Hillary Clinton Blows (Another) Hole in Her Florida Argument

[democracy1st]

Run time: 02:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OVuqHW7hZo   Posted on YouTube: May 23, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 23, 2008 By DU Member: democracy1st Views on DU: 5167

 
She approves of Republican sanctions, but not Democratic ones.

[GarbagemanLB]

1. Wow.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

15. Jed Report background for above video

Hillary Clinton Blows (Another) Hole in Her Florida Argument

by the Jed Report

Earlier today in an interview with the St. Petersburg Times, Hillary Clinton endorsed the Republican Party's decision to cut in half the voting power of the Florida delegation to the RNC.

...The problem? Democrats also supported the decision. In fact, it passed the state senate by a 37-2 margin and it passed the state house by a 118-0 margin. Moreover, the state party leadership steadfastly stuck with the January 29 date even though they knew the DNC would not seat the Florida delegations.

Clinton herself supported the DNC's punishment when she signed a pledge to honor the DNC's rules. The key line in that pledge: "the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee will strip states of 100% of their delegates and super delegates to the DNC National Convention if they violate the nomination calendar."

And now, even though Clinton is conceding that the Republican Party was correct to penalize its delegation, she is refusing to agree to a compromise that would apply the same exact penalty to the Democratic delegation. The basis of her refusal is a demonstrably false claim.

...more at the link

[Kaleko]

20. Hope everyone Diggs it at Jed's site

[grmamo]

53. Double Wow! Sure changes my view n/t

[RBInMaine]

2. Damn Right. HILLARY, STOP YOUR LYING AND GAMING OF THIS ISSUE !!!

[populistdriven]

19. this bumper sticker doesnt work so well anymore

[Labors of Hercules]

3. How fortunate that she doesn't get to decide.

How Fl and Mi will be handled. She and Barack played by the same rules. Barack won.

That's all there is to it.

[doublethink]

4. K&R.

:kick:

[madfloridian]

5. Good post....her campaign and FL scoffed at the rules. Watch Dean and Debbie

Howard Dean: We need rules. Wasserman Schultz: Concern about rules unproductive

[Jensen]

6. Do we want another liar in the WH??? Is Bush 8 years not enough?

Suck it UP FL,MI and Hillary!

[raystorm7]

7. Anyone still supporting Hillary at this point is just a mini Joe Lieberman at heart...Enough said!

[Mojambo]

8. Geller. What a smarmy fucking prick with NO regard for his duty and responsibility

After watching that clip I want to punch that motherfucker so hard I can practically taste it.

[Supersedeas]

12. Florida can be so proud of the Gellers and W-S's

[populistdriven]

17. calm down, here have a humor tonic

[hokies4ever]

21. Geller was hilarious

Just wanted to get an objection on the record so that they could show it to Howard Dean later. No wonder why he took away all of their delegates, because he probably saw this cavalier attitude in this video.

[BearSquirrel2]

24. I'm quite shocked ....

I thought most politicians were better actors than satirists.

[PassingFair]

47. He saw it in person...

with the "Screw Dean" buttons and other
outright ARROGANT and DISMISSIVE behavior
of those Florida Dems.


What a DISGRACE.

[Hulk]

9. Give it up Hillary....

I appreciate and respect her for not quitting her campaign, since we are so close to the end, and it will be good to give the Democratic voters a say in those states that haven't yet voted.

But to expect that she is going to be able to meddle in the rules of this FL and MI mess is way out of bounds. She needs to get a grip, shut t.f. up, and move on.

[barack the house]

10. Laws are laws. As rules are rules. A nation of laws and these rules she supported.

[peoli]

11. Fantastic work Jed. Thanks alot!

[FatDave]

13. Spin it, Clinton supporters! Spin it with all you've got!

'Cuz you know, it looks pretty bad when you see it all together like this.

[williesgirl]

14. That sure says it all! rec'd

[Sunnyshine]

16. There it is...for all the party to see. Thank you JedReport! n/t

[Kaleko]

18. Dry heaves daily

is all i can say.

K & R!!!!

[Divine Discontent]

22. nice video compilation!!! REC! send to anyone confused! eom

[pedo]

23. thank you Jed Report

there's no point in compromising with hillary, she will not settle for anything less than the nomination. lets say they give her half the delegates. if that's not enough to put her ahead, then what? you think she will stop there? she won't stop until she's in the white house. she doesn't give a shit about disenfranchisement or voter rights. she proved that when she agreed to take away FL and MI's delegates. she didn't just agree, her people were the ones that took the delegates away in the first place!

[mythyc]

25. K&R -- not a single response from a Clinton supporter

and there never has been a single one at DU on this issue. They all no it's a lie, one which dismantles the entire Clinton machine once and for all. good riddance.

pathetic :banghead:

[Joyce78]

26. Here is a reply for you ...

Consider a spell-check and a grammar-check before you post anything.

[Rose Siding]

27. Hillary's position bolstered by typo?

That doesn't seem right.

[ekwhite]

29. Oh no, an Obama supporter has poor grammar and spelling

How on earth can we vote for him? :rofl:

[trumad]

30. Isn't spell check two words?

same with grammar check. Why the hyphenation?

[Javaman]

37. That's the best you got???

Have fun with that when mcsame is prez.

:banghead:

[Barrymores Ghost]

42. Whoa. You really put the matter to rest with THAT one.

In the spirit of friendship, Joyce78: as a general rule of thumb, she who resorts to petty sniping about typos as her rebuttal has lost the argument even before her first keystroke.

Just something you might want to think about.

[PassingFair]

48. That's all you've got?

"Spell-check"?

:puke:

[digidigido]

51. Read Rachel Maddows Blog on Huffington Post

So, how does the Democratic Party get a nominee before the convention? Seems to me there's two things that need to happen. One small, one big.

First, Obama's campaign should stop believing what most of the press says, and start believing what Clinton says -- she isn't budging. If they don't mind the prospect of a divided convention, then fine -- if they do mind that prospect, they'll have to fight for their desired outcome. Clinton is now arguing that taking the fight to the convention is OK for the Democrats -- even noble. This argument won't be defeated if it is ignored -- Obama's camp will have to rebut.

Second, if the Democrats are to avoid a divided convention, the Florida and Michigan dispute will have to be taken off the table -- settled in a way that avoids the risk of a rules dispute that stretches the nominating contest out through the convention. I can think of only one way to do that, but there may be others.

Here's my way: based on my read of NBC's delegate math, I think if the Clinton campaign won 100% of what they wanted on the Florida and Michigan dispute, Obama could still clinch the nomination -- even according to the most pro-Clinton math -- if 90 of the remaining 210-or-so undeclared superdelegates declared for Obama.

If they so declared before May 31st, the Rules and Bylaws committee would have no reason to take up the Florida and Michigan dispute because it would be a moot point -- Obama's camp could concede every Clinton demand on the subject and still win the nomination.

Otherwise? I'll be the twitchy one on radio row at the divided Democratic convention in Denver... spooked by the ghosts of 1968, 1972, 1980...

[ekwhite]

28. She has been so disingenuous over this matter, it is incredible

Certainly, all politicians spin things to their advantage, but her complete disregard for the facts is just incredible. She has proven herself totally unsuitable for the Presidency.

[graywarrior]

31. Confirms everything I've felt about her for quite a while.

Shocking, but not shocking...if that makes any sense.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

32. Why can't her supporters acknowledge and accept that she is lying?

Do they have so much animosity and hatred for Obama in their hearts that they have psychological trouble admitting and accepting the truth? Hillary agreed to the rules when she felt that she would win. Now that she is losing she wants to pretend that she is the Champion of Civil Rights?

Where was Hillary and Bill during Election 2000 when millions of black, Hispanic, Jewish and poor voters were being disenfranchised?

She loves OH so much, but where was she and Bill when OH was stolen in 2004?

WHERE WERE THE CLINTONS??!?!?

[Javaman]

38. Because that would require critical thinking and would blow away

their concept of koolade drinking blind faith.

[truedelphi]

43. And where were the Clintons during 24 hrs after the end of Nov 2004

Election?

Well, Hillary was on the phone telling Edwards to quit grandstanding and to quit insisting that every vote count. And meanwhile her guy Carville was misrepresenting in discussions with Kerry on how many ballots had been left uncounted in Ohio. (This fact is confirmed by Woodward in his latest book)

Kerry should have had the spine to NOT concede regardless of what Carville told him. So I am not letting him off the hook. But Hillary needed to make the concession happen - if Kerry had gotten in, she would not have had the shot in 2008 for her run for the WH.

And she cared not one whit that these actions of hers left the nation under the Bush admniistration for another four years.

[VolcanoJen]

33. Nice video. The silence among Hillary supporters is deafening.

Today on "Morning Joe," Sen. Bill Nelson adopted a new line: "Who cares about rules? This is about principle." :eyes:

[Politicalboi]

34. Well that says it all

I hope the SD's get a glimps of this and put her out of our misery once and for all. Wouldn't it be nice if someone could somehow start playing this at one of her rallies.

[Oilwellian]

35. Folks, be sure and do this...

Go to the YouTube page and rate it 5 stars and leave a comment. This will help the video make the top 100 in several categories on YouTube, hence more viewers.

[L0oniX]

36. I suppose that Hillary will change the rules as it suits her just like Bush if she should make it...

to the White House.

[JBoy]

39. The "Stronger Candidate" should not need to have the rules changed.

At this point her campaign is pathetic.

[happygoluckytoyou]

40. GO HILLARY... if cheney can shoot them in the face... you can shoot you in the foot

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

41. Jed Report is SO GREAT at presenting facts. Thank you.

It is absolutely mind-blowing how often one candidate and that candidate's campaign simply LIE in whatever way is convenient.

It is as if the candidate has no clue that video recording exists. The strategy at so many turns of this campaign seems to be nothing more than repeating LIES long enough that people forget the recent past and accept the repetitions as truth.

This cannot be spun-off as a late-night, overly-tired "misstatement." This is one more example of total strategical fabrication.

JED REPORT continues to provide an amazing service for low-information voters who won't take the time to sort through quotations. This video, just like the Bosnia one and others, gives ALL of us the words of the campaign to judge for ourselves.

I cannot wait for the time (soon) when Jed Report can devote time to sorting through the lies, temper tantrums, and dumb mistakes of John McCain.

Again, Thank YOU.

[Senator]

44. Trouble Is, The Video Is A Lie

Sorry Hillabamaniacs, but there is a forest out here around that tree you've broken your nose on.

The Florida Dems in that clip were voting FOR a paper trail on black-box voting machines. The kind of reform some of us have been working YEARS to make happen.

Now, why the Dems are at the mercy of the Repugs there for setting their own primary date (probably funding?), is beside the point. And yes, they knew the risk -- did what they thought might avoid penalty -- and it turned out to be not enough.

But a half-truth is still a lie. And to use their distressed position as part of this tedious pissing-off match -- that is thankfully mainly confined to the rubber walls of GD-P -- is just wrong and damaging.

Had you all funnelled this anger into demanding impeachment, we might well have a President Danforth or Warner actually signing FISA bills, and GI bills, and troop withdrawl orders by now.

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[papau]

46. Well said - indeed "pledge" to states - not DNC - was no campaigning which Obama broke in Mich with

his campaign for "uncommitted"

but on DU facts take a back seat to Hillary Hate and Obama's willingness to split the party because the Hill supporters will come crawling back as they have no place to go - he thinks.

[PassingFair]

49. Right....

and they weren't passing THESE around....



They WANTED IT, THEY GOT IT.

[sybylla]

52. Nice...

Now we all know why the rules committee stripped them of all their delegates, not just the standard penalty of half.

[kentj44]

45. democrats in fl.

voted 115-1 to move the election date.its their fault.

[DWilliamsamh]

50. Tat video of the FL Leg should be spread near and far

Video evidence is a bitch ain't it? The Florida Democrats in the legislature went along willingly. Period. They (nor HRC) get to cry "but the mean old Republicans made us do it, when they are on tape gleefully sticking their thumbs in the eye of the DNC. They new what would happen. f' them. I wish someone would just castrate that whole penis shaped monstrosity of the body politic. And that's from a GUY!

[Wizard777]

54. Let's just hope that's all she blows a hole in.

:wow:

To Aerosmiths Janies Got A Gun

Everybody run
Hillary's got a gun.
What did Obama do?
He made her write an IOU.

She had to take him down easy
and put a bullet in his brain.
She said, man he had it comming.
This PMS is driving me insane.