earthlings. We can't even get along with each other because some of us are DIFFERENT !!!

[defendandprotect]

117. I think we could all get along just fine, if those who want control over others .. .

would stop dividing us for their own benefit!!!

[defendandprotect]

116. To the contrary, all nations have these experiences with UFOs. . .

and abductions which seem to have begun in the 1960's...

Germany supposedly had a UFO pre-WWII --

This has always gone on . . . when Columbus first arrived here one of the

first questions the Native Americans asked about was the "visitors from the stars" --


Information is power -- this is about a hierarchy controlling this information and

pretty much all important information.

[Juche]

26. Interesting story

Don't know how much I believe of it, but it is interesting.

And being a powerful government official doesn't automatically make you credible. Vitter and Craig come to mind. Ramsey Clark, the ex-attorney general once said that Slobodan Milošević and Saddam Hussein were "both commanders who were courageous enough to fight more powerful countries." Being a high ranking politician does not automatically make you credible.

Anyway, if the aliens did want to help us, why not give technology to avoid environmental catastrophe to one of the 192 countries on earth? At least one of them would've been happy to have it, and to sell it on the international market place.

[lovuian]

29. I agree politicians lie and give out misinformation

you would think at 86
He would go fishing or something

He is more credible to me because he talks about stopping the futile wars in Iraq and Afghanistan
is that why he sounds crazy

or is it his worry about the planet turning into a wasteland

or is it that the US military is super paranoid

what is it that makes him sound crazy

UFOS that it isn't it

[Juche]

35. I'm not opposed to UFOs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-mWaJ3AgZs

That is a good video. A patient claims to have been abducted, and a doctor removes a small object from his jaw. The object is made of minerals that are not found on earth and when sent out for analytical testing the companies thought it was a part of a meteor because of this. It was attached to his nerve endings in his jaw, and appeared to have communication with his nerves. They don't know how it got in his jaw as there was no incision line or immune reaction to it. It wasn't naturally occurring either.


Stuff like that is interesting because it is actual evidence. What the ex defense minister was doing was just telling a story.

[defendandprotect]

118. What he was telling you was based on his knowledge and experience in government . . .

Also interesting about the implants -- evidently one of the reasons the immunity doesn't

kick in is that the implant is growing a cover made from the DNA of the recipient!

[Canuckistanian]

32. Boy, that room got quiet all of a sudden

Paul Hellyer isn't known as a nutcase in Canada. He was a very well respected cabinet minister.

I wonder what possessed him to say such things? Senile dementia?

[midnight]

34. Maybe transparency, and responsibility and the fact that the world

does not begin and end with us. Just read up on string theory. It will get your mind moving in a different direction.

[lovuian]

36. He didn't sound crazy to me ? He did say Iraq was a futile war

did that sound crazy? He said Afghanistan is a futile war. Did that make him sound crazy?

He talked about US Military Paranoia?
Does that sound crazy?

He talked about Clinton's admission of a government within the government of which the President is not in control.

Clinton said it
Is he crazy?

[JanusAscending]

38. Having said what you just did,

I hope you were being sarcastic. Isn't it at all possible that he feels it's time for the world to know the truth? Maybe like a deathbed confession? He ain't getting any younger. As an elder myself, I know it gets easier to be brave when you know your time here is limited, no??? I sensed no senility in him at all. I know what senility is. I've lived with it for over 11 yrs. before my Mother died. (Alzheimer's)

[defendandprotect]

119. How about sanity . . . rather foreign sounding to us these days . . .???!!!

and concern for the planet and humanity ???

[OmahaGTP]

37. Just speaking in generic terms -

Consider how old the universe is, how old Earth is, and how long we as humans have been around.

Imagine how minuscule a million years is in that time frame above.

Imagine for a second if humans had developed a million years earlier.

Consider how much we as a species have progressed in the last 300 years.

Imagine another species got a jump on us by 1 million.

If you are to accept that life can arise somewhere else in the entire universe, this is not at all out of the realm of possibility.

[lovuian]

41. He talks about the futility of Nuclear War

that really makes him crazy

and he talks about the reports he read of planes lost in action do to hitting the saucer's high frequency shield
our planes disintegrated

[defendandprotect]

120. The right wing seems to have propagandistic powers to make insanity ....

seem acceptable and mainstream.

Now, when we hear true sanity spoken as in this case, some think it strange and odd!!!

:evilgrin:

Our nation is being run by those who desire control over others -- information is power --

and they're not anxious to share it.

Interesting about the field around the UFO --

In some cases, however, evidently it's not dangerous -- in Pres. Reagan's experience the

UFO that followed his plane was present for 40 minutes or more. Some of them fly very

close to military or commercial jets.

Of course -- we definitely do have people in the military who are truly paranoid!

[windoe]

42. K & R X 1000000000!

Can you imagine having unlimited funds for at least 50 years, with no oversight, and access to the highest technology, the best surveillance, and global access? Even without ETs, they have had time to develop immense projects, and have a vested interest in remaining secret. Sounds like science fiction, but it is not.

People love to laugh at this, make jokes about it, which is fun and enabled by the mainstream, but we ignore this subject at our own peril. The technology they have I have experienced, and the only book that made sense to explain my experience was Dr Steven Greer's one HIdden Truth Forbidden Knowledge. I fully expect to be laughed at, but I know some people here are not laughing. I was terrified.

[lovuian]

100. its terrifying when you think about it

no checks and balances

[Tx4obama]

44. I've seen them...

I know most people will probably think I'm nuts, but I'm not.

In March of 1997 I was staying with friends at a beach front beach house in Galveston, Texas and in the middle of the night some time after midnight and before dawn (I really don't remember what time it was) I saw bizarre objects/lights in the sky. It was really freaky and I woke other people up in the house to look and no one knew what on earth they were. It freaked me out more than everyone else because I stayed had stayed out on the deck looking at the objects/lights for several hours before and after they other folks came out to look. The next day I called the local police station office to ask what was going on and I was transferred 'three times' until some man told me that it was 'nothing - and that it was just a weather balloon'.

A couple of years ago I came upon some videos on YouTube of the Phoenix Lights -- and in the videos it showed the same thing that I saw those many years ago in Galveston, Texas

here's some examples of the Phoenix Lights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg6cGCAB2Ck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Y5RjhOThM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sONgzwxomLQ

Are they ETs or are the something from our government? Who knows. But those lights ARE something. I saw them. And no one seems to ever mention the lights that were in Galveston in 1997.
Also, a couple of years ago when I first saw the videos on YouTube of the Phoenix Lights I searched for UFO info regarding Galveston, Texas and someone had a website up regarding Galveston. I replied with the info I had and never received a response, the a couple of months later the website vanished.

All I can say is that the whole situation is really freaky.

[Kaleko]

71. Former Arizona Governor Fife Symington (R) admits to seeing the Phoenix Lights

and tells CNN he thinks they were ET spacecraft.

Check it out:

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/759761/3273347

[Name removed]

78. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Kaleko]

80. Very interesting.

Thanks for contributing another piece to this giant puzzle, Mark.

I'm guessing you must be very familiar with Colonel Philip Corso and the implications of the confessions he made in his book The Day After Roswell.

For those who are not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_J._Corso


Corso relates in his book The Day After Roswell (co-author William J. Birnes) how he stewarded extraterrestrial artifacts recovered from a crash at Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.

According to Corso, the reverse engineering of these artifacts indirectly led to the development of accelerated particle beam devices, fiber optics, lasers, integrated circuit chips and Kevlar material.

Here's an example of how one of our propaganda organs treated Corso's disclosures:

Dateline Interview with Colonel Philip Corso - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d7OXTnyyQQ&feature=related

Interview by John Hockenberry, broadcast June 24, 1997


Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8SweXp7MRA&feature=related

[leveymg]

87. The MJ-12 documents controversy and hoaxes - makes my head hurt worse than the JFK

assassination.

What an elaborate ruse, if indeed all those documents were indeed faked. What's the point of anyone spending all that time and effort to sneak bogus paper into gov't archives? If it's some kind of inside joke, it's not really that funny, and if it's part of an elaborate cover-up or disinformation program, there must be three or four generations of people involved in it - that would make it Majestic 36 by now.

Surprised nobody told the former Defense Sec. to shut up about the missing $2.3 trillion. Ixsnay, Rummie.

[defendandprotect]

122. Interesting . . . and the Phoenix Lights are amazing and should have woken up everyone!!

I would say without doubt that our government has NOTHING like this -- !!!

There used to be a great program on TV called "SIGHTINGS" . . . and they

were doing a great job of keeping America posted about all of this.

There may be some old shows on the internet or YouTube????

[windoe]

46. The fact that we cannot get disclosure on ufos is very telling.

They could at least do a partial disclosure. Their paranoid secrecy is making fools out of us, while most other developed nations have come out already with their data. Oh, well we have enough problems right now, global warming, economy, wars, idiots running loose, so this will be shoved on the back burner once again. It's only aliens, just forget about it.

[Tx4obama]

48. And the republicans

And the republicans keep the 'silly' things at the forefront in the media: Obama's school speech, Obama's birth certificate, Palin, Beck, etc. all insignificant faux controversies.

All media is control by a 'handful' and they don't want the American public to focus on real issues.

[defendandprotect]

123. Obviously, the CIA has also long been involved on what is seen on TV . . .

[Kaleko]

47. The "Steven" Mr. Hellyer mentions was summoned to the Clinton White House

to inform Bill and Hillary about UFO phenomena at the very beginning of their administration. He is Dr. Steven Greer, founder of the Disclosure Project and arguably the world's foremost authority on the subject outside of the group that runs above top secret government military operations.

Check out Greer's website at http://www.disclosureproject.org/

to get a glimpse of his work and his affiliations.



Here is Steven Greer's speech at the Exopolitics Summit Barcelona in 2009:

part 1/7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuvjiE2Xg3A

Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vny4ekTAdJo&NR=1

Part 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNJuCfihJM&NR=1

Part 4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQjSVungcjU&NR=1

Part 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mHcY7PP6F4&NR=1

Part 6:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xd_eYSVNw4&NR=1

Part 7 of 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEo5zcMB7Zw&NR=1

[windoe]

49. Kaleko long time.

For the life of me I cannot figure how people can dismiss this huge body of work, these guys are all real people who are willing to testify under oath. :hi: Amazing how the disinformation network seems to always show up here at DU, not your garden variety deniers, they seem professional and insistent, the threads are always ruined.

[Kaleko]

51. As you may recall, a friend of mine typed the court transcripts

of the report by a very high level whistleblower, a US admiral with 'Cosmic Clearance' as they call it, in a closed session with Steven Greer and a bunch of government officials. These transcripts were then sent to the Clinton White House... where they promptly disappeared.

I've read the transcript of one top US military official who testified under oath that we were attacking UFOs in space with nuclear missiles and our nukes were vaporized. He was pleading for an end to the attacks on our visitors and full public disclosure of what's really going on in the departments of Energy, CIA and Pentagon.

Mind-boggling stuff.

:hi:

[windoe]

52. Wow, so much secrecy.

But in a way who can blame them, people can't even handle having a Black president. Can you imagine how these ignorant people and media circus would react? I guess WWIII would commence, like Von Braun said on his deathbed. Interesting times. Shhh the naysayers must be asleep now, mustn't wake them ;)

[Kaleko]

53. Oh, the troglodytes will descend on this thread and hijack it in the next few hours.

I don't know if the general population will freak out knowing the full truth. Their faith in government officials telling them the truth will certainly be shattered once and for all. I keep thinking any moment now the reality of our true history will explode into mass consciousness because our boat is leaking info everywhere.

Canada, Britain, France, China, Brazil and others have begun the release of classified UFO documents. We'll see which parts of the wall are going to fall next.

[windoe]

54. In a way disclosure already happened, but it has no echo.

But an official one would be exciting, and could join humans together in a new way. I guess there will always be armageddon types.

I may go to one of Dr Greer's excursions one of these days. It would be interesting and cathartic for me. I think it is important work.

--B-)

[defendandprotect]

125. I agree they disrupt and make discussion more difficult . . .

but I don't think they can dissuade anyone really interested in the subject --

or awakened to it --

The comments I've read are from "known-nothings" . . .

:)


Good to see this info here -- we need more of it!

[Ladyhawk]

55. Watching this...reminds me of religious proselytization so far.

Dangle the carrot, smile, be positive, join us or the earth will be destroyed

vs.

Dangle the carrot, smile, be positive, join us or you will go to hell

Zero proof, just a lot of assertions...so far.

Outrageous claims require outrageous proof.

[Ladyhawk]

67. I watched the whole thing. This is simply a new cult.

*no real proof
*lots of rhetoric
*stuff you'd like to believe
*enough "proof" to keep you coming back for more
*group mind crappola

Having already been a religious nut, I recognize the pattern.

I need outrageous proof. This didn't qualify.

[defendandprotect]

127. "A new cult" . . . you mean the Native Americans weren't experiencing spaceships . . .

nor were Europeans eons ago?

One of the first questions the Native Americans asked Columbus was about

the "visitors from the stars." Columbus denied it.

The Vatican has huge archives on UFO/alien visitations they want to release.

Wait for outrageous proof -- take a nap!

[defendandprotect]

126. If there was "proof" . . . who would have it? The government by any chance?

Go back to sleep --

[Tx4obama]

56. Just watched all seven parts and....

I am NOT buying his rhetoric.
He wasted all the time talking and not showing much video evidence.
He tossed out names of people that were not on video saying what he said they said.

The only good part of the seven videos was Part 1, and they did not mention Greer by name, so as far as I am concerned he just used those peoples words without their consent.

I do believe there is something to all the unidentified sightings, but this Greer guy perhaps needs to seek medical attention.

The 'OutBanks' videos he showed, showed nothing.

The Mt. Sashta videos could be gases emitted from the volcano picked up by 'night cameras'.

I wasted a lot of time watching that kook, in my opinion.

[windoe]

57. NO you didn't watch the right series,

here you go, and watch all 13 parts, it gets better and better. The best part for me, was seeing the date of completion at the end: May 2001.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmw_oNIXsGs

[Tx4obama]

58. I watched what YOU posted. You should have posted the right one! n/t

[Kaleko]

60. Psst - I posted # 47.

:hi:

[Tx4obama]

61. Ah ha! You're right... it is YOUR fault! ;) n/t

[Kaleko]

66. Well... if you had clicked on the first link in my post,

you would have been properly introduced ;)

Starting with this quote (bolding mine).

The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence, and classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. We have over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret.

Check out the credentials of these witnesses.

[Tx4obama]

63. Did you read my #44? Seems like everyone has ignored it so far. n/t

[windoe]

65. Kaleko has #47

Your story on #44 sounds interesting. I haven't heard of those, it must have been pretty cool.

I would post my story but it usually kills a thread quick.

[Kaleko]

69. Yes, I read your # 44 and am very familiar with the Phoenix flap,

Governor Symington coming out recently, declaring they were real ET craft - the whole shebang.

Like you, I am a first-hand experiencer. That's what made me study international reports on and off for decades.

[Tx4obama]

74. Well, my point was about Galveston... n/t

[Kaleko]

59. Yes, this is definitely a better introduction to the basics.

Steven Greer's 2009 Exopolitics Conference in Barcelona speech addresses an audience that is already well-informed.

[Tx4obama]

62. Windoe, thank you for the new link :) n/t

[windoe]

64. Cool, huh???????

It should go viral.

[Ladyhawk]

84. I'll ask you, too. Is this a big a waste of time as the 7-part series?

I can never get back those 70 minutes. :D

[Ladyhawk]

83. OK, I didn't watch this one, but I've already wasted 70 minutes of my life on that Steven Greer guy.

Is this less crazy? :)

[defendandprotect]

128. Thanks . . . I'll try to watch this in the morning . . .

:)

[Ladyhawk]

68. Uh, I was a little nicer, but your analysis is spot on.

The guy is a whack job.

(And yes, I watched all seven parts.)

[windoe]

70. See #57

Please watch the whole thing, I can't emphasize it enough, enjoy.

[defendandprotect]

124. Thank you for all the info -- saved it --

I would love to attend one of these Conferences --

Have you ever been to one?

[Kaleko]

134. I've never been to one of the high level conferences in person.

Luckily, we've got the intertubes and can stay in touch with some extraordinary people across the globe.

You might have seen Bob Dean's speech at the last conference already. It was also posted on DU.

In case you haven't, here are the first two links, just for you DaP :)


Exopolitics Summit, Barcelona 2009 -

July 25, 2009, former USAF Sargent Robert "Bob" Dean - part 1 of 7:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfF0AUjc6t4&NR=1



Part 2 of 7:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bATX1YpkEPE&feature=related

[defendandprotect]

136. Yes, I've seen it -- and thank you --

I've been aware of him for quite some time and find his comments

fascinating.

I hope that those interested in this subject and following the info keep posting

because I don't often get a chance to track down any of it.

We really need to see this stuff!


:)

[peacetalksforall]

79. Random thoughts. oil bush hate control

It is very easy for me to adopt the concept of a govt within the govt. I have absolutely become convinced that there is a 'baron' element that is running everything while allowing us to live under certain beliefs, that we elect our President by choice, that we are a democracy, that we have freedoms, and mostly that there are many enemies on this planet that must be fought. The 'baron' element can easily fit into a 'military science wealth' ruling entity.

Do any of you remember an early statement from Bush in his 'Presidency' about returning to the moon? Our heads jerked up and asked where did that come from? Little else was said from day to day.

Not having an open, inquisitive mind on the range of what is involved with ufo's feeds on fear and fear feeds hate. Secrecy is the birthing ground of control. Knowing what we know so far about the lies of war, it is easy to see an entity stepping forward to take control which is what happened with oil. You can't switch to a superior form of movement without sharing it. Meanwhile, the business of oil and gas is lucrative - fortunes are made - overwhelming profits were made in the last couple of years and untold wealth was made in this last century. Why transition if you are pursuing other forms of movement that has been decided will belong to certain people to follow form.

If there is an unspoken military-baron control over us, their most useful tools are thefts of the truth, constant and proliferating hate between people aided by the mis-use of religion.

It is very obvious that they control what we hear by their ownership of all the free tv and radio which in the last ten years added our previously balanced public stations of NPR and PBS. It was a perfect set-up for organized religion to be brought in to aid in the control.

All that is needed is to control the internet(s) (and keep making jokes and snarky remarks about things that could be true).

(There is is also the real possibility that there are two internets - George may not have made a mistake there).

It is possible that one day we will wake up to a day when all pretenses are dropped?

In the meantime, it is easy to smear people who are knowledgeable - the engineer-politician in this thread, John O'Neill, Richard Clarke, Galloway, Kelly, Butler as well as many little people.

We sit around posting to the announcements of the day as if that is the reality. All packaged and given the blessing of approval by the reverends and the Pentagon and theop honchos who meet, decide, act.

If we don't start to listen to people from outside this country we will destruct ourselves and them. If not, we are our way to being way completely controlled in thought and movement.

[defendandprotect]

129. Good post . . .

keep at it --

We all understand the power that this knowledge would give to any group

controlling it -- deadly power.

[Ladyhawk]

82. Yeah, I've watched all the posted videos.

I require more than assertions, name-dropping, hearsay and grainy videos to believe extra-terrestrials have visited Earth. If provided with sufficient proof, I can change my mind.

It is intriguing that the Canadian Minister of Defence asserts he has proof of extra-terrestrials. The implant video is likewise intriguing. However, it isn't enough to convince me.

The nutjob in those seven videos made me think of men in white coats with butterfly nets. :) If aliens make contact within the next two years, I can change my mind on that one, too.

On edit: I haven't watched the 13-part series and I'm not sure I want to. Steven Greer made me cringe.

[windoe]

85. The 13 part series is not about Dr. Steven Greer.

It is about all the high ranking recognizable (google the names if you doubt who they are) officials, who are on tape.

How can you dismiss what you haven't examined? Then say "I don't know about that, I am unable to watch the video because I don't like the messenger."

I feel as if I am talking to fundamentalists sometimes, who need proof but won't listen to it when it is presented. If you have to, mute Dr Greer--but please watch the testimony of American high ranking officials who are on tape saying they have seen craft, seen extraterrestrials, seen craft shoot down missiles in space, and have technology that can solve the world's energy problems. Watch as a woman who worked with the scientist Von Braun, listened to him on his deathbed warn her that 'They will first start a war on terror, then a war with extraterrestrials.' Them, being the military industrial complex. This tape was made May of 2001, right before the war on terror was actually started.

This is the story behind the story, it explains the unethical behavior of government officials, and why the information does not and cannot come out. It is the abuse of power, and the rest of the world suffers because of it.


Please do not ridicule that which you are unfamiliar.

[Ladyhawk]

88. I only ridiculed that with which I WAS familiar. ;)

I watched all seven of those Steven Greer videos and I'd really like to have that time back. No, really. :) Any negative comments were aimed at those videos alone.

Still, I wonder how much of my time this topic is worth...13 more videos??? You must understand that to me, it's like watching 13 more videos attempting to prove the existence of Santa Claus. How much more must I endure before the believers think I have given them a fair listen? Fundamentalist Christians never stop badgering you, no matter how much time you've given them. I gave them 21 years and it's still not enough.

At the same time, I must admit this is an intriguing topic. I'm lured by the promise of saner witnesses in the 13-part series. Of course, after watching Steven Greer, nearly anyone will appear sane. :P

[windoe]

89. OK so Brigadier Generals and

Military Officers are lying. They made the tape to make money and I am just another loony conspiracy theorist who believes anything she sees. I had a craft floating above my head in 2005. Call me a liar, think I am a druggie, I am used to this. It is mostly fear based.

[Ladyhawk]

90. Uh, I haven't watched those. Did I not make that clear?

But since you brought up the point, since when is it unusual for military officers to lie? :P

Sorry, but anecdotal evidence is no evidence at all. Would you believe me if I said there was an elf living in my closet? Of course not.

Fear-based denial? Hell, no. I would love to find out we're not alone. A reality-based fear of mine is that we will destroy ourselves. An alien deus ex machina would fix that, wouldn't it? Unfortunately, it reminds me too much of the Christians' assertion Jesus will come back and save us from ourselves. It's a fantasy that relieves us of responsibility.

That said, I still may watch those videos out of curiosity and I reserve the right to change my mind should adequate proof be presented.

[windoe]

91. I apologize.

I almost deleted that post. I am taking too much personal. Probably due to my experience, I get caught up in the issue.

Ladyhawk, have a beautiful day.

[Ladyhawk]

93. Everyone has "pet" issues. It's OK.

I get really worked up over religion because I was brainwashed by fundies. It has turned me into a skeptic who demands empirical evidence.

But I must warn you...when my bullshit detector goes off, it's usually right. While watching Steven Greer, the damn thing was singing "The Ride of the Valkyries." :)

[windoe]

97. The Ride of the Valkyries

is funny :) I was raised in a religious family, and my father worked high up in the intelligence community. So I have lots of messed up issues (and experiences ) with surveillance all my life, plus the attempts to indoctrinate me with religious dogma. I came out somewhere in the middle of science and spirituality, basing reality on my own experiences.

I perceive reality as a per cent, something has a ____% chance of being true. I am comfortable leaving room for doubt, that more info. may be available later. Other times, like you, my BS meter goes off and I turn elsewhere for more reliable sources.

A lot of our reality is actually based on hearsay. We choose to believe authors, journalists, our best friend, the doctor we choose and teachers. But it is like the game of telephone. How far down the chain from the source of the info. are they? If they are far down the chain, there is a higher chance of distortion. Yet if someone tells you he or she saw something, it comes down to personal credibility. This is where our BS meter needs to be tuned up, both externally and internally. Good to recognize BS on the outside, but also good to recognize our own inner filters, issues and resistance. There are definitely people I cannot watch for more than 2 minutes max, and I know my opinion is based on others that I choose to listen to on the subject.

After seeing so much religious, political and corporate propaganda, it is easy to hear the Ride of the Valkyries on this one.

[defendandprotect]

131. Lady, you couldn't prove the sun is coming up tomorrow . . .

and if there was evidence, who would be likely to have it?

Government, of course.

You may not have liked Greer as a messenger -- try another source of info.

There are many, many . . .

And, I agree, religion is used by elites to confuse the public and to control the public --

everywhere!

[Ladyhawk]

137. That's a silly statement. Of course I could.

Every one of us has experience of the sun rising. The Earth both rotates and revolves around the sun, giving the appearance of sunrise. We have technological devices to observe this and any one of us can directly observe the science involved for ourselves. The science for this was cleared up a long time ago by Galileo and is testable by anyone with the right equipment.

Comparing a sunrise to UFO activity is absolutely ludicrous. Only a few claim to have direct experience and there's no way to look for ourselves. There are no peer-reviewed scientific papers on the topic. There is no way to subject UFO activity to the scientific method. However, we CAN do so with the mechanics of the solar system (sunrise, etc.).

I actually spent quite a lot of time on YouTube today. I watched those 13 videos and a few more. I'm sorry, but there is not enough proof for so wild a claim. Circumstantial evidence, assertion, name dropping and a few blurry photos and videos do not constitute proof.

(On edit, no proof is 100%, but there is a 99.99% chance the sun will rise tomorrow. Anyone want to lay odds on worldwide alien contact? :) )

[Ladyhawk]

92. Oh no! Steven Greer again? You tricked me!

13 more videos with Steven Greer in them?

[Ladyhawk]

94. OK, he was only on for a little while. ;) nt

[defendandprotect]

130. How about they made contact more than 375,000 years ago?

We may very well be hybrids . . .

Greer is but one messenger. Obviously there have been many messengers over eons --

including the Native American --

[Krustyone]

86. Ive seen the saucers too!

stuff is always interesting

[Joanne98]

96. Thank you lovuian

[SoFlaJet]

98. and what TF is THIS????

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ufo-puzzle-alien-baby-or-elaborate-hoax/story-e6freuy9-1225768750492

[defendandprotect]

132. Thanks for the info, lovuian . . .!!

:)

Keep at it !