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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:03 PM
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AP Raw Video: Deputy Shown Assaulting Teen Girl
 
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Surveillance video released in an assault case against a King County, Wash. sheriff's deputy shows him kicking a young girl, slamming her to the jail cell floor and striking her repeatedly. The deputy has pleaded not guilty in case. (Feb. 27)
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:06 PM
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1. my god!!!!
what is wrong with this country!!!!!!!!
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BartMang Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:50 AM
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89. Hah pigs.
The police suck in every country especially back in Poland.
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debunkthelies Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:17 PM
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114. Hiring Criminals
It seems to me that Law Enforcement is hiring more and more people who are not qualified to 'protect and to serve', more likely 'persecute and to punish'.
All across this Country there are increasing numbers of Police brutality and misconduct, it has become nothing more than a huge gang of thugs with badges.
Good Cops are now the exception rather than the rule.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:08 PM
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2. And people wonder
why the police are hated.
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:17 PM
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5. Very true. Assholes like this are the reason other police officers are killed.
Could you honestly tell me that if this happened to you, even one time, that you would not wish death upon ANY police officer you came across? When you have cases where a cop is killed in cold blood, it often has to do with other cops before him just like this one.

To make matters worse, this cop pleaded not guilty in hopes (I think) that one of his buddy friends will tamper with evidence, lose evidence or make some mistake where he gets off on a technicality.

Fortunately for us today, we have technology that captures this type of behavior and also broadcasts it for the world to see. What about 10 years ago? How many cops got away with this kind of behavior?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:08 PM
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18. not really
"To make matters worse, this cop pleaded not guilty in hopes (I think) that one of his buddy friends will tamper with evidence, lose evidence or make some mistake where he gets off on a technicality."

not really. i've never heard of ANYBODY not pleading guilty at arraignment, and that's what any defense attorney would advise, because they haven't even had evidentiary hearings, etc. iow, there's no reason to assume anything other than he's following procedure, weighing options, case strategy, etc.

based on the video and articles, i have little doubt he is guilty as fuck, but nobody expects ANY suspect to plead guilty at arraignment.

i work as a cop in WA state. i know the procedure in court. NOBODY pleads guilty at arraignment. he MAY decide to do so later, and most people DO plead before trial (most cases never go to trial).

that's par for the course for ANY criminal defendant, and just cause he's a cop doesn't mean he has the same rights to trial, examination of evidence, etc.

also, props to the detective, who while investigating the underlying auto theft case discovered the assault on the young girl and immediately advised supervisors and began the investigation on the officer.

in regards to the tape, i have only one thing to say : res ipsa loquitur.


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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:19 PM
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26. Okay, I get it,..nobody pleads guilty at arraignment
Did it say in the original post that it was at the arraignment? I didn't read that into it. In any case, I will bow to your better judgement since you work as a cop, you know alot more about the system than I do. Plus you speak latin. :)
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:23 PM
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28. no, the article didn't
it's an article in the mainstream media. they almost NEVER get courtroom stuff and procedure right, or detailed.

for example, i frequently read articles that claim defendants plead "innocent" when there is no such thing.

thanks for the response. i am not saying he is not guilty as fuck. he clearly appears to be. i'm just saying no defense attorney in their right mind would ALLOW a defendant to plead guilty until they at least had evidentiary procedures (possibility of evidence suppression), reviewed the evidence, and discussed plea arrangement with a prosecutor, all of which comes later.

it's just that he is following the courtroom ritual. it's like when you watch law and order NOBODY pleads guilty at the bail hearing. this is a similar hearing. it's basically the formal notification of charges, and a not guilty plea is always expected.


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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:57 AM
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43. sorry, double tap
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 01:58 AM by Brucie Kibbutz
dupe :crazy:
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TheEuclideanOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:15 AM
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55. Just curious.... what does "double tap" mean?
This may be a stupid question, but I have seen it used in a thread or two, but haven't actually figured it out yet. Can you enlighten me?
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:06 AM
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57. Not stupid at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJLTkiS-83A

For the purpose of a forum, it means that the "post message" button probably got pressed twice in quick succession resulting in the same message being posted twice.

In this thread, my first post wasn't really a double tap but just a plain old fuck up. Trying to reply to the OP and had this sub thread open instead. Basically just in a hurry. I really need to stop doing that. :banghead:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:12 AM
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60. res ipsa loquitur
Yes, it so distrubing to many citizens that the police are often guilty of abusing their ability to contol the situation.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:08 PM
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3. An anger inducing video. nt
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:08 AM
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46. You said it. This guy belongs in prison.That was pure brutality unprovoked
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:09 PM
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4. He's a Punk
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:20 PM
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6. If the deputy loses his job.
the county won't have to pay for his bloated pension.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:10 PM
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20. not true
WA state law enforcement officers use the LEOFF-II system. depending on how long he has had on the dept. he gets back (at a minimum) what he put in the system.

WA state does not have a true pension style plan. they use a "high 5" 403(b) plan.

so, he will get back AT LEAST his contributions plus interest.

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pattmarty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:50 AM
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65. I don't know what you mean by "bloated" pension, but what..............
.................exactly in the fuck does his pension have to do with him being a fucktard criminal? Yeah, I hope he's convicted and loses all employment benefits and yeah he's a piece of shit, but "bloated pension"??????????
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:20 PM
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7. This needs to be on the Greatest page for people to see.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:25 PM
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30. it's awful
and i say that as somebody who has been in many uses of force (but no complaints) at every level.

there is NO justification i can see for his use of force, and they appear malicious and punitive, which rises AT LEAST to the level of assault IVth which is what he is being charged with.

it's pretty egregious. considering she had no injuries (apart from transient pain at the time of the incident), it's just misdemeanor assault,. but it is still TOTALLY over the line.

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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:48 AM
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96. He's punching her in the head while she's laying on concrete
He slams her into what is probably a concrete wall. Those blows to the head look to be the most serious matter--she's on the ground with another officer there, and she looks to be a 100 lb girl who's not resisting. Does anyone seriously think those blows missed? It could be argued he's using the floor and the wall as weapons. I'd say a couple of tons of concrete should count as a weapon. She needs to be evaluated for a head injury. In Washington State, you can increase the charge to Assault in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd degree if the injury required medical treatment, so they were smart not to send her to the hospital.

The prosecutor has used his charging discretion here to exercise some leniency. Maybe the deputy is not such a bad guy, but it does not come across on this videotape.

This is an officer who has shot two people in the line of duty, with one fatality. He was exonerated both times, but now we know he has a temper, so who knows? He could still be charged, though I doubt anyone would be interested in reexamining those questions.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:39 PM
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136. filing standards
"The prosecutor has used his charging discretion here to exercise some leniency. "

no. he hasn't. the prosecutor has to believe he can charge each element of the crime beyond a reasonable doubt.

i've investigated tons of assaults. Assaults I, II , III, and IV

and i've charged them in WA state, so i am aware of the filing standards here.

unless he can prove the elements of a higher assault, he can't charge it. and he can't since there is no evidence the assault met the higher standard of injury, etc.

one "could" argue that he was using the floor and walls as weapons. but that's a loser theory. are u aware of the filing standards in king county.

i've charged plenty of assaults where suspects did things similar to what this cop did. they were all assault IV. it is consistent with filing standards and the RCW.

the most salient fact is that she suffered no "serious" or "substantial" (these are the words used in the RCW) injuries.

the assault IS (imo) way over the line, but that doesn't make it a felony. rule of law matters. for EVERYBODY including criminal suspects.

"This is an officer who has shot two people in the line of duty, with one fatality. He was exonerated both times, but now we know he has a temper, so who knows? He could still be charged, though I doubt anyone would be interested in reexamining those questions."

that's entirely irrelevant, inadmissible in the trial, etc.

those cases were judged on their merits. in both shootings, there were numerous witnesses to INCLUDE civilian witnesses and those witnesses corroborated the officer's account.

we have a rule of law and a presumption of innocence (in court). he appears guilty as fuck in this case. that does not mean that he did anything criminally wrong in the prior shootings.

heck, even people with prior murder convictions can be involved in a justified shoot.

we judge a case based on the fact pattern. the fact that he had 2 prior shootings says exactly zero about this case.

if you look at the fact patterns in those cases, they appear justified. heck, neither was even a close call in my opinion.

i have no idea whether or not he is a bad guy. i would suspect *pure speculation here* based on the reports by the other girl that the victim girl had been needling the officer since the time of arrest, that he simply "lost it" and went WAY overboard.

does that make it a criminal assault? imo, yes.

it appeared not just excessive, but malicious and punitive and disproportionate to the amount of force required.

but i'm not going to use a broad and prejudiced brush to therefore conclude (or suspect) that his prior shootings were unjustified.


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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #136
161. If the level of violence seen in this video is no more than assult IV, there is something seriously
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 08:40 PM by rhett o rick
wrong with our system. What this officer did warrants his firing at minimum and I believe a lot more. He has no business having the level of authority of a policeman if he can't control his violence. You may wish to judge the seriousness of this crime by the amount of damage apparently caused, I wish to judge on the officer's intent. What is the intent when you are hitting as hard as you can, someone helpless? The public perceives that policeman get preferential treatment from the DA. I wouldn't be surprised. This type of action and lack of punishment alienates the public from our policemen. We see case after case of policeman beating people and killing people with no punishment, or minimal punishment. This is the United States not Russia.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:01 PM
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162. You're right, of course
Sometimes defendants are over-charged because prosecutors would like to make an example of them. In my community, I'd rather have a prosecutor inclined to base charges on things such as the circumstances of the crime and the criminal code, and to do so on a fairly narrow basis. On the other hand, if a peace officer does something like this in video, it makes you wonder what else he's done when not on video--I doubt having a teenaged girl kick her shoe off at him is the worst provocation he's had.

Like I said, I doubt anyone would be interested in examining anything he's ever done, but maybe they should be. Sometimes prosecutors do charge folks for things that they cannot prove BARD. It happens--at least, it does here in Durham.

I'm glad you folks up there believe in the rule of law. I was just curious as to whether there was anything either the prosecutor's office or anyone else up there could/would do to send a signal that merciless beatings of teenaged girls in police custody would result in anything other than assault IV.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 02:07 PM
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186. it's child abuse
adults can't strike children and minors just because they "give lip" or kick their shoes off.

I'm sick to death of folks NOT KNOWING the law but spouting it - prosecutors finding ways to not charge --

Consider if the video incident was that of a parent striking/beating their child for mouthing off and tossing their shoes. The charge would be simple, felon child abuse - that is what is shown in the video.

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suzanner Donating Member (396 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:26 PM
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8. horrible
These are supposed to be grown men.
I'm not married and people wonder why..............
Not that I'd kick my shoes off at my arresting officer, but seems like for certain men, it doesn't matter what the gesture, their ego must be satiated by pulverizing the woman, figuratively or physically.
Bullies. The epidemic nobody wants to talk about.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:30 PM
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9. Welcome to DU, suzanner.
:patriot:

:toast:
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1620rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:30 PM
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10. Fu*king pigs.
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pasto76 Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:44 PM
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12. there is a thing called "proportional force"
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 10:51 PM by pasto76
was the response reasonable to the threat? An officer cant shoot someone with a shotgun for raising his fists. Even in Iraq, we were not allowed to shoot at people throwing rocks at us. Proportionate force.

So the kick off the shoe action that I see in this video is almost laughable. She may have had a shitty attitude, but clearly, there is no reason for the beating she got.

This obvious tough guy need to go clear mines and IEDs in afghanistan, after that, maybe he could consider himself a man.

SGT PASTO
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:11 PM
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21. undeniably
the force was TOTALLY disproportional, punitive, and imo criminal.

he has a right to trial, but the frigging tape speaks for itself as far as i am concerned. he looks guilty as fuck.

and i speak as a guy who has 2 decades in law enforcement and zero complaints of excessive force.

i've used every level of force, but no complaints, fwiw.
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trthnd4jstc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #21
36. G-d Bless you. You'll do not have an easy job. n/t
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:13 AM
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37. thx nt
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #12
67. Good clarification
An appropriate response would have been to keep the shoes.
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chimpyisstillsatan Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #12
111. Doug Feith and the rest of the neo-cons
...had a good laugh over that one. Proportional. Heh.

Plenty of Iraqi kids have been killed for throwing rocks, or for having the audacity to be in the same neighborhood as someone who was throwing rocks.

Ehrin Watada is a real man.
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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:56 PM
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129. What does Iraq have to do with it?
I agree domestically that is the law, but Rumsfeld set up a system where anything goes in Iraq. Where no American could be held responsible for any crime either in Iraq or back in America. The Army still had to hold up some form of discipline, but the Army Field Manual was obviously not strictly followed (ie. torture). I have heard of numerous reports of night raids that sweep through 'suspect' neighborhoods, where groups of soldiers bust down a door in the wee morning hours shooting at anything that moves too sudden, killing kids even, and drag away sons and fathers to rot in Abu Graib without trials. And at least the Army had some form of recourse and reprimand (when they were caught), but for Blackwater and other "security forces" they could have beat up girls all day every day without recrimination of any kind. They laughed at "Proportionate Force".

Actually I should use the present tense on those statements. With the lax news coverage its hard to know there even is a war still raging.
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sarah FAILIN Donating Member (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:48 PM
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13. They were making here kick off her shoes to
keep from hanging herself with the shoe strings. Most places just take the strings...
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:58 PM
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14. Welcome to DU!!!!
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #8
39. Oh. Suzanner.
Welcome to the DU.
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edc Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #8
70. Never strike a woman, even with a flower
Most men (cops included) never assault anyone, physically or otherwise. When it comes to verbal abuse, women tend to give as good as they get. The militancy and violence that has infected many police departments is not the result of any defect in cops per se, but rather in the politicians who give grants for equipment and training that encourage an 'us versus them" mentality within these departments. That issue needs to be addressed.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #70
85. exactly right, edc, we saw it in ...


...prince georges county maryland where they harassed a reporter and waged a war on the Mayor's dogs. All these police forces of various sizes and some in very low crime areas have been infused with all that 'homeland security' money. Some are itching to use it. most cops are good, law abiding people. The job does seem to attract some sadists, however, who aren't above tackling 15 year old girls.

It used to be that their credo was to protect and serve, it was accepted by applicants that it could be a dangerous job and if you died protecting the public you were a hero. More recently, because of cases of cops getting killed, cops own safety has been elevated above the safety of the innocent public. As in the case of the Mayor, and in many other under-reported cases, they simply shoot people's dogs as a precaution because maybe the dog came to investigate the sudden break-in. It's simply wrong for the cops to elevate their own safety concerns above those of their employers, the tax paying, innocent 'til proven guilty public that is increasingly caught in the cross-fire. These cases demand a public outcry.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 10:42 PM
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11. He plead not guilty?
Unbelievable.
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:00 PM
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15. Not guilty of what?
The charge must have been something utterly innocuous like "theft" for him to be able to plead that way.

I would like to see an automatic maximum sentence if the court finds a not-guilty plea to have been frivolous. Unfortunately it is exceptionally difficult to get any cop convicted of anything.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:12 PM
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22. he was charged with
ASSAULT 4th degree RCW 9a.36.041.

that's what he plead not guilty too.

as explaiend in the other post, it's a pretrial arraignment. NOBODY pleads anything but not guilty at those things.

i say that as a WA state cop who has seen scores of trials.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:37 PM
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106. My cousin works for the SPD
...used to work in the evidence room. There are a lot of good people on the force and I am sorry to see this happen. These people are under a great deal of pressure. I am no fan of the Police System, but I also have to admit it is not a job I could handle. It is a tough job ~ especially if you are a progressive person who is not power-hungry but who truly wants to see justice prevail ~ and it often does *not* prevail. Still, as a human being you can only take so much ...

I am *not* making excuses for this man as it broke my heart for the young woman who suffered his blows. But the whole System is just so ...sick is all. When they hire, they work hard at weeding out those "police wannabes" who are egotistical power hungry idiots, but sometimes a person is good at hiding their tendencies, or sometimes the job literally goes to their head ~ and not just with the ego, it is also with the heart, as it is so wearing on the soul.

As a protester and general rabble rouser myself, my cousin and I joke about our different positions in life. I will threaten that if I see him, I will run across the lines and give him a hug and he jokes that he will "save some tear gas for me ..." LOL!

Love
Cat In Seattle
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:00 PM
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16. Fucking Pigs
the problem is that this isn't isolated..it goes on ALL the time, everywhere, every day and it's covered up by other chicken shit cops...no wonder some people feel like shooting the shit out of them!
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:13 PM
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23. except
this wasn't covered up. give props to the detective who discovered the tape and immediately notified a supervisor.
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:25 PM
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29. This is an abberation
can you imagine how much gets covered up..I have heard of so many cases in which this shit goes on and is denied by the cops. I used to work in juvenile justice....
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:27 PM
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31. i'm saying
it depends (to some extent) on the agency, but this case was not covered up, and that deserves mention. an officer discovered the misconduct and did the right thing. just like cops should get scorn for covering shit up, they should be recognized when they DON'T and do the right thing.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:56 AM
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50. the officer that reported this definitely deserves props
I agree.

I fear that the ones who do report stuff like this are too often ignored/punished/silenced/laughed at, ...whatever. (deny, blame, minimize). I fear that because - you hear those horror stories where someone does report misconduct like this and they're essentially ignored or punished for reporting it. I think it's likely that if they want (whoever runs things) to hide/bury abuse and misconduct bad enough - they will - even if it is reported by an honest officer or investigator.

I'd like to think that most of the time anyway, these types of reports are taken very seriously, nonetheless.
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tonycinla Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:45 AM
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59. Not really!
The "good" cop was simply doing his job he does not need special recognition.What about the other cop who was in the cell with the idiot cop,he should be reprimanded if he did nothing.
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:53 AM
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97. No, he deserves props for not joining in
That's what the Milgram experiments showed. Maybe he had harsh words for the deputy in private, who knows.
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #59
119. Yep..
... for Failing to report a crime and IMHO, is also an accessory to the crime for essentially holding her down while the officer struck her...

He abandoned his civil duty and service by not stopping the assault and placing the other officer under arrest. Time and time again, if you strike another person in the presence of an officer, you are immediately placed under arrest. I have never seen anyone get out of that charge whether it be a man or a woman.

It's a shame when there is indeed 2 separate Rules\Codes of Law:

For the average citizen: Full enforcement of the law arrest, jailed, etc...

For those in the 'special' classes: Total hypocrisy, especially when it is so obvious that a 'CRIME' was committed.


If that had been 'most' of us, we'd be sitting in a jail cell

Look at the 'elites', they can lie, murder and steal and remain home to do business as usual

:shrug:

:rant:
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:22 PM
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164. Until the Blue Code of Silence is gone, I give none
Police have the power to destroy a person's life and in this "the cops can do no wrong" society of ours, most people will allow that to happen.

I do not believe that police will do the right thing and turn each other in. How many crooked cops do you know, Paulsby? Or did you know since you sound like you were a LEO?

Did you turn any of them in, or did you fear the response of being labeled a rat?

Police have turned into legalized street gangs and goon squads. I'm beginning to have more respect for drug dealers! At least drug dealers don't have the pretense that they are trying to help you.
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:21 AM
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62. This is a rarity because the VAST majority of cops cover for their buddies.
We only see a fraction of the abusive behavior of the cops. When you consider the chances of actually being able to video them brutalizing citizens, the number of incidents that are not revealed must be magnified thousand of times. Just what type of person is attracted to this type of job?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:22 PM
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121. and of course you have
statistical evidence, not mere assertions that the (quote) VAST MAJORITY of cops cover for their buddies?

of course not. but demeaning a whole group of people w/o evidence to support it is very "progressive" isn't it?

i've seen misconduct by defense attorneys (suborning perjury). i wouldn't say the VAST MAJORITY do that without actual evidence.

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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:06 PM
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17. the same cop was investigated in 2006 for shooting...

a mentally disturbed guy during a traffic stop. He claimed that he thought the guy was going to get a weapon so he shot him eleven times, killing him. The investigation called it justified...this time this orifice should at least lose he job and do a little time.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:09 PM
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19. Well, that settles that.
Not that this video wasn't enough. At any rate, the fact that he plead 'not guilty' is beyond ridiculous.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:18 PM
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25. it's what
EVERY defendant does at arraignment.

even if they are, as this officer clearly is, guilty as fuck.

one reason is, for example, there has not been evidentiary hearings yet.

if the defense attorney can get the tape suprressed (i see no reason to see why he could, but stranger things have happened), for instance, the cop might have a defense.

but given the tape, it's quite likely he will plead guilty ONCE the later phases start.

like i said, i've been a cop in WA a long time. NOBODY pleads guilty prior to evidentiary hearings (3.5 3.6 etc.).

that is what everybody does.

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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:20 PM
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27. Thanks for the info.
:)
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:16 PM
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24. that shooting WAS justified
i am a cop in WA state and recall the incident. even the suspect he had in the back of the car (he had seen the car reckless on the freeway and pulled the car over with the prisoner in back) said that the guy was trying to kill the officer. there was a long drawn out wrestling match int he side of the freeway and when the guy ran back to the car and reached into the compartment, the officer shot him.

THAT was justified.

this incident, clearly imo, is NOT justified.

he may serve time. very rarely does anybody serve time for this type of assault 4th degree (i've investigated scores of them) where there were no serious injuries, and it's a first offense.

but given his profession he may.

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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:25 AM
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63. Give me a break. He was shot 11 times?????
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:01 AM
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68. I believe that when deadly force is used...
police officers are instructed to empty their clips. That would be 1 in the chamber and 10 in the clip.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #68
138. i am a firearms instructor
and teach police officers use of firearms.

they are not taught specifgically to empty their clip. they are taught to fire until the threat is eliminated.

frequently that means they do empty their clip.

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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:41 PM
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137. so what?
i;ve investigated and been involved in shooting where that many shots were fired, and they were justified. i won't speak to facts of my shootings (for obvious reasons), but there is a kneejerk reaction among laypeople who have not studied use of force and legal issues surrounding use of force that (for example) 11 shots is prima facie unreasonable.

it's not.

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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #137
165. Like the kid in SF who was hand cuffed and shot in the back and killed by the Transit officer?
Or the black man who was shot 47 times while reaching for his wallet in NY?

Or the black man who was killed by police leaving his bachelor party, unarmed?

Or the police officer tackled a bicycle rider because he felt threatened, even though the video showed the bicycle rider doing nothing except riding his bicycle (Olbermann covered that one)?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=excessive+gun+poli...
Sorry, Charlie. . .your positions don't hold water.

If you EVER covered up ANY of your fellow officers' misdeed, you're just as guilty.
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:14 PM
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141. Did it look to you as if she was found guilty of "Contempt of Cop"?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:58 PM
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153. yes
the other kid even said that the victim had been needling the cop since the time of the arrest. apparently the lackadaisacally kicked shoe was his final straw.

it appears like a man out of control, and using WAY more force than was necessary.

cops aint perfect and in many cases excessive force is essentially what an average untrained person would do in response to a provocation, but that doesn't make it right.

imo, and i;m willing to be persuaded otherwise given evidence, this crossed the line beyond excessive force (a civil issue) into criminal assault.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:31 PM
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166. Yes, because getting under someone's skin is grounds for beating the shit out of them
I'll tell my mother that next time one of her students needles her all day. I'll tell her to get the to the "Straw that breaks the camel's back" moment and let her anger fly.

Hell, if the police van justify assault like that, why not teachers?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:30 PM
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179. do you have a problem with reading comprehension?
i didn't say it was grounds. i said it was criminal frigging assault

how difficult is that for you to understand?

what i said is that it looked like the REASON (not EXCUSE) was that the cop lost it after the "final straw"

doesn't make it right.

lots of people will try to provoke you into a violent response.

i see it several times a week

officers MUST resist the urge to retaliate.

it's that simple.

don't put words in my mouth.

i never justified what this officer did. you are completely misrepresenting my posts.
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 05:39 AM
Response to Reply #179
183. But this officer didn't. As such, whatever a normal citizen would face
should be magnified and made higher. He has a higher standard.

This guy should be fired and imprisoned.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:21 PM
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187. that's a seperate issue
if you are discussing penalty, assuminga guilty determination is made, imo he should get probation. obviously he should get fired (thats the civil aspect). ime, first offender assault IV defendants (especially where there is such little injury) get probation.

he should get the same.

but that's my opinion. i am pretty sure you differ.

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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:30 AM
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41. I'd rather see him do a lot of time. nt
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:38 PM
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32. This is ridiculous
Child Protective Services should be involved in this case. If this is not child abuse then what the hell is it. If the parents where caught beating a teen like this they'd be in jail with their pictures plastered across the TV. Where the hell is Gloria Allred?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 11:59 PM
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33. not in WA state
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 12:00 AM by paulsby
it is not considered child abuse, nor is it under the jurisdiction of CPS when a cop or neighbor or random person beats up a juvenile.

example: a 16 yr old calls you an asshole. you punch him in the mouth. that is assault 4th degree, it is not "child abuse"

if it's YOUR kid, it's child abuse (but it's also assault 4th degree)

child abuse is covered under Revised Code of Washington (our Penal Code) 26.44, and is committed by a parent, guardian, etc.

assault by a cop on any person (child or adult) is a custodial assault (in that they are in custody) however those are covered by RCW 9a.36... (assault) and are not considered "child abuse" under the law.

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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:01 AM
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34. Dayum
That's unsettling. Thanks for info.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:04 AM
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35. no problem
it's an assault either way.

child abuse is just a special kind of assault that is defined by the relationship between the parties.

it's like if i punch you in the nose, that's assault 4th degree.

if you are my brother, and i punch you in the nose, it's assault 4th degree, but it's also domestic violence. it doesn't change the criminal statute (rcw 9a.36.041) but if it's domestic violence, additional procedures and safeguards apply. it's also a mandatory arrest for cops to make if it's domestic violence, but not if it's a garden variety assault.
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Hulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:20 AM
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38. I hope the sue this son of a bitch for everything HE has....and King Co.
This pathetic prick needs to be canned, arrested and tossed behind bars himself!!

That was one of the most horrific video tapes I've EVER seen!
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:27 AM
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40. OMG! And then he dragged her up by her hair!
He needs to be in prison--and she should end up owning that city!
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lebkuchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:21 AM
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42. The stuff I see US cops doing to citizens these days is an outrage
incredibly uncivilized. I fear for the US. I'll visit only when I have to.

Fucking pigs.
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:59 AM
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44. holy fucking shit
:grr:
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:39 AM
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45. Lesson -- Cops are hair trigger Streetfighters in Fear Mode
Do Not Antagonize them, especially when they have the right to kick the shit out of you.

The Cops are way out of line here, and even if she did kick her show out the door, the response was similar to Israel attacking Gaza. Overwhelming and inappropriate.

Kinda like Oscar Grant in Oakland California. You know, the young black guy who was shown cooperating with BArt Cops then thrown to the floors and summarily executing while several cops are kneeling on his neck.

The rough Cops are just deveoping their resume for their next job at XE (Blackwater)
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tclambert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:26 AM
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58. If you said "some cops" I would heartily agree, but many cops get it.
They try to weed out the bullies, but the job attracts that personality type. Let's face it, if you are a bully, being a cop would be your dream job. Some can hide that proclivity through academy and probation, and then reveal their true nature. But good cops really do want to protect and serve.

You might note that only one officer was charged. The second officer did not engage in any egregious violence. He just did his job.

I sat on a jury in a civil case in which two deputies were sued for excessive force in an arrest. The good cop was just talking to the guy when the second one jumped on him from out of nowhere. The first cop then jumped in to back up his partner. The case was pretty obvious. The only complicating factors were that the victim did act like a jerk, and he was huge. He outweighed the two deputies put together. So they kept escalating the violence until they could see they hurt him. He never did fight back. He was just slow to comply.

You're right to say, "Do Not Antagonize them" because you never know what kind of cop you're dealing with, or what baggage he's carrying from previous encounters.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:11 AM
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71. The second cop is guilty as hell, too...and, should be charged...
He's an officer of the law, he saw a crime in progress, and he did nothing to stop it. In fact, he helped facilitate it by holding down her legs, while the other one beat her in the head.

They're both pigs.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:50 PM
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139. The partner is autonomically supporting his partner
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 04:52 PM by Grinchie
And that is the trouble. When these people go into protection mode, the brain shuts down, adrenals kick in, and the muscles and legs get all the blood, that the forward brain shuts down and the autonomic, trained actions take over. It's basic survival.

Unfortunately, the reasoning brain is dialed down low in order for the defensive and autonomic systems to kick in, resulting in automatic response, which in this case, is just rote memory, much like driving a car while talking on a cell phone.

If one takes an example of the Army, you can see that the Generals are usually behind the lines, in their comfy, secure command post, directing the scared shitless, deadly but unthinking troops toward the mission. It is a rare person that has such panic resistance that can actually think rationally in a life and death situation.

For Cops, they are trained to react to anything as a life and death situation, and when one Cop uses unecessary violence, it triggers a defensive reaction in others, who react without considering the magnitude of their actions.

I think the best example of this is described by Bruce Lipton - The New Biology - Where Mind and Matter Meet ... on Google video.

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cwcats Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:13 AM
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47. clear case to me
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:19 AM
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48. She kicks her shoe at his feet and that is his response?
I have a feeling he will be in a cell of his own soon...
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:56 AM
Response to Reply #48
99. Probation
No doubt, he will not do any jail time on this charge.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:35 PM
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122. not only that
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 02:36 PM by SemperEadem
but the whole community will rally around him for what a hero he was and that the little wh0re deserved to get the shit beat out of her because she put the whole community in danger when she kicked a shoe. Watch...

(ETA: /sarcasm)
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:00 PM
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155. that would be par for the course for a citizen
with no priors and the fact pattern here. i say that because i have investigated SCORES of assault IV's and i know what first time offenders get for this offense (probation) in most cases.

but i would not assume the cop won't get any time. ime, cops are generally given stiffer penalties for offenses like this. the benefit they have is that jurors give them more credibility than the average suspect or citizen witness. but when it comes to sentencing it is not my experience that they get cut any breaks.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:43 AM
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49. I hope this kid gets a good attorney
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 04:44 AM by Politicalboi
How can this cop be so stupid. I'm glad he was caught but doesn't he think about the camera's? Is there a way they can erase the tape but this time they didn't for some reason. I mean how did he go this long without getting caught. This anger doesn't just happen one night. Maybe other cops are sick of this asshole too. You can see him look up at the camera when he comes to look over the crime scene. Fry this asshole. It looked like she said something that got him mad. I can't believe this is the first time for this asshole.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:09 AM
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51. I wonder if she even meant to kick her shoe off? It looks like she was just throwing a tantrum and
kicked the air in vain. Though, come on. A shoe? Did he think she was a shoe bomber?

I can't believe the way he is grabbing her and almost lifting her up by the hair. This guy is a loose canon and should be off the force. If he reacts like this to a 15 year old girl in the safety of his own brightly lit turf with a partner at his side, I can't imagine what sort of shit he would pull if he was in a truly stressful situation. The man is sick.
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LeftCoastNinja Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:17 AM
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52. I am getting tired of this crap!!!
As a college student I recently got assaulted the the police, put in the hospital. I was released that same night to be taken down to the local jail. After brutalizing my body for "suspected" things, I still don't know what, I was released with no charges, and now owe the hospital over $1000 in bills due to an ambulance ride and a so called "check up". They took my blood illegally (for alcohol), and of course when my blood limit contained not the needed amount (no where close to the legal limit) they threw me around and put me in jail for one night. Weird thing is they never charged me for anything. They just let me go the next day, apparently I was an "enemy combatant", the local police said they could hold me for "anything". I am sick an tired of officers who have no fucking degrees getting away with this. People think these are isolated incidents, they are not. Apparently being Native American passes for whatever "suspected" gang bangers these idiots are looking for. I am tired of it. I tell you, when things like this happen, you feel you have been raped (legally). I have had no troubles with the law and no record at all, but that doesn't matter, as long as your look like who they want to get.
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #52
75. Have you consulted a lawyer? Your medical bills, at the very least, should be covered.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:19 AM
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53. This is outrageous
A grown man beating on a teenage girl? It seems that such stories have become rather common lately, possibly a reflection of the last horrible eight years.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:42 AM
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54. Top story on the nooze on Friday.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 05:43 AM by SeattleGirl
As it should be.

I'm so sick and tired of some cops thinking they have carte blanche to do whatever they want, just because they wear a uniform.

No, I don't hate cops.

Not overall.

But I do get really, REALLY pissed at those who abuse their position and their uniform.

Assholes.

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LittleGirl Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:53 AM
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56. I keep thinking about my niece
It could have been her. Thank god, Big brother saved the day today with that video.
If I saw a cop twice her size assault her like that, well, I don't know what I'd do. My niece was arrested for a DUI (a couple of years ago). She was drunk, but if they had assaulted her like that, OMG, I'm just enraged. I don't care if that teen mouthed off, she was unarmed, she was half that cops size and defenseless. To pull her up by her hair? Well, that just goes to show you how much of a neanderthal he is.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:20 AM
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61. Faced with a mouthy kid, the guy could either shut the door and lock it or
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 08:20 AM by Vinca
beat the shit out of her. And he's pleading not guilty???? The lawyers must be lined up around the block.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:34 AM
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64. Those cock-suckers. If they walk I will be beyond words
Mr. Obama needs to reign in the damage done by the law-and-order republicans. In my city, cops can drive drunk, kill someone, leave the scene, and not get arrested. It is obscene.

The law enforcement / legal system here is a real racket. It is a machine that turns ordinary citizens into criminals for petty sentances and large ongoing fines.

The law-and-order platform of the republican party needs to be slapped back into place
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debannbull Donating Member (90 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:17 PM
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156. GT County perhaps?
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:53 AM
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66. Could be roid rage
Fifteen percent of any group will be assholes. The cop is in that fifteen percent. Was he drug tested? Does he still carry a loaded weapon? There is an element among many police officers that it's us against them, with us or with the terrorists. This guy is part of the Bush hangover that afflicts the nation. The authoritarians who view this must be getting excited. Nobody said you have to be smart to carry a gun, and it appears that in this case mental competence isn't a factor either.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:04 AM
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69. Why is there only one officer charged? The
bastard who kicked, slammed against a wall, pulled her hair to throw her to the ground and, once down, struck this girl with his fist twice, and the douchebag who watched him do it, and helped him handcuff her...after which he got her second shoe and threw it out the door, both should be charged.

They are both pricks.

Why didn't the second officer stop the first one? He's guilty, too.
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Highway61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:11 AM
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72. Oh. My. God.
WTF!!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:30 AM
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73. OMG.
I can't even watch this, just knowing what it's about and reading this thread is enough. I have a 20 year old daughter and lemme tell ya, if this asshole had assaulted her I would be working to make his life a living hell.

We could start with the message "Welcome to hatin' life Motherfucker" and then let the misery begin.

Julie--she-bear when it comes to protecting my kids
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kenichol Donating Member (198 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:33 AM
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74. It made me cry, it made me cringe
Here in Otero County New Mexico, we recently had a deputy shoot and kill an unarmed man he had HANDCUFFED. Admittedly, the guy was an Aryan creep who had killed the deputy's partner and a young woman, but he was handcuffed. The deputy tried to hide the video (shot from his car), but it eventually was found. The deputy was found guilty (thank the Goddess for THAT), and only sentenced to 1 year. Now, he has a book out.
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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:38 AM
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76. Abel Ferrara's "Bad Lieutenant" provides a detailed
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 09:39 AM by rhymeandreason
portrait of an irredeemably corrupt, rotten-to-the-core cop.

Here is clip from it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qI60RZ0Gr4

The Bush era enabled and nurtured this kind of depraved, abusive and emotionally crippled sensibility. From "Shock and Awe" in Iraq, to institutionalized torture and murder, to the militarization of municipal police forces, too many have become careless of their responsibility to "protect and serve" and more interested in the gratuitous and destructive uses of authority.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:51 AM
Response to Reply #76
77. Man, I don't know what made me more emotional-
Seeing the OP's clip, or this scene.

The whole message to protect and serve certainly gets fucked up.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #76
105. Um...it's a MOVIE.....
fiction...get it....
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:53 AM
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78. What did she say to them when she kicked in their direction? Anyone know?
It's hard to tell, when there's no sound.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #78
149. and that matters? n/t
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PerpetuallyDazed Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:04 AM
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79. ...
Oh my god... oh my god, that's so brutal :(

She's a freaking TEENAGER, he has NO RIGHT!!! :grr:
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:11 AM
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80. Police brutality ...the fun part of law enforcement!
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:43 AM
Response to Reply #80
87. While this is horrendous and reprehensible, it's quite clear....
that you have zero idea what you're talking about other than to be childish and inflammatory.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #87
91. Actually ...it's on one of my t-shirts that I bought at an Army/Navy store.
Damn blog nazis are everywhere these days ....save it for someone who gives a shit about what you think!
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #91
92. I'll save it for someone who with enough intelligence enought to know....
how not to be such a braying jackass.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #92
93. Enjoy your visit here ...and welcome to my ignore dungeon!
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 11:10 AM by L0oniX
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #93
94. Being ignored by a petulant, bleating clerk is no loss.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:40 PM
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. Ah, yet another bracing demonstration of razorlike discussion skills.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:05 PM
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #131
134. You seem to been reliving some sort of emotional trauma unrelated to this thread
Anytime you'd like to address what I actually said in an adult manner, I'd be happy to respond further.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:25 PM
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125. Did you bring anything else to the table, Mr. Ad Hominem?
Or are you just here on "secret stealthy mission?" :eyes:

Either way, your tolerance for police brutality is intolerable. I suggest you read up on the rule of law, the social contract between the public and public servants, and the psychological impact of authoritarian violence.

Of course, I'm sure you'll just fling a few insults my way, instead. So it goes.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #125
127. I'm sorry, but what I was responding to was both inflammatory and childish
And I clear came down on the side against what the deputy did, calling it horrendous and reprehensible. I have never met a LEO who supports or engages in the behavior exhibited on the tape.

Kindly show me exactly how that can be interpreted as 'tolerance for police brutality'. Frankly, I don't think you will, since you have so obviously and purposefully misrepresented what I was saying in my post.

Go ahead, I'll wait.
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #127
130. So...now you're telepathic? That's awesome!
since you have so obviously and purposefully misrepresented what I was saying in my post.

Kindly explain your use of the highlighted word in the quote above.

I understand there may be a delay while you put on your Telepathy Hat.

Go ahead, I'll wait.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #130
133. There is no other logical reason for you having done so, unless
you didn't know what those two words meant, and I feel pretty comfortable that you do.

So, then, back to you explaining how what I said supports police brutality.

Go ahead.
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #87
135. What the fuck is your problem?
Every single one of your posts is a personal attack. Are you on a bad drunk or something?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:08 PM
Response to Reply #135
140. My guess is that Ignored is most likely from the other camp, trying to provoke squabbles by insultin...
with put downs like they do in high school. After searching for Ignored's comments in other threads, it seemed that a life sentence in my ignore dungeon until he is tombstoned was an appropriate action. So far I am batting over 60% of those in my dungeon have been TS'd.

Cheers

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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:47 PM
Response to Reply #135
143. What are you talking about? The rhetoric used was inflammatory
and exactly the kind of crap that people bemoan here as being typical the other side.

My problem is when people do this and think they can remain unchallenged.

You may have noticed how some posters have exposed how they are utterly incapable of addressing things in a reasonable manner.

Are you that way as well?
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. We are talking about you carrying on like a drunk.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 06:10 PM by Brucie Kibbutz
From one thread to the next, you insult people. One person after another posts that they're putting you on ignore after you're done attacking them but it's *everyone else's* problem isn't it? Everybody else is unreasonable except for you.

It's way past time you got some help for your problem.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #145
147. My problem is with those who either cannot or will not think.
Since you claim to have read these threads where people have put me on ignore, you will have noticed that they are routinely emotional and lack any rationality when attempting to address an issue.

No one is carrying on like a drunk here, other than those drunk on Chicken Little histrionics.

You have my pity in your inability to think. Logically or otherwise.

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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:46 PM
Response to Reply #147
151. Who did you vote for in November?
be honest
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #151
154. Unfortunately, no one, as my balloting materials never arrived.
And this is relevant exactly how?
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #154
157. how convenient
No surprise that you didn't vote for President Obama. It's quite clear that you are just a troll.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #157
167. The troll, dear apparatchik, is the one who can't stay on topic and....
attempts to change the subject since he/she doesn't have a defensible position.

Rather like you.

I'm sorry that you life your life in such fear. Good luck with that, as I'm done with you.
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #167
171. I look forward to watching you throw more fits.
There is nothing to debate about this video. There are no "positions" to take regarding it. Your posts in this thread and others is plenty of evidence that you don't have an interest in the subject being discussed. You only want to attack anyone that runs afoul of your strange code for acceptable behavior.The only position you defend is that you are brilliant and everyone else is stupid.

Go sober up and get yourself some help.
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tanngrisnir3 Donating Member (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #171
174. I've never defended what occured in the video. I condemned it.
Look, I know that you've dug yourself into a hole, and you can't defend what you've said about the positions I've stated.

That's OK.

Do yourself a favor, look back over what I've posted, and you'll see that you've been chasing your own tail over and over here.

What I condemned was the statement of the person I originally responded to.

What I now condemn is your utter dishonesty and your lack of fortitude to admit as much. You resort to ad hominem attacks, and you are deathly afraid of facing up to what you've said.

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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #174
176. I never said you defended anything in the video.
I merely mentioned that I wonder why you keep acting like such a freeper asshole. understand?
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #157
170. Dude, you really need to chill the fuck out with the newbie insults.
Against DU rules. Expressly.

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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #170
172. Normally I wouldn't say anything.
I can understand people having disagreements but he starts in on people over nothing every time he posts and I'm obviously not the only one that is tired of it. If my behavior is against the rules, then I apologize to the moderators but I don't regret anything I've said.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #172
173. First, you need to go back and read his initial post. He did NOT defend the video.
The only thing he's taken issue with are the kneejerk, broadbrush "all cops are evil" bullshit. That seems a rather reasonable position to me.

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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #173
175. I didn't say that he defended anything
other than his need to insult people every time he opens his sewer. He's not taking an issue with people's criticisms of cops, either. He's using other people's comments as an opportunity to justify spewing his freeper ideals.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #175
177. I just re-read the subthread AGAIN. He pretty much responded in kind after initially being attacked
His first post wasn't an insult--it was a pointed response to a really, really stupid post. And then everybody just piled right on. Hell, look at Binka's post, which should have been insta-deleted. You wanna talk sewer? Please.
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Brucie Kibbutz Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #177
178. I'm sorry you are offended.
I've got no problem with you, whether you like what I say or not. I made the decision to address this because it is a recurring problem with him. He's not ending up on people's ignore lists by accident.
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chimpyisstillsatan Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #80
112. and a logical career move for soldiers. nt
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #80
184. This is sarcasm right... If it is, then I'd agree because this is
getting common and out of hand. Plus the other cop was a trainee, is he supposed to take those actions as normal?!
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:14 AM
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81. Excessive force without a doubt.
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Fla Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:19 AM
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82. News article re: assault and resulting criminal charges.....
Last updated February 12, 2009 10:06 p.m. PT

King County deputy charged with fourth-degree assault on teen girl
By MIKE BARBER
P-I REPORTER

Following an investigation initiated by his own department, a 31-year-old King County Sheriff's deputy was charged Thursday with fourth-degree assault, accused of physically assaulting a 15-year-old girl in a holding cell in November.

Authorities say the incident was caught on camera.

King County prosecutors charged Deputy Paul Schene with the crime, a gross misdemeanor that carries a maximum penalty of a year in jail. King County Senior Deputy Prosecutor Gary Ernsdorff requested bail be set at $10,000.

Schene, an eight-year veteran, was placed on paid administrative leave in early December after the Sheriff's Office assigned a detective from a work site other than his to investigate. Schene is slated to be arraigned Feb. 26 at the King County Courthouse.

The P-I is not using the girl's name because she is a minor.

Sgt. John Urquhart, spokesman for the Sheriff's Office, said with the criminal investigation completed, the department will launch an internal investigation.

more at link

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/399955_deputyweb13....


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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #82
108. charged with only a misdeanor...thus he can still work a p.o.
By charging the officer with only a misdemeanor allows the officer, even if convicted, to continue a career in law enforcement. If Seattle fires him (or, more likely, allows him to quit in lieu of firing), this officer can and most likely will get hired by some other jurisdiction. Had he been charged and convicted of a felony, he would have to report said felony conviction on any future job application which would make him ineligible for hiring by most law enforcement agencies. This is so typical of law enforcement agencies...I saw this happen time and time again years ago when I was with the Phoenix PD. Instead of appropriately charging (if applicable) an officer who had committed a crime, or firing a "bad apple" officer, they give them the opportunity to quit in lieu of either being fired or being charged, leaving the officer free to pursue employment with another police agency. This is how they "take care of their own"--even the bad ones.
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szatmar666 Donating Member (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:26 AM
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83. what kind of coward hits a woman?!
If this is what the "brave" police does to american women I wonder what's the military doing to "towelheads" in Afghanistan and Iraq?
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #83
107. Actually....kind of a sexist remark if you think of it....
Not that I am condoning this behavior at all....this guy certainly needs to be charged.

But throwing out the blanket statement like you did is sexist and sort of ignorant. Some of the toughest people I know are small women. And in fact, when I was in high school, probably the toughest guy around was a quite small guy.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #107
132. Let's say, what kind of coward hits a woman he is sitting on.
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 04:25 PM by alfredo
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:26 AM
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84. Law Enforcement Needs to Weed these Folks Out
they give all cops a really bad name.
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mt13 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:42 AM
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86. WTF... no words
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RedstDem Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:45 AM
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88. Plead not guilty all ya want asshat
I have a feeling you are.

This sub human needs to spend some time fighting off his peers behind bars.
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veganlush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:54 AM
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90. sad to say but the reason he didn't worry about the camera...

..is probably that he assumed his fellow officers would cover up for him. Whoever turned him in apparently didn't get the memo..

I imagine there are many cases like this that don't see the light of day. In this case, the extreme of a six foot+ adult male

(actually two of them) vs. a 15 year old girl, may have been just too much to overlook. They should make an example of him but

there's a fair chance he'll get off I fear. I hope I'm wrong. 4th degree is inadequate anyway for this.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #90
169. BS....and in a way it's kind of worse....
This guy did what he did most likely out of anger and probably at the time could not care less that it was taped. The interesting thing would have seen how he was sweating after he realized it was on tape.

And when I say it's kind of worse is that anyone in this field realizes how many cameras there are and this guy obviously let his anger drive his actions.

And if he gets off, I for one would be very surprised. This is too blatant of an act to allow that. I bet this guy will see prison time (not jail time, but prison time).
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:15 AM
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95. Deleted message
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:58 AM
Response to Reply #95
100. woah. now that's disproportionate reaction to disproportionate reaction
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #95
101. That's over the line
Fuck this asshole, but cop killers are not cool. Even asshole cops have families that love them.
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chimpyisstillsatan Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #95
113. switch to decaf
and disconnect your "stupid" switch, someone wired it o your keyboard
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #95
116. You really have issues. You need to seek some counseling before you end up in jail. n/t
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:45 PM
Response to Reply #95
150. hey man it makes me angry too , but
Edited on Sat Feb-28-09 06:45 PM by iamthebandfanman
dont let it push ya that far.

the guy definitely better go to jail. hopefully there in he will receive a good ass beating. lord knows the guy deserves to get a beating of a lifetime for that. that was horrible.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #95
185. I love this place but the above posting (#95) disgusts me...
Of course, some will take this as a defense of the officer in the video, but it is not. I hope the guy gets his day in court and is dealt with according to the law and sent to prison. He has shamed the occupation.

But with that, the type of posts that ask where the cop killer is and actively wanting a person killed because he is a cop disgust me.


And it really rankles me when DU will lock a thread that makes fun of Rush Limpball's weight re-gain, but will not delete violent crap like these types of postings.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


So it's easier to get a thread locked over Rush Limpball's weight than one where people call for the killing of someone because of an occupation. Bizarre.

Oh, and by the way - remember when Limpball lost all that weight how he criticized other people for not doing the same thing because they lacked the self-control? THIS is why he was being lampooned - not because he was simply overweight.
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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 11:55 AM
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98. AP article on this incident......King Co. deputy kicking teen girl
Video shows King Co. deputy kicking teen girl
By MANUEL VALDES

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHWVr...

SEATTLE (AP) A King County sheriff's deputy kicks a 15-year-old girl, slams her to the floor of a jail cell, strikes her and pulls her hair in violence captured on videotape. Prosecutors released the surveillance video in Friday in the assault case against Deputy Paul Schene, who is accused of using excessive force on the girl. The footage shows the attack beginning after the girl enters the cell at suburban SeaTac City Hall and kicks off one of her shoes toward the deputy.

Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty to fourth-degree assault in Superior Court on Thursday. The incident last November began after the girl was brought in for an auto theft investigation, according to court documents. "We believe this case is beyond just police misconduct, it's criminal misconduct," King County Prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said. "This is clearly excessive force." Satterberg added the case is uncommon because cameras captured the entire incident.

Schene was investigated previously for shooting two people killing one in the line of duty in 2002 and 2006.Both times his actions were found to be justified, said Ian Goodhew, prosecutor's deputy chief of staff. Calls by The Associated Press to Schene's lawyer Anne Bremner were not immediately returned Friday. Bremner, however, released a statement to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in which she said the video does not tell the whole story. Bremner had asked Judge Catherine Shaffer to not release the video to the media.

(snip)

According to court documents, the girl complained of breathing problems after the incident and medics were called to check her. A short time later, she was taken to a youth detention center and booked for investigation of auto theft and third-degree assault, the latter accusation dealing with her conduct toward the deputy. The girl has pleaded not guilty to taking a motor vehicle without permission, Goodhew said Friday, adding she was never formally charged with assault.

Schene told investigators through an e-mail conversation with his lawyer that once he was assaulted by the girl kicking her shoe at him, he entered the cell to "prevent another assault," according to court documents. Schene also said that the girl failed to comply with instructions in the holding area. Prosecutors said Schene did not explain why he struck the girl after he had her in a holding position on the floor.
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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:06 PM
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102. BOTH of them
I have friends who are cops and much respect them. Yes, most are good people and these are bad apples. And I do mean 'these'. What about the 2nd officer? When the guy rammed her into a wall for softly flipping her shoes in their direction (wimps, like that deserved retaliation) he should have ran in to grab his arms and hold him back from doing any more damage to her. At least after he threw her on the ground by the hair. Two 200 lb men on a 70 pound girl face down, helpless, and not resisting that at point. What the...

So then he had to punch her twice. Why didn't the other guy stop him? And sadly, where is the outrage from other police. Everyone is always pretty quick to 'remain quiet' about it. We need more cops saying 'bullshit' to this. We need more threatening to kick his ass if they ever see him in public. I know I would, and he surely won't have a badge to hide behind then. But then again, he'd better be getting at least a couple of years in jail for this. A cop in jail for beating up an un-armed small girl. Oh...they'll LOVE him there.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:32 PM
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104. You ask where is the outrage from the police....
Well, where do you want to see it? Here at DU?!

Believe it or not, there are liberal cops out there; in fact, I'm one of them and while I'm one of the rare ones here that is willing to admit it, but posts like the one in number 95 probably show while many of them here don't admit it.

The knee-jerk hateful responses of some DU members is disgusting; especially when liberals are supposedly made up of different stuff than wingnuts.

To be honest, this video disturbed me. Very disgusting and troubling. I did not see a single thing that warranted the reaction that was videoed.



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Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:50 PM
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109. Excuse me --but 95's comment doesn't represent my opinion.

If someone did that to my daughter - I would choke a turd out of them one-foot-long - but not threaten to or think about
killing them.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:08 PM
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118. The poster asked....
where is the outrage by the police and my reply was if he/she expects it here, then don't be surprised not to read it here because of replies like that found in number 95.

Comments like those in 95 chill open postings and it is like I typed, there are plenty of liberal police officers all around, but the blanket "pig" statements here certainly don't welcome their presence.




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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:59 PM
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190. there is plenty of outrage
i am a cop, and i know dozens of cops - liberal, libertarian, conservative, moderate etc.

it has zero to do with political orientation. i have yet to talk with a cop who has seen the video who does not think it appears to be an atrocious overreaction.

i have yet to hear ANY cop i have spoken to defend what this guy did.

i agree that the kneejerk responses have been overboard. this was (based on video evidence) what appears to be a cop out of control committing a crime. it should be adjudicated

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Mark D. Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:16 PM
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103. OH SHIT - 5 Seconds In
Right after he walks through the door after her shoe thing. He isn't trying to restrain her, he fully cocks his right arm and swings and punches her dead in the face by about 7 seconds in. That son-of-a-bitch. And I did see the other officers 'hand go up a little' when this asshole pummeled her on the ground. Yeah, way to go, protector!
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chimpyisstillsatan Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 12:59 PM
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110. who's surprised by this?
And who actually believes there will be a conviction? Hell, I'd be surprised if the charges aren't dropped. Pigs will be pigs, and our country loves us some pork.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 01:17 PM
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115. Was RAPING HER next? What else has this guy done to young women under his control that wasn't
caught on video?
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:56 PM
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189. that';s a logical conclusion
NOT!

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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:06 PM
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117. Amazingly in front of the cameras
-a truly necessary use of surveillance.

Law enforcement is an interface that is a clear indication of what type of culture we live in. I salute all of the honest police during these times, yet appeal to them to work together to change the system from the inside against all dangers from within and without, and demand higher standards of behavior. Change has to come from within.




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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:09 PM
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120. If that had been a loved one of mine...
I would break that motherfucker's neck, and feed him his nutsack.

Asshole cops.
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:38 PM
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123. An awful lot of bad cops out there.
Imagine the number of bad cops not caught on YouTube. There must be a lot more. And as long as good cops keep covering for their bad brethren (as a cop friend calls his colleagues) then all cops are bad.

*My father and grandfather were cops, but I declined the greased wheels in.
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LovableScamp Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 02:40 PM
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124. Cowardly act
I guarantee you this most likely isnt the first time this guy has done this... and by him slamming that girls head into the block wall... they should've charged him with attempted murder. Anything less is an insult and the states attorney or prosecuter office should be investigated along with the jail system in King County Washington.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:22 PM
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142. Totally dehumanizing
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rhymeandreason Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 05:51 PM
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144. AP Update on this story
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/J/JAIL_VIDEO?SITE=...

Video shows Wash. sheriff's deputy kicking teen

By MANUEL VALDES 44 minutes ago

excerpt:

SEATTLE (AP) A King County sheriff's deputy kicks a 15-year-old girl, slams her to the floor of a jail cell, strikes her and pulls her hair in violence captured on videotape.

Prosecutors released the surveillance video Friday in the assault case against Deputy Paul Schene, who is accused of using excessive force on the girl. Schene, 31, pleaded not guilty to fourth-degree assault in Superior Court on Thursday.

The incident last November began after the girl was brought in for an auto theft investigation, according to court documents. The footage shows the attack beginning after the girl enters the cell at suburban SeaTac City Hall and kicks off one of her shoes toward the deputy.

"We believe this case is beyond just police misconduct, it's criminal misconduct," King County Prosecutor Daniel Satterberg said. "This is clearly excessive force."

Schene was investigated previously for shooting two people killing one in the line of duty in 2002 and 2006. Both times his actions were found to be justified, said Ian Goodhew, prosecutor's deputy chief of staff.

Calls by The Associated Press to Schene's lawyer, Anne Bremner, were not immediately returned Friday. Bremner, however, released a statement to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in which she said the video does not tell the whole story. Bremner had asked Judge Catherine Shaffer not to release the video to the media.

"As we argued to the judge, it will inflame public opinion and will severely impact the deputy's right to a fair trial," Bremner said.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:29 PM
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148. Wonder how many guys he slammed around
for being violent or abusive???

This gut is no good and any accomplices need to be charged as well. Good that this is released and seeing the light of day. Light sterilizes this sick rot.

It sickens me to see support on YouTube for this sick behavior.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:49 PM
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152. Anyone know what the degrees of assault are in Washington?
Is fourth the worst or is one?

(For example, in Illinois it goes in order of harshest punishment, Class X felony, 1, 2, 3, and 4. Four is the least of the felonies).
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 03:56 PM
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188. i do
assault IV RCW 9a.36.041 is the lowest level.

i have charged dozens of assaults (I, II, III, and IV).

this assault CLEARLY only meets the Assault IV standard.

iow, the prosecutors are charging the correct crime, because it's the only crime they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

if you read the assault statutes, you will see it is the only charge they could charge.

i've charged many similar assaults as assault IV.

i charged an assault II recently, as a counterexample, the assault involved an elderly woman thrown through the hair, who split her head open upon hitting the ground and had over a dozen staples put into her head.

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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:34 PM
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160. A poor excuse of a man,
calling himself a Police Officer and an equally poor excuse of an Attorney saying this:
Calls by The Associated Press to Schene's lawyer, Anne Bremner, were not immediately returned Friday. Bremner, however, released a statement to the Seattle Post-Intelligencer in which she said the video does not tell the whole story.
Sorry Lady but the video tells all one needs to know about the assault charge leveled against the officer.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:10 PM
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192. The video tells the whole story.
She is not behaving in a physically aggressive way. The cop is way over the line.
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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 06:13 PM
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146. Incredible video....
How on earth did you get this--do you work at the jail?

Please be careful!

It's scary to live here --in this beautiful state which is usually so cool, and yet behind closed doors...this and so much more!

Welcome to DU --too!
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:33 PM
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159. It's an AP video and Hissy is one of the longest time members on this board. n/t
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 08:23 PM
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158. Fucking bastard!!!
You MOFOing sun of a..ARGH!!!
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Suji to Seoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 09:12 PM
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163. Be prepared for the "Self-defense" arguments because she kicked her shoe at the "officer"
Police; thugs with badges and power. Sociopaths of the highest order.

And them policing themselves with internal affairs is even more pathetic!
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 01:21 AM
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182. they probably asked for her shoes
i thought that was pretty standard for people being left alone in a cell?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-09 10:02 PM
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168. Fucking demons! I hope he gets time so he can feel what it's like to have
his ass kicked every day.
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mshasta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:25 AM
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180. fucking ass
Edited on Sun Mar-01-09 12:25 AM by mshasta
there is no words to describe he's actions, big ass 200 pound man , bad ass hitting a girl
if that was my daughter i will be asking for maximum punishment
..fucking pay back inside jail..
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 12:47 AM
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181. And the state sponsored domestic terrorists get another non-combatant.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 12:06 PM
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191. Off to jail with this idiot.
:dunce:
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