Morning Joe: Katrina vanden Heuvel on the Sy Hersh Leak

[ProfessorPlum]

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[DS1]

1. Has Pat Buchanan ever been right about anything?

I can't believe they still drag this tool out from under his rock to comment on anything political.

[Ian David]

7. Der Buchananfuhrer was against the invasion of Iraq.

But then again, he was also against "The War of Northern Aggression" and stopping Hitler.

[The Backlash Cometh]

61. What network did he shill for back then?

ka-huk.

[pattmarty]

17. I probably am going to be sorry for this, but Buchanan is a very.....

......shrewd and honest (by honest I mean he will tell it the way it is) in his political assessments (usually). I agree with ALMOST NONE of his actual social views and most of his political views also, but the man is a political genius and usually the only reason I still watch that fuckhead McLaughlin. When he starts his rants on immigration I "tune him out", cause he's nuts on that and most other crap. HE IS NOT a neoconservative though, as another replier to your post said he was against the Iraq war. He is what I describe as a "true believer" in I really think he believes his shit not unlike most Liberals. If nothing else, at least give him that. Oh, and as a qualifier, I am just to the right of Karl Marx, there are VERY FEW out there that are further left than I. One last thing I will add (VIA THE EDIT) is I didn't see the piece, so I can't comment on that, although Vanden Heuvel is excellent.

[Bobcat]

32. Re; Buchanan

Buchanan is a "paleocon" - an "old school" conservative. Currently, the Republicans house both "brands" of conservatives - "neocons" and "paleocons". Two important issues separate the "paleocons" and the "neocons" - isolationism and national debt. These issues are the basis of a huge potential rift in the Republican party. The "neocons" are interventionists and, of course, national debt doesn't matter. The "paleocons", on the other hand are isolationists and view national debt as absolutely evil - many of them have been the impetus behind the initiative for a balanced budget amendment (a moronic idea). It is the "paleocons" who have been retiring to "spend more time with their families". The truth is they can't stomach what the "neocons" have done to the country and their party.

The opportunity is there to fracture the Republicans for at least a generation on these two issues. Somehow the Dems need to force McCain to show his hand. Is he a traditional Republican, a "paleocon" (turns his back on Reagan & Bush) or is he is the new breed - a "neocon" (OK with the current disastrous policies)? No matter what McCain claims -the Republicans are split and a Dem victory in November is clinched.

[pattmarty]

42. Agree.

[argeec]

21. He's right about congress.

AIPAC has congress by the short hairs. And Rahm Emanuel is their #1 guy. Emanuel got 3 anti-Iraq war democrats defeated by pro-war blue dogs in the last primary. And now he is like #4 in the democratic leadership - because of all the campaign funding by AIPAC.
With democrats like Emanuel, Bush doesn't need republicans.

[peacetalksforall]

59. I'm sorry to say that I believe you. We are screwed by our own.

It is getting easier and easier to reframe the Clinton era. All good actors.

[zanne]

2. She was brilliant and on her toes.

She was up against two people who were being very doubtful about the Congress and the American people in general and she gave as good as she got. She can think on her feet and she's an excellent debater. We need more people like her on our side.

[King Coal]

45. I asked her to marry me and she said maybe.

But I dream a lot.

[KoKo]

3. This is an incredible watch.... The interaction between Katrina, Buchanan

and Andrea Mitchell is very revealing. Mitchell's true views are revealed.

We have a dictatorship is what Buchanan and Mitchell are adknowledging.

Thanks for posting this. I've given up watching "Morning Joe" but wouldn't have wanted to miss seeing this exchange.

[ihavenobias]

4. K & R. I'm shocked that Pat didn't try to butt in more...

Then again he can be very reasonable on foreign policy at times.

[underpants]

5. I'm so glad that Andrea made sure they covered how this was a problem for OBAMA

good grief

Bush et al want to go off on yet another wild unhinged crazed tangent and it is OBAMA'S PROBLEM????

She did well and the hostess clearly just introduced PAt and Andrea and walked away while they tried to attack Katrina

[spanone]

8. andrea is part of the overall problem with the media...it's bu$h's fucking problem andrea

[pattmarty]

19. Isn't she married to Alan Greenspan, the ex head of the Federal Reserve?

[snappyturtle]

22. Yes! And don't we have a lot to thank Greenspan for?

:sarcasm:

[bdamomma]

6. I wish more people would just come out and say

we are becoming a dictatorship, because they are throwing it right in our faces, I wish we could throw it back to them. Kudos to Katrina!!

[tnlurker]

9. I'll watch this at home

[havocmom]

10. K&R

will watch this evening, when I can pour a drink too.

[Voice for Peace]

11. K&R!

Nice job, Katrina!

[Straight Shooter]

12. Was that Andrea Mitchell squawking, "He's the commander in chief"?

Gawd. What. a. tool.

[King Coal]

46. Yep, spoken like a true nazi.

[defendandprotect]

13. K&R -- fanatastic thread . . . Katha is a marvel --- !!!

And she is brilliant in taking people to a higher perspective ---

something that Andrea didn't want to happen ---

I'd like to hear her say that "Bush has bankrupted our Treasury" ---

and that the GOP is busy turning America into a "third world nation" ---

I'd also like to hear some real conversation about taking males out of power --

Not all males want war -- but as long as they are in power we will not have PEACE.

Meanwhile, we "negotiated" our way thru the Cold War --- that worked.

We "negotiated" our way thru other crises.

Further, the US/Israel have been locked together for quite some time now in warmongering ---

Nixon armed their right-wing religioous fanatics and the situation isn't much different

from our creating the Taliban and using it "bait Russia into Afghanistan."

We need to resurrect peace-loving liberal Israel ---

[navarth]

14. Katrina is a great heroine

Give this woman her own show!!!

[Andy Canuck]

15. Pat Buchanan is right

if the blockading Iran measure passes through Congress it is because of the Democratic party. This is WW III: no time for partisan bullshit from Katrina or DU. Anyone who signs on to the bill (or doesn't oppose the signatories of the bill) is responsible for the war. When the bill passes it will be the Democratic Party's war in Iran. Game over.

[truedelphi]

50. One thing that seemed rather interesting to me: neither Katrina nor Patrick Buchanan

Were marginalized - they were clearly showing that there are Democrats who do not want to support Israel or AIPAC.

And of course Buchanan has never had any tolerance for our country being run by Israeli (or AIPAC) interests.

Haven't looked at my watch lately - but the fact that this duo was allowed to speak almost unopposed (The only threat to the audience hearing what they were saying was construction noise in the backgroud) indicates that Bush's popularity remains in the toilet.

[barack the house]

16. Van Huvel is an outstanding woman. How come the real smart folk are not in DC.

[Hulk]

18. God, I hope people heard this piece.

This administration is criminal..and this Congress is complicit! We need to identify everyone of those Congressmen who voted for this latest resolution, #362...and send them packing!!

[slipslidingaway]

27. No vote yet on H. Con. Res. 362 and S. Res. 580

but the House could vote shortly after Congress returns. The link below has links to the bills and other info as well, 220 cosponsors in the House and 32 cosponsors in the Senate, both bills were introduced by Democrats :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=308x699


Both bills are 'sense of Congress' resolutions...

About 'Sense of Congress' Resolutions


"They do not make law and are not enforceable...


"Sense of" resolutions are typically used as:

...On foreign affairs: a way to express the opinion of the people of the United States to the government...

Although "sense of" resolutions have no force in law, foreign governments pay close attention to them as evidence of shifts in U.S. foreign policy priorities..."

[KoKo]

48. Imagine they will be "voted through" at Midnight when Congress does Summer Recess...

whether FISA is a "done deal" or not. Business as Usual...and most Americans and many Dem Activists don't even know how powerful these "Resolutions" are... and we will be bogged down with the other "crap" they are pulling on us as they clear out the Bush/Cheney Agenda to hamstring Obama if he is elected. :-( Sad to say...it's their pattern...whether it's Dems or Repugs in Control. It's always about "protecting and promoting the President's Policies...even if he is a Dictator with a Second in Command who runs him.

[slipslidingaway]

60. You are probably right, this reminds me of the FISA threads

in January and February that had hardly any replies.

I'll try and keep the congress forum thread updated, although I'm not sure why :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=308&topic_id=699&mesg_id=699

[pleah]

20. K&R Also went on youtube and rated the video!

The voice of protest, of warning, of appeal is never more needed than when the clamor of fife and drum, echoed by the press and too often by the pulpit, is bidding all men fall in and keep step and obey in silence the tyrannous word of command. Then, more than ever, it is the duty of the good citizen not to be silent.
- Charles Eliot Norton
________________________

[snappyturtle]

23. K&R I heard this conversation live this morning and was thanking my lucky

stars that Joe wasn't there. Katrina would never have gotten her message in as well as she did had he been present.

[mmonk]

24. A moment of truth for mass consumption.

[L. Coyote]

25. K & R & Impeach two too

[rucognizant]

37. How many are going to display the flag........

upside down ( distress) with an impeach Bosh & Cheney sign for the 4th of July this year.?

[KoKo]

47. Well...there's definitely something wrong with our "Gang of 8" and

definitely Harry Reid..and probably Pelosi. We need to know more about both Reid and Pelosi's rise to their posititons. They both are turning out to be "Bush/Cheney Enablers" the more that comes out of that "swamp/sewer" that Nancy promised to "drain." It seems to be draining not only from the WH but from the Congress... The STENCH is OVERWHELMING!

[L. Coyote]

26. Deja DU: Iran Busts CIA Terror Network 'Devised By US To Bomb Educational & Religious Centers'

from: Iran Busts CIA Terror Network 'Devised By US To Bomb Educational & Religious Centers'
May-18-08 - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3305955

-----------------------------
Iran busts CIA terror network
davidswanson ...

TEHRAN - The Intelligence Ministry on Saturday released details of the detection and dismantling of a terrorist network affiliated to the United States.

In a coordinated operation on May 7, Iranian intelligence agents arrested the terrorist network’s members, who were identified in Fars, Khuzestan, Gilan, West Azerbaijan, and Tehran provinces, the Intelligence Ministry announcement said.

The group’s plans were devised in the U.S., according to the announcement, which added that they had planned to carry out a number of acts such as bombing scientific, educational, and religious centers, shooting people, and making public places in various cities insecure.

One of the terrorists was killed in the operation, but the rest are in detention, the Intelligence Ministry said, adding that the group’s main objective was to create fear among the people.

more at:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/33498

[slipslidingaway]

28. Thank you ! n/t

[balantz]

29. I think they were trying to drown her out with that sawzall noise.

Impeach the evil bastards already!

We need to shout to high heavens if these sons of bitches take their imperialistic occupation into Iran!

[pjt7]

30. Anytime a criticism of AIPAC

comes up, you will see some distraction.

Katrina was very, very strong in this piece. I'd like to see more of her on the tube.

[Maureen1322]

31. "Israel does not lead us in this regard "(intellegence).

Hold that thought.
Love "The "Nation"

[davidwparker]

33. Had to watch this multiple times. There was so much intrigue there, similar

to the top 3 KO Special Comments.

Good one for Katrina.

[KoKo]

43. I've watched it 3 times, already... Haven't gotten tired of hearing "the truth"

in this piece. It's a "Classic." Probably will be in the History Files of how "Democracy Died Under Bush/Cheney." Maybe even in the Hague trials.. about how the Corrupted Media managed to SELL A PRESIDENT/VP and a WAR on INNOCENTS! After we've "Bombed Iran" it will be EVEN MORE OF A DOCUMENT...!

[bjobotts]

55. Covert assassinations, blowing up bridges and roads is American terrorism

[Mind_your_head]

34. WOW - must see!

There's a lot of "meat" in this clip. Well worth watching ~ several times, imo ~ to try and 'catch' it all.

:applause: to Ms. vanden Heuvel for making the important points/standing the ground.

This is really good! Wish I could K & R it more than once.

:kick:

[whistle]

35. Katrina Vanden Heuval is ready to publically support the Obama ticket

...what was the website she mentioned for a strong Israel through peaceful means as opposed to AIPAC?

[argeec]

38. J Street

[redqueen]

58. Hello agreec!

Welcome to DU! :Hi:

[argeec]

62. Thanks

That's very nice of you.

[KoKo]

44. Katrina and the Nation were one of the FIRST to Come Out in support of OBAMA...

Back in February, I think.

[Liberty Belle]

36. Katrina should take over as Meet the Press host. She's brilliant.

[whistle]

39. I agree

[puebloknot]

40. K&R Second the motion! She's a straight arrow! nt

[KoKo]

49. Nah.....I can't see Katrina shilling for GE....it's not her "thing." Luke Russert is in the wings..

and in "training" with his Larry King and other performances when his father is barely two weeks in the grave. It's definitely not Katrina's thing... :D

[90-percent]

41. Katrina

Kantrina owned that bunch!

As in, she took the main role as moderator and they all responded to her points and she kept them focused on her points. She was the alpha male of the gaggle.

Is she subbing for Joe? Or is she just an awesome natural leader?

-90% Jimmy

[LiberalLovinLug]

52. Fiesty!

I like.

[alfredo]

51. Incredible

[The Wielding Truth]

53. Love her! "Is this a dictatorship?" H% No! Time to tell *!

[bjobotts]

54. Bush intends to leave Obama and the dems...fucked. Heswore he would

make it impossible for the next president to leave Iraq and to do that he plans to attack Iran while America has oil contracts with Iraq and need to stay to protect them. Pelosi you stupid complicit failure of a speaker.

[WatchWhatISay]

56. I had the pleasure of meeting Katrina in Austin a couple of years ago

For me, it was like meeting a celebrity. She was very personable. But what really surprised me was that she is very petite, I doubt she weighs 100 lbs. Such a powerfull little lady. Talk about a role model!

[Mind_your_head]

63. She's not a "little lady"....her words are powerful ~ and she knows the subject

Good things come in small packages.....NOT good things come with small gonads.... :-P

[liberaldem4ever]

57. K&R!!!

WOW!!! Katrina was awesome-she really didn't let them get away with it that time.

[Mind_your_head]

64. I must comment on Kristina's comment at roughly the 2:15 mark.....

...."who have not served in any war that we've heard of"

Thugs, mafia wars....much more going on than we *know*?