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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:38 AM
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Rachel and Howard Dean discuss how health care can't move to the right
 
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or it won't be real health care reform. It was a fairly long interview. Rachel asked his opinion of why the insurance companies were standing with Obama for change. Dean said it was because they feared the public option. He says single payer should have a seat at the table.

Thinks people should have a public insurance option and should have a private insurance option.

Rachel says no one to the left of Obama is at the table, says she thinks it might go to the right. Dean says let's see about that.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:40 AM
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1. I Lived For Five Years Without Health Care Access - Universal Single Payer Now
eom
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:49 AM
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2. They go where they seem to be going
this is all I have to say

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962

Funny thing will happen, but people, the murican people are getting tired of being ignored. On the bright side, it was the people who had to push for SS to be in place. So we need to push... but in the end, if the power elites continue to be tone deaf, they will be in for a surprise... just saying it will happen.

The murican people have waited a long time... since oh Truman
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 12:59 AM
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3. I believe you are right.
In any case from your lips to God's ears.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:26 AM
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4. Dr Dean is way off on his numbers.
I wonder if he just accidently stumbled. The numbers of Americans favoring single-payer are very high and continue to grow.


The support for single-payer health insurance is at least 3 times as great as Dr Dean quoted.

27. Do you think the federal government should guarantee health insurance for all Americans, or isn't this the responsibility of the federal government?
64% - Guarantee
27% - Not responsibility
9% - DK/NA

30. If you had to choose, which do you think is more important for the country to do right now, maintain the tax cuts enacted in recent years or make sure all Americans have access to health care?
18% - Cutting taxes
76% - Access to health insurance
1% - Neither
2% - Both
4% - DK/NA

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2007/march/public_opinion_on_he.php



49. Which would you prefer – (the current health insurance system in the United States, in which most people get their health insurance from private employers, but some people have no insurance); or (a universal health insurance program, in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that's run by the government and financed by taxpayers?)
62 % Universal
33% Current
6% No opinion

http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/935a3HealthCare.pdf
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 04:06 AM
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11. I caught that right away.
Why do you suppose Dr. Dean misrepresented the numbers that way? He claimed only 20% of the American people want single payer, he is wrong.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 08:41 AM
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13. I'd be VERY surprised if 20% of the American people even KNEW what ...
single payer IS.

If the question was asked: "Would you be
interested in participating in the same
Medicare program that your Senator has,
would you be interested?

Then I guess most Americans would answer
"yes".

I am confused about single payer vs.
public option, myself.

People will only want "single payer"
if it is SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper than
what is available now.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 01:42 AM
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5. Howard Dean & Dennis Kucinich they are two we can trust on
Edited on Wed May-13-09 01:43 AM by GreenTea
Universal Health Care and not the bullshit everyone else is offering & throwing at us....keeping the insurance companies ripping off our tax dollars and throwing us off our premiums when we get sick and the insurance corporations don't want to pay because it hurts their profits.
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zoff Donating Member (302 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 02:13 AM
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6. True freedom of health care choice
should include a private insurance option and a medicare-format public option. Maybe this what American-style universal care will look like. The public option should provide nearly all basic services such as check-ups, immunizations, childbirth, cancer screening and others including stem cell operations and perhaps all other procedures or tests that require expensive medical equipment. There is a middle ground along the lines of Dean's vision. However, private insurers' will fight to keep a competitor, government included, away from the pot. Ain't capitalism grand.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 02:23 AM
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7. Private HC ins. say a million is better than nothing at all.so will make HC "affordable"???
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 02:24 AM
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8. Public option means no more high dollar campaign contributions from private ins.
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destes Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 03:21 AM
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9. Bingo!
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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 03:50 AM
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10. let's all march on Washington, DC and call on Pres Obama from the Lincoln Memorial
to implement single-payer health care
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-13-09 05:36 AM
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12. We need a cure for health care in America !
In East Tennessee and southwest Virginia Profit Care comes ahead of Patient Care. http://www.wisecountyissues.com
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 09:59 AM
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14. Are there polls that clarify and differentiate single payer and public option together??
It appears these two polls show support for government involvement either in public option or single payer. The blogger interprets it only to be for single payer. To say Dean is misquoting is a disservice to him and spins at least these two polls. I don't know about others.

I would have to see other polls that specifically mention single payer as opposed to public option, and frankly I don't think people understand the difference.

http://26dems.blogspot.com/2009/05/facts-blurredpolls-show-strong-support.html

Two major polls taken earlier this year show strong support for a single-payer health plan, or at least the concept of a strong government roll in lowering costs and covering all Americans. The polls are listed at PollingReport.com. The two polls are summarized below, with the polling question presented to respondents, followed by the results.

CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Feb. 18-19, 2009. N=1,046 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
“In general, would you favor or oppose a program that would increase the federal government’s influence over the country’s health care system in an attempt to lower costs and provide health care coverage to more Americans?”

Favor: 72%
Oppose: 27%
Unsure: 1%


CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 11-15, 2009. N=1,112 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.
“Should the government in Washington provide national health insurance, or is this something that should be left only to private enterprise?”

Government: 59%
Private Enterprise: 32%
Unsure: 9%


The blog also castigates Dean for his figures, yet there are none mentioned specifically for single payer in these polls presented there.

Since only 21 Dems in the senate even support a public option, which is a government run option in addition to private....I am all for either one of them that we can get. I will take single payer or public option.

But the way polls are worded are important and shouldn't be misconstrued.

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