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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:47 AM
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The Call: Spiritual Warfare in the Field of Martyrs (Prop 8 Supporters answer 'the call')
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On November 1, 2008, I attended The Call - a rally organized by Lou Engle at San Diego's Qualcomm Stadium - attended by 33,000 (according to organizer estimates) over a twelve hour period. Citing the state's "fog of Jezebel confusion"* Engle organized this incarnation of The Call to support Proposition 8 - a California ballot proposition that would ban same-sex marriage in the state. During the event, Engle warned that the decadence in the state "will release a spirit that is more demonic than Islam". The Call is a large-scale traveling revival that purports to offer participants an edifying day of fasting and prayer away from the temptations of secular culture. But far from being a quiet zone for collective meditation, TheCall was a anxious assembly of endtime spiritual warriors.


As Max Blumenthal notes in a piece today on The Daily Beast { / }, the event was bankrolled by prominent dominionists - including the notorious Christian Reconstructionist Harold F. Ahmanson. This connection illustrates the ways in which Christian right leaders from radically different theological perspectives routinely find common ground in the dominionist mandate to "purify the nation" through political means.

The "call" of the title was to spiritual warfare - to "break the 40-year Berkeley rebellion" (a reference to what they see as the rampant spread of secular values following the Berkeley protests of the 1960s) and to cleanse the city of San Francisco. Engle's apocalyptic battle cry, "As California goes, so goes the nation" was the underlying theme of the event - if the "sanctity of marriage" falls in the trendsetting state of California, the nation won't be far behind. The crowd was reminded by Engle, James Dobson, Tony Perkins and others of a Christian right maxim: the traditional family structure forms the foundation of a Godly society and to undermine it is to join forces with the Antichrist.

Toward the end of the night, the stakes were raised when an increasingly agitated Engle and a young campus leader from UC-San Diego called the crowd to ready themselves for martyrdom. The 20,000 or so who remained in the stadium after 12 hours of spiritual warfare seemed all too willing to comply.

* Engle stated here { / } his belief that the spirit of Minerva (Roman goddess of warriors, poetry, wisdom and medicine) controls the state of California.

Also interesting comment posted in reply to the above article: ;showrate=1#1

Engle in Apostlic Council of Prophetic Elders (5.00 / 1)

Engle is in C. Peter Wagner's Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (ACPE). Mary Glazier, who claimed Palin as part of her network, is also a part of this inner circle of Prophetic Elders. Lou Engle was also in the movie "Jesus Camp" but his appearance in the film received little attention at the time.

The list of people on the advisory team of "The Call" is an example of the merging of the New Apostolics with other Dominionist leaders to pursue common goals. Also, the video at the The Call Institute provides a good example of the current face of Dominionism. These can be found on the website under the "About" pulldown tab.

by Ruth on Wed Nov 05, 2008 at 10:35:51 AM EST
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 03:55 AM
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1. Sex, sex, sex ...
... is that all those religious freaks think of?

I mean, even when I was in my 20s, I was able to avoid thinking about sex for as long as a half hour at a time.

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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:14 AM
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2. Blame the AAs yeah ok. No loyal a group to Dems than african americans they know the issues.>
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 04:29 AM by barack the house
The whole thing in total is a ruse to splinter Democrats same shit different day. I am a bit bemused how they determined who voted for what along racial lines it's private ballot and you don't usually ask race with how you voted on proposition. As one caller said it right if any african american did vote for it they are entitled to be stupid as much any other group(although I have my doubts they were). It probably split among various demographics just one is being singled out here. I think the antidote to prop 8 is make it legal in every other state. Let alone the law suit against it. Misinformation on what it really was the main issue at the end of the day.
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ksimons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 04:53 AM
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3. Two words - Ted Haggard

Oh, I can think of more, but thought I'd be concise.
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dee_from_ott Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 05:42 AM
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4. temporary
Edited on Thu Nov-06-08 05:42 AM by dee_from_ott
The problem is that banning gay marriage is not a sufficient form of social engineering. Proposition 8 will not reform homosexuality.

These are the trends:

progression in civil rights and liberty
regression in religion

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VAliberal Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 08:01 AM
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5. Thanks - I have this bookmarked
the link to the dailybeast helpful - connecting the dots between Dominionist theology, its capitalist brokers and right wing 'ministries.'

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madhawk Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 09:57 AM
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6. tax exempt status
the church seems to have their hands into politics too deep these days it is now time to take their tax exempt status away from them. how do we do that? i will do everything in my power to take it away from them. what do i have to do? what do we have to do?? how do we begin? i am serious!! where do we start. there is NO separation between church and state anymore.!
if anyone knows where to start on this please let me know.
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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:10 PM
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7. 'Americans United for Separation of Church & State' & 'People for the American Way' are good starts
Americans United for Separation of Church & State

AU's Project Fair Play
Houses of worship and other non-profit groups may not endorse or oppose candidates for public office. The Internal Revenue Service vigorously enforces this provision of the IRS Code. /

People for the American Way
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madhawk Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-06-08 06:14 PM
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8. thank you
thanks a lot!!
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