BBC's Katty Kay discusses Palin interview

[Wetzelbill]

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[JenniferJuniper]

1. um, the point is

She didn't understand the question! My 13 year old knows what the Bush Doctrine is. Jesus!

[Wetzelbill]

3. not that she didn't understand the question

She didn't even know what the Bush Doctrine was at all.

[JenniferJuniper]

9. True

She's never heard of it. Blank stare. Empty head.

[gateley]

17. No, not an empty stare -- a smirky, leaning back in her chair, saying

"well in which context, Charlie?" or something like that. Oooooh slick, Sarah, but Charlie didn't buy it, which is why he followed with "what do you think the Bush Doctrine is?" I LOVED it!

[krkaufman]

24. No doubt. And her "in what respect, Charlie" response was a typical Palin tactic ...

... to try to buy time and get Gibson to help her out; which he eventually did.

Why did Gibson not simply ask her what her impression of the Bush Doctrine was. Pitiful.

[AlCzervik]

2. Katty Kay "She (Palin) doesn't have a big fat resume, that might help) ok how is that supposed

to make me or any other voter feel good about her, because she has a thin resume, because she lacks the skill set? Isn't that usually a drawback when applying for a job, "Sorry, you just don't have the qualification".

Amiright people?

[gateley]

19. And she almost spat out the "big fat resume" line -- very disparaging.

Um, what does McCain have, Sarah? That's right. A big fat resume from being in Washington all those years.

She was trying to slam Biden (I think) but she was also describing her boss. The entire interview was so highly entertaining. I can hardly wait to see the rest of it!

[AlCzervik]

23. it was surreal and she has the crazy eyes. No blinky.

[gateley]

28. Yeah. Like Ted Bundy. nt

[Wetzelbill]

31. another Republican

Gary Ridgeway the Green River Killer was too. Gary Ridgeway actually said he liked the policies of Sheriff, now GOP, Congressman David Reichert, lol. It was in his lawyer's book, Defending Gary.

[Career Prole]

40. She was bragging on that at the top..."I didn't blink then, and

I'm not blinking now. In fact, Charlie, I'm quite certain I haven't blinked since Reagan's first term."

"I can actually see Russia from my back stoop, and I ain't blinkin'."

[Bette Noir]

57. In all those years of pageants,

did no one tell her not to lick her lips while the camera is on her? She's licking her lips in every clip I've seen of this interview.

Ooo, I wanna play poker with her. I know her "tell." She licks her lips when she's gonna LIE!

[dcomus]

47. Thin resume?

Compared to whom?

I have been hearing a lot lately about Obama's community service being his only experience. I was assuming there has got to be more than just this but each time I hear people questioned about the topic they (democrats) imply community service is his primary "executive" experience...talk about scary.

I think this sums it up quite well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DjDlN6clIo

[Bette Noir]

58. You really don't know?

The community organizer stint was his first job out of college. Since then, he's been a civil rights lawyer, a professor of constitutional law, several years an Illinois state legislator, and four years a US Senator.

It's the Republicans who are trying to keep the focus on Obama as a young man, as if his experience were equivalent to Palin's. His is much more extensive. I especially like the "professor of Constitutional law" part of the resume. Someone needs to put it back into service, someone who knows how things are supposed to be done.

Palin, on the other hand, faced recall within weeks of becoming mayor of a tiny hamlet in Alaska, because she fired a librarian for doing her job. She is currently under investigation for using her position as governor of Alaska to further a personal vendetta against an ex-inlaw, after less than two years on the job. That's a HORRENDOUS record.

[krkaufman]

63. Are you truly that uninformed? Obama was a community organizer just out of college ...

... 23+ years ago. Sounds like you're mind is entrenched by Right Wing thinking points.

[krkaufman]

64. Ah, I see; that explains it. You get your "knowledge" from Jackie Mason. n/t

[PiperOno]

4. This was not...

...a good interview on abc. Palin sounded like a sock puppet. Did you hear the gap between every word she spoke?

I hope the American people are not ignorant enough to vote McCain into office. He showed that he is wreckless and dangerous with this choice.

He mocks our highest offices.

[rosesaylavee]

11. Well, she's been practising those lines real real hard

for a week or so. She'll get that down pat after a few more lessons with her handlers.


Welcome to DU! :hi:

[PiperOno]

12. Thanks...

...I couldn't just sit and read anymore. I had to get my thoughts out hoping some republicans would read them.

We are just shaking our heads here with disbelief.

[gateley]

20. Hiya -- welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Wetzelbill]

33. Welcome to DU

Good to have you here!

[rosesaylavee]

66. I don't understand people who are NOT

shaking their heads in disbelief. Think Matt Damon hit it right on the head - this is like a bad Disney movie. Hockey mom becomes President. Too scary.

[krkaufman]

44. Exactly. They'll review her performance and make some corrections ....

... before the next interview or debate. It's very likely they'll be putting her back into the protective bubble after these interviews.

Another thought is that Gibson may have asked the toughest questions today... but the softballs will come tomorrow, leaving the public with a more favorable impression.

[AldebTX]

5. Guess the British Love Her too

Maybe we should just give it up

(*sarcasm*)

[organic produce]

22. We like Obama

and so does Europa.
That clown Katy just really embarrassed us all, doh.

[AlCzervik]

6. ohmahgawd Kay thinks Palin's supporters will be just dandy with the fact that Palin

didn't understand the question Gibson asked her about The Bush Doctrine. "It won't bother them at all"

[ComplimentarySwine]

7. Do you disagree?

We're not talking about independents here, we're talking about the people Palin was chosen to motivate. The God, guns, gays, and pro-life group. And I agree, I imagine that that group won't care whether or not she knows the answer to that question.

[AlCzervik]

10. no i don't but to hear it said out loud like that was a bit of a surprise. I mean i say stuff

like that all the time but i'm not on tv.

[gateley]

25. I envision Reagan doing the Palin interview tonight -- same responses --

and my mother (God rest her soul, I'm sure she realizes her error now :7) would explain away all the idiotic things he said, regardless of how loud my dad and I were hollering. The Sarah people will do the same. Blinders.

[szatmar666]

52. the US elite despises "we the people" so deeply that

they not only fix our elections but put up the most shallow superficial sorry excuses of human beings and market them for us as "leaders" ... and the sad fact about this: it works EVERY FRICKN TIME! ;)

[organic produce]

26. You're *Dead* right... That's what we're up against.

[Wetzelbill]

8. they will be just fine with it

They are who they are, they'll never change. But everybody else is looking at that and thinking she's an idiot. That's what's important.

[Windy]

15. The Brits know that the US general public pays no attention to world events. We know it too.

We are outraged but the low information voter doesn't know squat and would probably be fine with her answers... sad as it is!

[lumpy]

16. Palin's supporters don't know what the Bush Doctrine is either.

Or obviously they don't believe in the old school belief that we only attack another country in self defense. This is in line with the Bushco mantra that every thing changed after 9/11; the reason being that 9/11 gave us the right to attack on any preconceived notion that we MIGHT be attacked. This is a dangerous notion in the hands of someone who has thought processes similar to Bushco. So many of us never thought we'd see another day when we would make war against another nation for the wrong reasons.

[Mrs. Ted Nancy]

67. Bush doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is either.

The 'bush doctrine' can be many things like incompetence, stupidity, delusion, complete failure at everything, sociopathy etc.

Come on, cut her some slack. :sarcasm:

[krkaufman]

27. The sad thing is... Kay is right. They view Charlie's question as a "gotcha" from the liberal media

... and will think she did just fine, standing up to Charlie. They don't care about content, only presentation.

[kayell]

32. Not near enough deference shown for Sarah Strangelove and he

forgot to kiss her ring.

[krkaufman]

43. Respect, perhaps, but not deference. Good for Charlie. n/t

[rooboy]

13. Don't forget Katty Kay spent time as a guest pundit on Fox News. n/t

[KoKo]

35. ahhhh...that's why "eau du fox " was wafting out of the screen. *Cough*...*Hack*

I wondered what that odor was. :eyes:

[Bette Noir]

59. I thought she was being suspiciously "fair and balanced."

As in giving equal weight to lies and truth.

[MindMatter]

14. "In what respect, Charlie"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7620686268212703476&ei=RcjJSMKdOJGk-wGiuICuAg&q=miss+america+iraq&vt=lf

[krkaufman]

18. Wow, so "certainty" is all that's needed. Doesn't sound like Bush at all. Phew. n/t

[krkaufman]

21. Ow!! Palin has NO IDEA what the Bush Doctrine is.... and Gibson fails to ...

... demonstrate that basic fact.

It's not that she didn't understand the question you British twits, it's that she has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is. Wow, British coverage looks as bad as some of our worst coverage.

[organic produce]

29. The British do know what the Bush Doctrine is...

Well, the ones that don't live under boulders.

[Jack Rabbit]

30. I beg to differ

Gibson was in no position to openly call her an idiot.

He did, however, demonstrate that basic fact by explaining it to her. It shouldn't take an unusually astute viewer to realize this. He should not have had to have done that. She was completely unimpressive.

[Wetzelbill]

34. yeah

He can't just come out and yell that she's an idiot, but he has ways of showing that she is one. By having to explain it to her he did that. I would have preferred if he asked her to define it, but people astute enough to catch it will. And as you say, they don't have to be unusually astute either.

We all have to understand nothing is going to turn the diehards against her. An alien could fly out of her ear on tv and the RWers would call it national security experience. But other people will see that and realize she's not ready by a long shot.

[krkaufman]

38. True. Charlie should be credited for not just moving on to the next question ....

And, truly, he recognized her trying to get him to bail her out early with the "in what respect" response, and just tossed it back her way.

[AlbertCat]

53. He asked her a yes or no question

and he got "In what respect" in a cocky, snide way. He should have said "Huh????" and then "Lemme ask you this, what part of the Bush doctrine do you agree with?"

And let her fumble along.

[JimInNashville]

39. A note of objectivity

Preaching to the converted isn't going to win this election. Converting independents is what will win. The simple truth is, the term "Bush Doctrine" IS AMBIGUOUS!

Check the Wikipedia quote below. As you can see, there are several possible variations of the term Bush Doctrine. Watching the interview, I had to admit my first reaction was to ask myself, "Which aspect of the doctrine is he referring to?" The neocon notion that we should project our system to head off "Islamofascism"? The notion that people who harbor terrorists should be treated as terrorists themselves? Or the notion that we can preemtively attack? I'm quite well informed and simply wasn't sure.

Palin asked for specificity, and had every right to do so. To me she looked slightly shaky, but as a genuine "gotcha," this elephant doesn't really fly.


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The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, created in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.<1> Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.<2><3><4> Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.<5>

[Wetzelbill]

41. I knew what it was right off

It's not ambiguous, the upfront meaning of the Bush Doctrine is and has been understood to be preemption. The rest may fall under that umbrella, but the focal component is preemption.

[JimInNashville]

42. What you "knew right off" ...

is not what Wikipedia said! If you are a politician defending against a "gotcha", you realize you can be had either way. So the correct response is to ask for clarification. Simple, really.

[Wetzelbill]

45. no it's not

Wikipedia isn't a viable source for a policymaker to be studying foreign policy from. I've done work as a columnist and have been published on foreign policy, including neoconservatives. The Bush Doctrine has come to mean one thing: "Preemption." The average person on the street might not know that, but if somebody is a policymaker or involved in politics in some way, certainly a person who is looking to be Vice President, they should immediately know what the Bush Doctrine is. If she doesn't know the foreign policy doctrine of the current president of the United States, a member of her own party, that is troubling. And even if it's ambiguous, that little paragraph that you copied and pasted doesn't take more than a few minutes to read and retain. So even if the Bush Doctrine was ambiguous, and it's not, since she is running for Vice President she should know it. No excuse for it. Simple, really.

[JimInNashville]

46. Yes it is...

As we all know, what "everyone has come to know" changes instantaneously according to one's whims. The original Bush Doctrine was that countries that harbor terrorists would be treated as terrorists. Your assertion that "everyone knows it" refers primarily to preemption is unfounded. For example, a recent article in the Bosston Globe said

"The Bush Doctrine was clear: Any regime aiding terrorists or other enemies of the United States would pay a severe price."

This is the FIRST, PRIMARY definition given in Wikipedia.

This article appeared on May 28, 2008.

So it seems you are wrong. The "Bush Doctrine" now is taken by most people to refer to an extensive foreign policy document with many tenets. Anyone asked about it in the context of a brief interview would have every right to ask the interviewer to be specific about what tenet is being referenced.

If it reassures you to think that Palin is stupid, fine. Since probably 95% of the voting public isn't sure of what the Bush Doctrine is (at least until after the news tomorrow), all this does is play directly into the hands of the Republican campaign. To recover the independents who are deserting in droves, a more sophisticated approach is needed.

[Wetzelbill]

49. And what price would they pay?

A preemptive attack? Duh. That's the Bush Doctrine, freaking preemption. Unless you believe that the severe price means he's going to hand out milk and cookies and hold a summit meeting. You're really grasping at straws, honestly.

Think about that for a minute. Any regime aiding terrorists or other enemies would pay a severe price. That's an excuse for a preemptive attack. You could say that about any country, the point is that a country doesn't have to strike first or be planning an imminent attack, we just have to think they will and it gives us an excuse to hit first. The point is she should have known it. If she did she would have given the whole answer, there isn't a need to clarify something that simple, she just didn't know any of it.

[JimInNashville]

51. I am less concerned...

about whether she was able to divine what Gibson meant by "the Bush Doctrine" than I am about how she would apply the notion of pre-emption. Frankly, I am, as you are, extremely concerned about it. It certainly puts us all at the mercy of the "Intelligence" sector.

Just remember the old adage from Dale Carnegie....you don't catch flies with vinegar.

This election is now all about independents and swing voters. It is not about preaching to the converted. You will not convert a swing voter who admires Palin by walking up to them and talking about how stupid she is for not knowing something that the swing voter him/herself doesn't know.

I hope this clarifies my stance.

[AlbertCat]

54. Fer Christ Sake! WIKIPEDIA?????

Wikipedia is written without supervision. Anyone can come in and change definitions and articles. God only knows what neocon entered the convoluted, overly difficult notion of what the Bush Doctrine is. It simply means preemptive strikes.

Wikipedia is no authority. I'll trust it on the history of Led Zeppelin songs, but not foreign policy. Jesus!

[Bette Noir]

60. Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

If you use it for footnotes in all your research, Heaven help you.

[krkaufman]

36. And on reading the transcript, I see that she failed to grasp the Bush Doctrine even after ...

... it was explained to her.

GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?

PALIN: Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend.

Palin is clueless. The Bush Doctrine forgoes the "imminence" test.

[Peggesis1]

37. Beyond knowing what the Bush doctrine is (which she didn't until Charlie Gibson clued her in)

I'm concerned that she *was* in favor of pre-emptive war. She agrees with Bush that striking another nation is OK if the leaders of our nation really think the other nation is planning to strike the U.S. Isn't Bush's preemptive war with Iraq the reason Vincent Bugliosi wrote a book about prosecuting Bush for murder? Does Sarah Palin really think it's OK for the U.S. to take out (bomb and/or invade) other nations that have *not* attacked us if we think they plan to attack the U.S.? It looks like she thinks that's being tough. She doesn't see it as criminal.

[krkaufman]

62. What Palin doesn't understand, even though Charlie explained it to her...

... is that the Bush Doctrine advocates pre-emptive war, which doesn't require an imminent threat.

Every country has a right to defend itself in the face of an imminent threat from an enemy; which is what Palin effectively said. But that's not the Bush Doctrine, nor is it what Gibson explained to her.

[Peggesis1]

68. Yeah, that's what I meant. (I hope!)

[howmad1]

48. So big deal, she didn't know what the fuck the bush doctrine was.

The point is, most right wing rethuglicans would rather have their baby with her. If you think her stupidity will make one iota of difference with the these sheeple, you are all sadly mistaken. Furthermore, if you think her stupidity will make one bit of difference with the "undecided" voters, again your deluding yourselves. If these undecided assholes have not made up their minds by now, they should not be allowed to vote. It scares the hell out of me that this piece of female shit could be president of the US someday thanks to the stupidity of the Murkin public.

[Jack Rabbit]

61. if you think her stupidity will make one bit of difference with the "undecided" voters

We don't have anything better to bank on, do we?

Charlie Gibson was worlds better tonight than that night he and George Snuffeluppagus moderated the debate between Barack and Hillary that the two newsmen made certain was a non event. He asked questions to get the story out and the story that is getting out is that the Republican Vice Presidential nominee knows little or nothing about the tenets of US foreign policy.

She also doesn't know that Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac are private corporations, or were until this week.

What we have here is the most woefully unprepared person to occupy a slot on a major party's national ticket in a very long time, perhaps ever.

I think that's going to make a lot of difference to "undecided" voters.

[AlbertCat]

50. God help us.

Actually, there's too much god going on here.

Miss "in what respect" Cockiness sounds like those religious people who believe absurd things without question or reflection. (like global warming... or anything for that matter, is God's Plan! or that she has the experience to be president) This of course leads to Hubris... a word Charlie used... and Sarah is full of it. Her tough cookie act is not convincing. She's no leader. She's like a grunt following orders unquestioning.

If redefining "experience" isn't hubris, I don't know what is. This isn't "Salon Makeover" on Bravo y'know!

She (just like Bush) needs to get her nose out of the Bible and read some Euripides.

Hubris!

Every time I see one of those "Power of Pride" bumper stickers, y'know with the bit of the flag waving across the top, I want one with the flag on the bottom that says "Folly of Hubris".

[bobd0]

55. Palin is downright dangerous

I can't believe McCain has the audacity to use "Country First" as a slogan. How can McCain make that claim while putting America at risk by choosing a complete neophyte airhead like Palin?

I just saw the her interview with "Charlie" Gibson and I'm sorry but that woman is simply an idiot. Really. Palin is dangerous and anyone who would choose someone as blatantly deficient not only experience but capacity as well for the office of VP is dangerous too. An interview with Charles Gibson should have been a "gimme" for Palin. Just a quiz. She failed the quiz miserably. How would Palin do in a real test?

I sincerely hope America watches that interview and I hope the media covers it as it should be covered because after seeing that all the media, even the talking heads, have to be aware of the risk Palen represents. She was so disgracefully inept that watching the interview made even me feel embarrassed for her.

Please wake up America and don't let this happen to our country. I'm serious. McCain's choice of Palin is stupid and reckless, and Palin is downright dangerous.

[Bette Noir]

56. Flag Pin Charlie part of the "Liberal Media Elite"?

[KansDem]

65. Tough, resolute *ignorance*!!!

Just what we need in the White House! After all, it worked so well before!!!