Rachel Maddow & Zbigniew Brzezinski analyze Obama's Cairo speech

[ProfessorPlum]

Run time: 06:58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_IYkfkJIiU   Posted on YouTube: June 05, 2009 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: June 06, 2009 By DU Member: ProfessorPlum Views on DU: 2502

 

[Liberation Angel]

1. Surprising to see Maddow kissing this neocon's butt

he has been an architect of corporofascism forever and his being in the shadows near Obama was one of the most serious reasons I have had to doubt or question Obama's trustworthiness.

Brzezinski is a Rockefeller operative from way back and of course a part of the global fascist network IMHO

[Patchuli]

3. And your supporting data for that assertion is?

Put up, please.

[Liberation Angel]

4. try wikipedia

david rockefeller cofounder with brzezinski of trilateral commission

bilderberger

neocon

he is shadow spooky from way back

nice pic of him with Bin Laden posted a few days ago here as Brz was main proponent of backing Mujahaden and arming them in afghnistan

wiki has lots

[Patchuli]

5. wiki is questionable

but we'll look since you aren't offering any more than wiki. GIGO.

[Patchuli]

6. I'd trust this link more than wiki

http://www.csis.org/component/option,com_csis_experts/task,view/type,/id,108/

[bjobotts]

7. That's not neocon, that's corporatist. His comments were as far away from neocon as it gets

[bjobotts]

8. After hearing his brilliant analysis all you can say is "Kissing his neocon..."

[bjobotts]

9. He is one of the first persons to call Joe Scarborough an embarrasment on air.

[bjobotts]

10. One of the first to point our Israel's aggressive hypocrisy noting their war crimes in Gaza

[bjobotts]

11. Your comment was brutal compared to what he has said and done lately

[bjobotts]

12. He sure as hell is no neocon and nothing said in this video calls for such a comment

[Wetzelbill]

17. that's not what a neocon is. nt

[kmlisle]

19. US Government continues to administer an empire

Although I see improvements in Obama's approach - he wants dialogue with people we were threatening to bomb a few months ago - he still seems to have retained the basic premise that the US benefits from building an Empire, and that includes elements of neoconservative policy. Saying Rachel shouldn't talk to Brezinski because he represents our government's empire building is like saying Obama should not talk to Amenijhad or Castro or Chavez because we disagree with them. This see no truth, hear no truth because it is coming from the "other side" and speak no truth because you can get in trouble and the other side won't listen anyway has to stop if we are to make even minute progress which is what is probably realistic to expect. Besides if she isn't going to interview anybody whose basic premise is that we are an empire and should remain one that would sadly rule out interviews with pretty much anyone in the US government and most of the media and political commentators. It would be great to see more people explaining how we could function as part of a multilateral world and how we transition out of being an empire (maybe trading military expenditures for health care and education) and what real peace would look like and how all mankind would benefit from that move but don't hold your breath.

[Liberation Angel]

22. I didn't say she shouldn't talk to him, but she was fawning...

all over him.

Look - i protested against Carter precisely because of his being selected by David Rockefeller and Brzezinski for the Trilateral Commission (a cohort of the Council on Foreign Relations) which, to me, made him complicitous with those who were of the NWO ilk.

My feelings about Brz go way back.

He scares me.

Someone the other day posted a photo of him shaking hands with Bin Laden (I'll try to find it).

He helped CREATE the Taliban and armed them which led to the hell which is there today.

But he was always a partner with the Rockefeller/Standard Oil/Chase Bank global corporofascists IMHO.

His proximity to Obama disturbs me immensely (though he stays in the shadows as an advisor with no apparent formal role that I have noticed)

I just thought blind adulation of his long time spooky character needed to be addressed. His roots to what Hunter Thompson called the Fourth Reich go very deep.

That is just my perspective.

I WISH she had asked the bastard if he had any qualms about the fact that he was the architect of the arming and financing of Bin Laden and the taliban.

That is just a historical fact that I wish she had addressed.

[Poll_Blind]

2. Great piece! Rachel rocks! n/t

PB

[Kahoneez]

13. Explain THIS .

..."A power that dominates Eurasia would control two of the world's three most advanced and economically productive regions. A mere glance at the map also suggests that control over Eurasia would almost automatically entail Africa's subordination "

- A quote from IMPERIALIST Zbigniew Brzezinski .

So what's the first logical question , Why would " the first black president of the United States " choose a guy who's detailed plan and goal in his book The Grand Chessboard is to control Eurasia and subjugate Africa , WHY, bcs Obama is in control of the next phase in the U.S. Imperialist playbook , increase troops in Afghanistan , increase occupation and war in Pakistan , including his obscene request for one billion dollars for his FORTIFIED CITY AKA " embassy " .................................................................................................................in Pakistan .

Can you say Intelligence Center for the Region & base to use as launch pad to attack their target of choice ,and it'll be bigger than the Fortified city in Iraq , that's over 100 acres . Bada - Bing , straight from the Kahoneez .

[frog92969]

14. Maybe

Sounds like a logical possibility.

I like "what if" scenarios,
but most on here will be outraged by that talk.

[PDJane]

15. Brzezinski was Carter's advisor,

And the one behind the Taliban. He convinced Carter to fund, arm and train the Taliban, using Pakistani assistance. This was done not, as is the common myth, ater the Soviets invaded, but before. The order was signed in June of 1979, not in December. The idea was to tempt the soviets to invade, to settle the Islamist threat on their border. It worked, the Russians got bogged down, the powers that be rewrote history, and life went on. Brzezinski admitted it to the Nouvelle Observateur. Fortunately, that section of the article was never translated into the version of the magazine that was sent to the United States.

In August 1979, a US State Department memo stated that the “United States’ larger interest would be served by the demise of the regime, despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reforms in Afghanistan. The overthrow of the DRA would show the rest of the world, particularly the Third World, that the Soviets’ view of the socialist course of history being inevitable is not accurate.”

In other words, this was another part of the great game, the imperialist adventure. Afghanistan is not a just war either, but a war of choice, and the US is bombing civilians who have already been bombed back to the stone age.

In addition, the Northern Alliance was funded by the US to keep the Taliban in check, and Al Quaeda received money and training from the CIA. It's called 'blowback'. It should teach the US to stay out of other people's business, but it won't.

[Tx4obama]

16. Yep...

Obama thinks we are ready to be a mediator and not a partisan favoring one side or the other...
that is how is should be ;)

[florida08]

18. Brzezinski is a marxist

Marxists do not believe in capitalism. They believe it will lead to communism as class warfare is waged on the middle class will cause a revolt demanding the government to stop the looting and take over the corporatists. Neocons are actually neoliberals when it comes to the economy. http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=376 and neoconservatives when it comes to expanding military might.

I thought it was a good interview. Brzezinski is a realist on foreign policy. More hawkish then liberals and less than neocons but believing in the dogma that all states want to extend their power.

[ezedi]

20. lucid and realistic

Brz is not a neocon. he was a cold war warrior and of course
they played the great game. But the difference is that he
knows it was a game and that it's been over for almost 2
decades. He is not an idealogue but a very frank and
intelligent man that tells it as it is and doesn't hide things
with bs spin.

[disndat]

21. Brezinski has had it exactly right

since his time with Carter, trying to forge peace between the Arab States and Israel. Brezinski has expressed great anguished over the Mid East policies of succeeding administrations. Now Obama has come around full circle to his and Carter's efforts at Mid East peace The military industrial complex with the help of the C.I.A. helped bring the Reagan era, with aa brief pause during Clinton, continued on unbridled by Bush/Cheney.

[Liberation Angel]

23. Check out photo of Brzezinski and Osama

on post number 14 in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3474912

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it

The thread was posted when Brzezinski endorsed Obama and there is lots there to consider.
But i love that picture which is worth a thousand words

On edit:

There does seem to be some question as to whether or not this is Osama --- HOWEVER - it is found in MANY google image searches for Brzezinski and Osama with what appear to be legitimate links.

The fact remains that Brzezinski was the architect of the policy to train and arm the forerunners of the Taliban which led directly to the current horrors.

My perspective is that he is a part of the problem and a dangerous right winger