Liz Cheney: Waterboarding isn't torture because of SERE training

[babylonsister]

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[geckosfeet]

1. Refuted and debunked quite clearly. NPR had a decent story on it this week.

Psychologists Dispute Claim In Interrogation Memos

The Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape (SERE) training program that the memos cite to justify waterboarding and other interrogation techniques was first introduced in the United States many decades ago. The goal of the program was to train military personnel to withstand torture and interrogation.

So, under controlled conditions, we train our own troops. Understandable if a bit sadistic.

But Gary Hazlett, a research scientist who spent many years studying stress among soldiers who were going through these programs, says it is not possible to compare the soldiers to a population of people who have been involuntarily detained.

"One group has a lot of control and can say no and stop the process at any point along the way, but that really doesn't hold for the detainee group," he said in an interview. Several other scientists contacted by NPR said the same, but declined to go on record at this time.

In fact, dozens of studies have shown that when people are exposed to trauma and perceive that they have no control over events, they are at increased risk for prolonged psychological harm, such as post-traumatic stress disorder and depression.

Psychologists Dispute Claim In Interrogation Memos

IMHO Liz Cheney is full of horse dung.

[lovuian]

23. this is why our troops are commiting suicide

this kinda of programming
breaks the psyche

It totally backfires

[sabra]

2. wow she talks just like her dad - scary... plus her rationale was beyond

absurd... Totally ignored the Geneva Convention retort...

[Hulk]

3. spawn of Satan.....oh great!! I wasn't aware they "seeded" more than once.

Oh God, we have to endure more than one more of this f*cked up, satanic family??

Play the word games all you want, bitch. Water boarding IS torture. We KILLED people with torture. You ignorant slut. Keep your word games for your heinous sperm provider.

[MADem]

4. And old Liz has, of course, been through SERE so she completely understands the

purpose of the practice of torturing (oops there's that word!) trainees going through the course?

Didn't think so. Sit down and shut up, Liz!!

[Aviation Pro]

5. Listen up you friggin mistake of a zygote.....

...your fucking poser fuckhead shitstain of a dad ordered the use of torture and SERE-C is a three week fucking course with a three day RTL (Resistance Training Laboratory) that simulates conditions in a POW camp. After the course, attendees are under surveillance by a psychologist and previously (as of 1988) were ordered to turn in their POWs (Privately Owned Weapons) into the arms room for a period of time. That being said, spawn of Satan's asshole, the students can quit and be trucked back to Bragg unlike the detainees at our various torture centers. The fact that your pussy scrub father sent you out to defend him speaks volumes.

Note: if there are any action guys on this board who would like to update and correct any of the above information please do.

[sammythecat]

10. You're absolutely right.

Context is everything here.

Nice, and accurate, descriptive phrases there too, BTW. :rofl:

[L0oniX]

12. Note: spawn of Satan's asshole = asscarrot

[RobertSeattle]

6. I want someone to just GO-OFF on this Torture Apologists

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[Rick Myers]

8. Somebody wanna tell the deranged woman...

Not ALL of out military personnel recieve SERE training!!! To my knowledge, it's Navy and Air Force COMBAT pilots/aircrews and most Special forces operators (Rangers, Delta, SEALs)... The average grunt does NOT go thru SERE training! And, what, did Daddie tell her Al Quieda gives their terrorists SERE training? Crazy ass family...

[stanwyck]

19. My Marine son went to "SERE School" as did my Navy pilot nephew

They both compared notes with two of my brothers-in-law, Viet Nam era Navy pilots. The training hasn't changed much. And, yes, they do get water boarded. They are to move/tap their feet when they've "had enough". My nephew said he was told, "hey, stop tapping your feet. We haven't even started yet."

[ejpoeta]

9. whenever anyone says torture is ok or justified.... i want to hear a rebuttal....

so you support the torture of american soldiers? why do you hate our fighting men and women in the armed forces?? why do i say this?? because by saying that torture is ok, then you are saying its ok for OUR soldiers to be tortured by the other guy. I can assure you that if the taleban or alquaida were torturing OUR soldiers, there would be no talk of justified. there would be nothing but pure OUTRAGE!! if our soldiers had been put in pyramids and attacked by dogs or put in boxes with insects or waterboarded.... no one would be questioning the legality of that. they would be decrying it as against the geneva conventions. because when WE do it, it is ok. but not for anyone else. but that is bogus. if we accept torture as a means of obtaining information for us to use, then we accept it as an acceptable means for anyone else as well. period. end of discussion. and i am appalled that I never hear that point made to any of these idiots out there cheerleading for torture!!!

[burning rain]

11. Plus, it's really rich to compare......

the reasonable expectations of US forces being trained by their comrades-in-arms with those people undergoing waterboarding at the hands of enemies. With Liz it's clear the worm-ridden apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

[dkofos]

13. Sorry kid, your DAD is a fucking WAR CRIMINAL. Get used to it.

The sooner he dies the better off you will be.

And so was his underling *!!

[ArmeniansForObama]

14. do they waterboard people over 186 times in their training manual?

[ro1942]

15. lame

how lame was that,in the army i had to take my gas mask off in a tent full of tear gas but i knew they were going to let me out.

[DearAbby]

16. Under the SERE program

they waterboard our own troops 183 times? If so, maybe the program should be discontinued, its clearly torturing our own troops.

[JayMusgrove]

17. So Cheney now is sending his daughter out on TV to

defend his criminal activities over the last 8 years?

That's what I would expect for a war criminal who never served in the military and got 7 draft deferments during VietNam.

[winyanstaz]

18. so when at least 27 of the prisoners we were "NOT torturing" died...

it was just because they hated our freedoms?
If water boarding is "not torture", why did the us government hang japanese for that after the last world war? If water boarding is "not torture" then why is a United states sheriff and his deputies doing hard time for "Not Torturing" people they were water boarding/torturing? They are rotting at this very minute in the prisons Dick Cheney owns stock in. They were convicted by the Department of Justice for torturing people.
This woman is as evil as her father.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. I got through about half of the first part

What nonsense.

Waterboarding is torture. That's what the Spanish Inquisition called it when it used it to get witches and heretics to confess.

The SERE program uses waterbaording as part of its training precisely because it is torture. The idea is to get military personnel trained in resisting torture.

Finally, I hope that I am not the first to suggest the possibility that there are no memos addressing the effectiveness of the torture program. Perhaps Mr. Cheney is setting up the administration to prove that something that does not exist does not, in fact, exist; we should all be aware that it won't be the first time Cheney's made a demand on somebody to prove something does not exist. It also won't be the first time he's made up a fact out of thin air.

And even if there are such memos, there are probably at least as many disputing the effectiveness of torture as an interrogation technique. And lot more of disputing memos will have been written by people not under investigation.

Torture doesn't work as an interrogation method. It is an excellent coercive technique that can be effective in getting the torture victim to say what the torturers would like to hear. The evidence is starting to point to it having been used for just that purpose.

[cooolandrew]

21. The thing is what in their minds do they define as torture probably too frightening to com template....

Scary, scary people.

[Hutzpa]

22. All due respect to Laura O'Donnell

she was too weak an interviewer for her, she allowed her to spew all these BS without
pointing out the facts.

She will never go on Rachel's show, not going to happen. I believe she specifically chose
O'Donnell so she can get a pass and make the News.

[Doremus]

24. Arrogance runs in that family.

Nobody can tell them anything, they know it all, have all the answers.

Horrid people.

[merh]

25. And why do they conduct SERE training

To prepare our troops for what to expect if they are captured and tortured.

And the troops know that they will not be killed and that they get to go home to their own bunks and return to their families and walk free.

These sadistic bastards, explaining inhumane and cruel treatment by admitting that they are cruel and inhumane to our soldiers.

[grassfed]

26. Sieg Heil LIZ CHENEY, Aryan Princess

The Bitch of Baghdad.

[SanchoPanza]

27. Even if true, which I doubt, some perspective is needed.

"Moreover, they decided that when torture is given, the inquisitors and ordinario must be present, or one of them. If it seems appropriate, the inquisitors could commit this responsibility to someone else, if perhaps it does not suit them to attend, or if they are impeded from doing so. They must observe that the attending person is a wise, faithful man, of good reputation and conscience; a man who would not be expected to do something he should not out of hatred, affection, or self-interest."
- Tomas de Torquemada, Inquisitor-General of Spain. Compilations of Instructions of the Office of the Holy Inquisition, 1484.

Torquemada sure had him some principles in mandating that prisoners who had water poured into their nose and mouth had someone of good conscience around to make sure shit didn't get out of hand.

[SKKY]

28. Oh, so Liz went through SERE school?

Why do we have SERE school anyway Liz? What purpose does SERE serve? Didn't your father's aides share that information with you? Let me help you. IT SERVES TO TEACH OUR PEOPLE HOW TO SURVIVE WHEN THEY'RE BEING CHASED, HELD, and yes, TORTURED!!!!

[Jennicut]

29. She should try being waterboarded sometime. Who knows? Maybe the Cheneys think torture is fun.