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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:32 PM
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Robert Fisk despairs how little impact his work has had.
 
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May I say to Robert Fisk: Your work has been a great influence. Don't despair, sir.

"Legendary Reporter Robert Fisk announces his retirement in an Interview on NZ's 'Campbell Live'. He gives his reasons & explains his sense of despair on how little impact his work has had."

He has much to say about why we have troops all over the Middle East. He gets digs in at our media in the US. Says the LA Times and the New York Times should be called "American officials say". The last 2 minutes are powerful.

Here is a video from You Tube announcing his retirement. I can't view the video at You Tube because it is apparently of questionable nature? I would have to sign in as a member. Here's the link if you can see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDxezvEhHP0

However I did find the video at at this link with some of Fisk's words about his retirement. It is from November 2007.

And then I am exhilarated to be reminded of reporters like Robert Fisk who have spent the past thirty years of their professional lives on the front lines, bringing the public from around the world, a true glimpse into the devastation and destruction that the United States has single handedly instigated around the world. Apparently, he is retiring. The reason? Mr. Fisk says, "My work here has been an entire failure." How completely untrue! We need so desperately reporters with the ethical and moral compass that guides his every news story. We need morality to be infused into all the coverage of this war that has been so completely devoid of morality on every level. It is Mr. Fisk's personal integrity that translates to his reporting and then brings back to the public a fuller picture of all of the loss and devastation. But I understand that thirty years of doing this with only a handful or others, ultimately is depleting and extremely difficult to sustain. But he did. For thirty years. And now he needs peace.


He has spoken passionately of our role in Afghanistan.

Robert Fisk speaks of Afghanistan in 2002 and 2008. Wonders why we think we can win there?

The garden was overgrown, the roses scrawny after a day of Kandahar heat, the dust in our eyes, noses, mouth, fingernails. But the message was straightforward. "This is a secret war," the Special Forces man told me. "And this is a dirty war. You don't know what is happening." And of course, we are not supposed to know. In a "war against terror", journalists are supposed to keep silent and rely on the good guys to sort out the bad guys without worrying too much about human rights.

..."In the early weeks of this year, the Americans raided two Afghan villages, killed 10 policemen belonging to the US-supported government of Hamid Karzai and started mistreating the survivors. American reporters – in a rare show of mouse-like courage amid the self-censorship of their usual reporting – quoted the prisoners as saying they had been beaten by US troops. According to Western officials in Kandahar, the US troops "gave the prisoners a thrashing".

Things have since changed. The American forces in Afghanistan, it seems, now leave the beatings to their Afghan allies, especially members of the so-called Afghan Special Forces, a Washington-supported group of thugs who are based in the former Khad secret police torture centre in Kabul. "It's the Afghan Special Forces who beat the Pashtun prisoners for information now – not the Americans," the Western military man told me. "But the CIA are there during the beatings, so the Americans are culpable, they let it happen." This is just how the Americans began in Vietnam. They went in squeaky clean with advisers, there were some incidents of "termination with extreme prejudice", after which it was the Vietnamese intelligence boys who did the torture.


And more about Afghanistan from September of last year in The Independent UK

It seems an age since Donald "Stuff Happens" Rumsfeld declared,"A government has been put in place (in Afghanistan), and the Islamists are no more the law in Kabul. Of course, from time to time a hand grenade, a mortar explodes – but in New York and in San Francisco, victims also fall. As for me, I'm full of hope." Oddly, back in the Eighties, I heard exactly the same from a Soviet general at the Bagram airbase in Afghanistan – yes, the very same Bagram airbase where the CIA lads tortured to death a few of the Afghans who escaped the earlier Russian massacres. Only "terrorist remnants" remained in the Afghan mountains, the jolly Russian general assured us. Afghan troops, along with the limited Soviet "intervention" forces, were restoring peace to democratic Afghanistan.

..."And Obama and McCain really think they're going to win in Afghanistan – before, I suppose, rushing their soldiers back to Iraq when the Baghdad government collapses. What the British couldn't do in the 19th century and what the Russians couldn't do at the end of the 20th century, we're going to achieve at the start of the 21 century, taking our terrible war into nuclear-armed Pakistan just for good measure. Fantasy again.

Joseph Conrad, who understood the powerlessness of powerful nations, would surely have made something of this. Yes, we have lost after we won in Afghanistan and now we will lose as we try to win again. Stuff happens.


Not sure when he retired, can't find the exact date. But I hope he keeps writing about the injustices of war.
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:45 PM
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1. "the LA Times and the NY Times should be called 'American Officials Say'"
that is a classic... and sad but true.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 03:50 PM
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2. Amazing parallels he draws
between what a declining British empire encountered when it tried to invade and control Iraq (almost 100 years ago) and what the US is encountering today. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 04:32 PM
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3. Yes, almost 100 years ago....so many of the same words used.
And the same propaganda.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 05:14 PM
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4. Some quotes and parallels from 1917..we come to "liberate not conquer"
Oh yeh, where have we heard that before?

Some quotes I transcribed:

"a superpower has a visceral need to display military strength."

"the American Iron Curtain runs from Greenland through Britain, Germany, Yugoslavia, ...Greece and to Turkey."

"this Iron Curtain running from the Ice Capital to the borders (?) of Somalia..why"

"on the other side of that Iron Curtain is India, China, and Russia"

"And don't think the Indians, Chinese, and Russians haven't thought about that."

"is this really about the projection of American power or something else?"

" a journalist should always carry a suitcase of history books.
www.jjscafeandcatering.com
"We westerners always go to the Middle East to rescue people."

"in 1917 the British Army invaded Iraq and occupied it."

they put up a sign that said "we come here not as conquerors, but as liberators".

Fisk has the original flyer, sold to him by a daughter of someone who took the original down to save it. Fisk bought it just before we invaded Iraq and keeps it by his desk.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:33 PM
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9. Hmmm
Where the heck did that link come from? I was transcribing from the video??

How very odd>
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:31 PM
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5. Robert Fisk is one of the best
Edited on Fri Apr-03-09 06:38 PM by sabrina 1
along with sadly, just a few others, like Dahr Jamail. I am so sorry to hear he is retiring, it's not as if there is anyone to replace him. I just read several of his stories on the US bombing (remote controlled) in Afghanistan, a few weeks ago and how devastating it is to so many innocent victims there.

I understand how he feels, regarding thinking his work has had no impact. But HE is not the failure, he did his job and sometimes at great risk to his own personal safety.

He is not alone in thinking all he did was for nothing though. I think all of us who opposed the policies of the US over the past eight years and who initially thought that the Internet would be a way to be heard, feel that we failed also.

After all, we did not change a single thing. We failed to save a single life, stop one person from being tortured, get any of the criminals even investigated, no matter how many demonstrations we attended, how many calls we made, or how many letters, faxes or emails we sent.


I don't know if we failed, or if we just didn't understand how it all worked, that both parties were on board for so much of what we opposed. It took me a long time to come to terms with that.

Still, shouldn't we have done more? I am fairly certain we should have although I'm not sure what.

I'm sorry not to have written to him each time I read one of his reports, just to let him know that his work was so much appreciated and that people did and still do appreciate his courage, integrity and dedication to putting a human face on these awful wars, not allowing the victims to be recorded as merely 'collateral damage'.

His work over the past eight years has to have so stressful, I know he was in danger often, taking so many risks to bring some truth to the public. I wish there were a way to let him know how much it meant to us to get a glimpse of the actual war zones that was not censored, to see the people of Iraq and Afghanistan as he did. He used their names, a simple act, but something our media never did. And the public in general never seemed to wonder if they even had names.

He did not fail. He was dealing with forces beyond what many of us have ever dealt with before. Incredibly evil forces. And probably worst of all, an apathetic public who seem oblivious, or worse, supportive of the evil their countries (Britain also) inflict on others.

I will miss his reporting. One less voice of truth to speak for those who are voiceless.

So, thank you Robert Fisk ~ you are a shining example of what a real war correspondent ought to be and at the very least, you have recorded the history of these times from the pov of those who were the victims of so much evil, and that is important as they will surely try to write it only from their twisted and evil perspective.

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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 06:17 AM
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14. I saw a video ( documentary?) of Fiske in Link TV
The entire thing was him speaking at a podium. He is funnier than I realized from reading him.
He may feel discouraged, but his writing has awakened and informed thousands of people..................
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:38 PM
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6. He deserves our appreciation
There are way too few journalists with integrity around today. We so badly need journalists like him. I'm sorry that he's feeling so down.
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Mithreal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 06:45 PM
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7. K&R. That first video was well worth watching. Thank you. nt
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-03-09 07:25 PM
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8. One Of My Best Sources For War Reporting
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WhoIsNumberNone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 12:54 AM
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10. Amazing
I always said most people (especially politicians) don't learn anything from history- and here's the proof.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:12 AM
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11. "every journalist should have history books" packed.
He is so right. He has been there all the way where things were happening.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:19 AM
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12. Thank you, I have never before heard Fisk speak though I read his work.
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PaulaFarrell Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 04:34 AM
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13. Thanks for posting
I was lucky enough to see him on his book tour in London - it was shortly after Hamas was elected in Gaza. Maybe what's happened since there has made him want to stop reporting from the ME.

He just comes across as such a humane guy.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 07:39 AM
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15. Thank your for posting the words of this GREAT man and the GREATEST journalist in the world!!

There is not a government, militia or political group that Robert Fisk has not infuriated with his uncompromising and heroic reporting!


Robert Fisk Archives:

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/fisk/

2 of Mr. Fisk’s most important books:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515F7GFEHDL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon

Amazon link:

http://www.amazon.com/Pity-Nation-Abduction-Lebanon-Books/dp/1560254424/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238832763&sr=1-3

link on Powell Books:

http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781560254423-1

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The Great War for Civilization: The Conquest of the Middle East by Robert Fisk



link on Powell Books:

http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-9781400041510-7

link on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Great-War-Civilisation-Conquest-Middle/dp/1400075173/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1238831427&sr=1-1

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 01:41 PM
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17. I didn't know he retired...Thanks for posting...
K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-04-09 10:07 PM
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18. I didn't know it either.
Hope he keeps on writing.
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-06-09 05:00 PM
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19. he's brilliant and funny, too
Yes, we all need to know our history. It is sad to see the parallels and to think that our leaders just keep repeating the same mistakes.
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