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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:48 AM
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Grandma Gets Raided for Paying Off Her Mortgage in Full
Edited on Thu May-14-09 11:50 AM by Joanne98
 
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I know Alex Jones is not liked on DU but I'm going to post this anyway. This is a very important story. Something funny is going on with the foreclosures. We need more info. In this video there is a tape of the cops breaking down her door.



Dawn Welsh a 54 year grandmother is raided in her own home, for what...owning her own home. If this sounds like something straight out of the Twilight Zone, well welcome to America in 2009. Listen as the fascist U.S. government steals an American grandmother's home and terrorizes her!!!!!

Dawn Welsh of Hillsboro, MO Arrested for Trespassing in Her Own Home After Supposed Mortgage Scam. Dawn Welsh knows her house was paid off. She received paperwork from the original mortgage company showing it was paid off. However through a fraudulent conversion of the mortgage, Wachovia Bank claimed authority of the mortgage and then claimed Welsh still owed on her home despite her having proof from the original bank that the note was paid in full.

Today, Hillsboro, Missouri police came onto her property and broke her door down to remove her from her property.
They used a battering ram to enter her home, despite her showing evidence that she owned the property. She had gone to court previously and showed a judge the mortgage was paid in full, and it is a record of the court.
However, these are desperate times for the fraudulent vampirian banksters and they will go after anyone they want, threatening innocent hard-working Americans at every turn. And to top it off the Hillsboro sheriff was an accomplice to this crime, executing the fraudulent crime and rubbing it in further by seizing all of the 54-year-old woman's possessions.

When these mortgages are sold from the original mortgagee to another bank, an illegal conversion takes place. No valid contract is ever initiated between the mortgage holder and this new entity. In fact many people wind up in court after they are told they owe more money on their homes after a series of mortgages being pushed back and forth through the mortgage process.
Ref: http://worldreports.org/news/108_subp ...

Wachovia Mortgage took over the mortgage and said they weren't going to honor the paperwork from the previous mortgagee and continued to harass this woman. So we have a woman with the proper papers showing her house is paid off with the police and the courts ignoring the paperwork.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:51 AM
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1. I like Alex Jones.
I thought End Game was great.. about
the Bilderbergers.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:06 PM
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6. Me too but I hate the whining I get everytime I post him.

I hate the police state so I appreciate what he does. Glad I'm not alone.

:)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:55 AM
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2. The banks are forging documents and titles. Here's another woman saying the same thing.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 11:58 AM
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3. Thanks for posting.
That no one else is covering this abomination is what scares me most. I hope this is spreads nationwide. For every cop there, go fuck yourself.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:07 PM
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7. I didn't even know they were forging papers until today. How I missed that I don't know.

This is a VERY important story. I'll keep posting it.
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:00 PM
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4. I like Alex Jones as well.
He's not a neo con. He hates the neo cons and the Bushies and all that. He doesnt trust Obama at all but I dont expect him to. WTF kind of conspiracy theorists trusts the president?
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:24 PM
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10. Jones HAS A "CULT" PERSONALITY
I don't like his personality, it reminds me of Limbaugh.
However, I do agree with many of his positions. I truly
believe, based on many facts and my own observations, that
9-11 was government sanctioned. I know that Americans are
being dispossessed daily.  Our country is run by a crime
syndicate. Our "legal" system is the enforcement arm
of our illegal government. We are owned and ruled by the
"elite" who control our media too. I truly believe
that, "BIG BROTHER" is here and just consolidating
his control. Honestly, I feel that when I write a comment like
this, it is recorded by our government and assessed and I am
judged as to the threat I might pose. Maybe, that makes me
mentally unstable, but I truly believe these things.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 03:35 PM
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19. I just called the Hillsboro Police Department and told him that this info is all over the net.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 04:11 PM by bkkyosemite
If it's true that this happened to this woman your police department looks very bad. It states this woman had paid in full her home. But with the mortgage schemes it was sold and now the police broke her door down and took her home and her belongings. If this is true your department looks very bad. He said nothing. I said I hope this is not true because if it is it sounds terrible for your police department to do what they did. What I am reading and hearing was recorded and I heard the police break her door down I said. If she paid in full for her home and it is recorded in court and the police did this to her this makes your department look very bad, I said again. It is all over the net what has happened. You were recorded breaking her door down. Officer I am hoping it is not true but if it is true this is awlful. Officer we live in America. We live in America! This type of thing cannot happen in America. I just wanted you to know how a citizen in Medford OR feels about what she heard. ....He said okay.

The only other thing he said was when I said in the very beginning I hope it is not true that you broke down the door of a 54 year old grandmother by the name of Dawn Welsh who owned her home and your police took possession of her home and her belongings... that is when he said where did you hear about this. I said on a forum on the net.

I feel sorry for your department if this is true. Have a nice day officer. He said you too.

Edit: Sorry meant to reply to OP..

Let me interject....I sensed he knew exactly what I was talking about and wanted to listen to everything I was saying. The silence was deafening.........but he was polite...
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 03:49 PM
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20. I just sent this to the White House asking Obama to check into this to see if this woman's
home was stolen from her.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:04 PM
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5. Here's another one with just the audio of them breaking down her door.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:11 PM
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8. how the hell can they get away with that!! if she paid it off and has proof of such,
then what the hell! this is bullshit. does this woman have any recourse at all!!???
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:14 PM
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9. This is what I want to know. What is her recourse?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:45 PM
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11. Website The Ripoff Report. Check out Wachovia .......

TONS of letters.......

5/13/2009 6:50:00 PM
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Virginia
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Virginia
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:56 PM
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12. Do the facts actually appear in this story?
Nothing is clearly stated, all important information is left to be inferred.
IT says she "Knows her mortgage is paid off". What a odd construction. Why doesn't it say SHE paid off her mortgage, and detail when and how that was accomlished - for ex. paid for 30 years and sent last payment X date.

She "has evidence she owns the property." It appears to me that the document she has is a "paid off mortgage" that was generated as the mortgage moved from one financial institution to another.

This claim sounds similar to someone that when they check their bank statement they find a large bank error in their favor and take out the money.

That is theft.

Sounds to me like granny is a crook.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:20 PM
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16. She could be lying. I'm waiting for her to produce the document.
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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 02:09 PM
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17. She sounds like the guy in Beverly Hills
I've looked on three sites now and no where does it say that SHE paid off her mortgage. It says that she got a letter from her original mortgage company that her balance was zero, which it would be if the mortgage had been sold.

There is a guy in California who hae been living in his million plus home for 2 years now because he has the downstream lenders tied up in court. He didn't actually pay off his mortgage either, he's simply making the case that the lender currently holding the loan can't prove that they have the right to collect on it.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 12:58 PM
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13. Joanne98
Joanne98

If this is true - and at the sound of it, it looks like it are true, then this is a flagrant brake with most people belive is just and fair.. And I would belive that it is against the law, to harass, and to arrest a person who just have managed to pay down her mortage... Specially when in this case the paperwork who prove who own what is all there...

I do not know the exact law in the US, But if this was happening in most european country, the the company in questining here would be sued so hard, and so long that the woman would be a verry rich woman when the case is over..

I for one hope that the woman here also would be a rich woman when she win the case against this bank... In fact I hope that the whole company would be out of business.. This is a crime plain and simple.. Nothing more.. Just becouse you happend to be a bank that dosen't mean you do not have to follow the law as others have to...

This is unfair, in fact criminal I might say... And I hope both the Sheriff Dept, and the Police Dept and so on get their fair share of "fire" over this action.. I hope this woman got a decent good lawyer who can fight and win for her.. Specially if everything she says is true.. Then the company in questing are in more problems than they belived I guess.. She looked as a woman who can fight... And wil fight for what she belive is right..

Diclotican
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:19 PM
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15. We need more info. So far she hasn't produced the document that says

She paid her mortgage off. But if she's got if that's a really big deal.
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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 03:32 PM
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18. Joanne98
Joanne98

True, not everything is known - yet at least.. But if this is true then both the Cheriff dept, the police dept, and not least the mortage company would be in more problems than it is wort... If this was just a case of to mutch greed, and one who wasen't standing to let the bank take the house.. Then I hope they would be puniched according to what they have been doing..

Diclotican.
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Reform Donating Member (417 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 01:04 PM
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14. Holy sweet crap
Edited on Thu May-14-09 01:07 PM by Reform
This is why i listen to Alex, he's a blow hard and may not agree with him on everything but he brings up stories and covers things the msm wont dare to touch.
Love him or hate him he is some what of a beacon for whats left of free speech in America.
I cant believe this is the first time im hearing about these forgeries, it is sickening and i hope there are some patriotic lawyers out there that will come to this ladies side and any other who may have been taken for the same ride.
I'm disgusted
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Confusious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:05 PM
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21. The only problem I have with this

Is that she blames the government for the mortgage problems and shipping jobs overseas when its the corporations who are doing it.


Shes never going to be free unless she sees where the real chains are.
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bkkyosemite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-14-09 04:06 PM
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22. The government for the last 8 years had no nada regulations on the corporate criminals.
Edited on Thu May-14-09 04:07 PM by bkkyosemite
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