TYT: SCARY Clips From Hagee's Sermons, Pass It On If You Want To Defeat McCain

[ihavenobias]

Run time: 04:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mQvvGJYQaM   Posted on YouTube: May 02, 2008 By YouTube Member: Views on YouTube: 0   Posted on DU: May 04, 2008 By DU Member: ihavenobias Views on DU: 2479

 
I know we're all fighting over Hillary/Obama, but we can't forget about John McCain who's getting off scott-free in the media. If you want to defeat him November (regardless of who you want the Dem nominee to be), please pass this on to anyone and everyone who might be voting in November.

BTW, I normally don't post back to back clips like this but the front page eligibility of this clip expires soon so I couldn't take the risk of not posting it now.

PS---Keep in mind you can always watch The Young Turks 24 hours a day at www.theyoungturks.com . The streaming video/audio means you can minimize the window and surf the net or post at DU while you hear Cenk break down the latest politics.

And you can also join the chat while the show is on live from 3-5pm EST, and during the post game show (where in addition to politics, many other less serious topics are discussed) from 5-7pm EST.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

1. Radical fundamentalists are all the same

only difference is in their labels.

[whistle]

2. Does the film "Idiocracy" have any resonance here? I think so

:yoiks:

[TheModernTerrorist]

38. only when

I can go to a "Buttfuckers" will I be satisfied with your statement.


... I'm just sayin' :evilgrin:

[iamthebandfanman]

54. screw that, i wanna go to the starbucks in that future

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-6zA39_0aw

[Triana]

3. I want to see THIS on the M$M 24 x 7 for the next WEEK until McSame is forced to

DENOUNCE Hagee. I want them to run the story into the ground until people are sick to death of it.

Think it'll happen?

Not in this lifetime.

Pffft!

[ihavenobias]

5. There are a TON of things the media is not covering WRT McCain

Like his enormous Iraq flip-flops: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCAT7AfdxXg

Or where he was during Katrina: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZPAXCLIjDY

Or about his corrupt donors: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COGHdeTohjE

Or the fact that he doesn't know how to cut spending despite his pledges: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU_RfqNLNp8

Although they do talk about his temper, but not in the right context: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msRBU0g2yXo

PS---Why don't they ask McCain why he doesn't wear a flag pin(?) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi5nbZvS9cg

[nebula]

11. They won't talk about it unless Obama brings up it himself

He needs to be the one to talk about Hagee first before the media will begin to cover it.

That's how it works in an election. The candidate himself must raise the issue first, make it into an issue before it gets any play. But if Obama doesn't have the cojones to do that, then it won't get any play in the media and they will simply ignore it.

[Triana]

12. Is it lack of "cajones" or presence of integrity and dignity that stops Obama...

...I suspect the latter. That's why I'm supporting him.

[nebula]

14. 'Dignity and integrity'

Fine qualities to have but those things alone will not win you a Presidential election.

Just ask Kerry and Gore.

[mwb970]

37. OK, but how "nice" to we have to be?

It sounds like a way to throw away yet another election.

[ihavenobias]

16. I disagree

The media talked about Wright A LOT *before* Hillary (and then McCain) tried to clobber him over it.

Besides, even if you're a Clinton supporter, don't you want Obama to lose on *substantive* differences rather than yet another Dem candidate being swift-boated with terrible GOP tactics over pure and utter bullshit?

[nebula]

17. Wrong

The point is Hillary and McCain took a position on Wright early on, and it was their surrogates or member of their campaign who brought attention to Wright in the first place.

This is what really made the story take off.

[ihavenobias]

18. Wright

Let's say you're right, you still ignored this:

"Besides, even if you're a Clinton supporter, don't you want Obama to lose on *substantive* differences rather than yet another Dem candidate being swift-boated with terrible GOP tactics over pure and utter bullshit?"

[nebula]

20. I have no idea what you're saying

first you are urging people to pass on the video in order to defeat McCain and now you're saying it would be 'utter bullshit' to do so? Weird.

[ihavenobias]

22. Let me explain

If the media reported on all bullshit stories equally, it would be fine. Granted, I'd much rather have them report on substantive policy issues, but if they're going to talk about Hillary's laugh and Obama's bowling (etc.), I also want them to talk about McCain's crazy pastor, McCain's fist fight with Renzi and of course the fact that he called his wife a C*NT in front of several people.

BTW, I've explained in detail previously why I think Hagee is more relevant than Wright from a practical perspective (I could dig it up at some point but need to get back to work).

PS---Republicans never get swiftboated like this. My God, imagine an effort to question McCain's military service. Specifically, imagine if a bunch of Dems in the audience at the National Convention had fake purple hearts (or other fake medals) to mock McCain's service (sound familiar?). The reaction would be swift and OVERWHELMINGLY negative.

[nebula]

27. "Republicans never get swiftboated like this."

...and I just explained to you why that is.

Dems are too spineless to throw the kitchen sink back at them.

they are hopeless wusses.

[Window]

41. Perhaps they will use it during the GE if/when Sen. Obama is the nominee

and they pull the Wright thingy up again. He doesn't need to use it now, IMO.

[OhioChick]

24. Quote:

"Besides, even if you're a Clinton supporter, don't you want Obama to lose on *substantive* differences rather than yet another Dem candidate being swift-boated with terrible GOP tactics over pure and utter bullshit?"

Damn good point.....No worries, I understand completely. :)

[Cha]

4. The m$$$fm will hide this in the cellar..

Thank TYT for talking about something mediawhores want hidden from the American peeps.

[nebula]

19. Cenk is preaching to the choir

TYT has no platform for pushing the story into the mainstream,
where it needs to be to have an impact.

The only one who can do that is Obama.

[ihavenobias]

21. That's simply NOT true

If enough people see the clip and pass it on, eventually the right people will see it and the chances increase that someone in the MSM will report on it.

Speaking of which, Hillary could help herself now and in the general by bringing up Hagee. She could essentially make the "my two opponents BOTH have crazy pastors so vote for me" argument (I'm not saying that's a good argument but it could be an effective one politically speaking).

Instead she chooses to ONLY bash Obama over the head with Wright which is obnoxious. She could so easily take on McCain at the same time rather than being his helper (i.e. not attacking him often and actually praising him strongly).

[nebula]

23. You don't know how the media works

This Hagee story has been floating around for months already, and yet the mass media continues to ignore it. The only one who can force them to pay attention to it is someone with a high profile from the Obama campaign, or better yet Obama himself.

[ihavenobias]

25. Or Clinton, *assuming* she wanted McCain to lose in November

regardless of who the Dem nominee is.

[nebula]

26. True enough

but Hillary can NOT bring up Hagee during the primary, if she wants to win the nomination.

because to do so only helps Obama.

[ihavenobias]

28. Not if she spins it the right way

Personally, considering Obama is very likely the Dem nominee, I don't think she should've resorted to ANY of the terrible GOP style tactics (fear mongering 3am ads, praising McCain profusely and publicly and of course the Wright stuff), but since she is anyway, she could've easily made the case that BOTH of her opponents have "crazy pastors".

That would help her in the general AND the primary. All she's been doing is weakening the chances that ANY Dem will win in November.

[nebula]

34. McCain is a fellow Republican

Goldwater Girl will never touch him.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. Thom Hartmann also

He worked on Goldwater campaigns back then and obviously he is still just working that GOP thing, because no one has ever changed in anyway. Arianna Huffington was a full blown Republican and one of my on the ground arch enemies in many races, she and her closeted semi-phobe of a hubby (he's better now, but still a GOPer) were attacking good Democrats for many more years than she has been a 'liberal'.
So wow, Goldwater, huh? Stunning!

[nebula]

49. Her deplorable behavior in recent months

proves she hasn't changed one iota.

[Frisbee]

30. It's up to Obama...

to throw this smack into McSame's face the second Wright is mentioned. (and you know he will be) I respect the way he has run against Hillary, and while she frustrates many of us and we call her a DINO, Cenk hit the nail on the head, she is still light years ahead of what the GOP has to offer.

[Lena inRI]

35. Naw. . .THIS time I hear false notes from Cenk. . .

. . .because NO WAY is Hillary light years from McCain. . .such long-time buddies they have been and her stance on IWR, Kiel-Leiberman. . .who are you trying to bullshit?

Then, add to the FACTS above Hillary's calculating, slash-burn campaign against Obama, NOT MCCAIN,, and both Cenk and you want Obama supporters to TRUST HILLARY as "light years from McCain"?

BWHHHHAHAAHHAHAH. . .fat chance. . .nice try. . .must be the new memo for liberal talk shows/boards as Hillary team plans some UN-DEMOCRATIC theft of the FL-MI delegates OR force an Obama/Clinton ticket. . . Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ya see, there are MANY choices for voters, not either or, if Hillary CONNIVES her way to the nomination.

Republican heaven is McCain v. Clinton because that's a win-win situation.

Now,

OBAMA is the REAL DEMOCRATIC CHOICE that is light years from BOTH McCain and Clinton.

And as for Obama HAVING to "kitchen sink" this Hagee jerk, that would be agreeing that a religious associate's view IS the SAME as the candidate's views and didn't he just DENOUNCE this guilt by association thinking already TWICE by publicly denouncing Wright's views? So why would he use Hagee against McCain or Hillary by default?

And, hey, Cenk, don't try to bullshit me.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

[ihavenobias]

42. IMO, you're hyper-focused on that one tiny part of the clip

That main point was regarding Hagee and McCain, and for that reason alone it's disappointing to see the "thumbs down" at the bottom of your post. Very disappointing.

No one has been more critical of Hillary on *substantive* issues than Cenk so please keep things in context here.

[mcollier]

55. McCain is Tied to the Hip with G. Bush

That will be more damaging that an ignorant preacher... Obama is wise and Presidential and will have the respect of world leaders for the kind of campaign that he has run and principles he displays. Change the game... We will win.

[ihavenobias]

57. Check it out

http://www.newsweek.com/id/135385/page/1

If you beat the drum loud enough, eventually the MSM listens (well, sometimes). Now this story just needs to launch it to cable news and then network news.

[Viracocha711]

6. There is no difference!

If you are a true Christian then you agree with this guy, if not, then you disagree with the bible. The bible is just as deadly as the quaran, it has already killed more people than the quaran! I can't stand to hear people make excuses for what the bible says...I think we should start a movement to have Thomas Paine's "The Age of Reason" taught in Public Schools! It is the 21st century and we still have more than 80% of the people in this country who believe in god? WTF? LACK OF EDUCATION!
...If the bible thumpers are not kept in check we will go backward, just look at what 8 years of biblical leadership has done to this country?

[psychmommy]

15. the bible nor the Koran are evil.

evil people take passages from both and use them to justify their deeds. i am a born again Christian. i am taught to love my neighbor. i am taught to judge not, lest ye be judged. this comes from the bible-it is good. an eye for an eye also comes from the bible-that does not mean poke peoples eyes out. but, some could interpret it that way. evil people are evil-they will use whatever it takes to justify their evil deeds.

[AlbertCat]

39. Oh Pul-eeze!

The Bible and Koran are indeed not evil....they are books. They are nothing but door stops until someone reads them and acts on the ideas therein. They are RESPONSIBLE for passing on and supporting ideas that MEN WROTE AND CAME UP WITH.... like any other book. Men, I might add, who knew nothing about the world beyond their own little corner. Most 3rd graders know more about the world than all the authors of the Bible and Koran! They didn't know the world was round, that America existed, about germs, genes, or what a star was....hell, they thought the Sun went around the Earth! Why anyone in the 21st century would be holding such ancient superstitions and tripe in high regard is indeed a mystery.

[unblock]

7. but where are the scary angry minorities?

white men are allowed to be angry and hateful.
it's forbidden for women and minorities only, doncha know?

[OhioChick]

8. K&R

:kick:

[truth2power]

9. When Hagee said "Starve! Starve!" and the camera panned

to the audience, it looked to me like many of them weren't applauding.

Some things are so odious that even the dim bulbs get it. :evilfrown:

[FloridaJudy]

10. "You're going to vote for the guy who's proud

Of that guy's endorsement?"

Bravo. I couldn't have put it better myself.

[KSinTX]

13. K & R

:kick: Ahhh, my homie! You GO boi :sarcasm:

[trickyguy]

29. More "crackpot clergy" but there are so many of them.

It would be up to Obama and his contingency to make something of this guy.

But do we really want to watch him 24/7? And hope that makes a difference.

He won't change. But I can refuse to ackowledge Hagees's twisted view of things.

So let's all sing "Amazing Grace how sweet the sound...etc"

O8)

[IndependentDem]

31. unfortunately the media has already covered this as much as they are going to...

a whole two minutes worth...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeBOXqEfKRw

In my opinion the DNC or the Obama camp should have been bringing this up to counter the Wright issue-- but now I am content with letting both stories die.

[ihavenobias]

33. For some reason I forgot about the DNC

WTF were they thinking? Again, only in the context of Wright dominating the news cycle 24 hours a day for the last 10 years (that's what it feels like).

[Jack Rabbit]

32. K/R

!!

[mwb970]

36. I knew Hagee was odious, but I had *no idea* how far out he actually is!

And I follow this stuff every day! Gee, it would be nice if the media would give one tenth the amount of coverage to this horrible jerk that they give to you-know-who.

And mcSame solicited his endorsement! He's proud of it!

After seven years of bush, I thought I was as disgusted by Republicans and their media as I could possibly get. Wrong again!

[Window]

40. Amen. K/R.

Another great video from Cenk. Thanks for sharing.

It would be great to see some of his sermons played by the MSM, but I won't hold my breath.

:kick:

[navarth]

43. We can only hope that there is a plan in the works.

If the Dems let McCain go unchallenged we're looking at 4 more years....

[Rex]

44. My parents knew the woman who married Hagee's son.

Why on Earth she did, who knows. They went to the wedding and were shocked at the opulent wealth flaunted by Hagee and after just a few minutes the son was talking about how fake his dad is and how it is just all a show.

One thing is for sure, if there is a Hell Hagee is going to roast forever. Kinda ironic really.

I bet a more worthless person never existed. Maybe Pat.

[Bluenorthwest]

46. More wothless?

I have nominations for a tie with Hagee, McClurkin and Caldwell. They are why Obama can not criticize McCain over Hagee, Obama sought out these Bush backing Evangelicals to come speak for him at his official events. There was minority baiting at actual Obama events. Obama has defended that sort of tactic, because he says lots of people agree with these preachers. Lots of people agree with Hagee too.
Hypocrisy is saying the other guy is bad for doing what you are also doing. Those who pander using religious bigots can not call out others who do the same.

[CherylK]

47. K & R!

[ihavenobias]

48. Thanks. Apparently less than 40 people or so want to defeat McCain in November n/t

[CherylK]

51. That is surprising! n/t

[ooglymoogly]

50. It is ok for blathering nuts on the right to spew hate and murder day in day out

but it is not alright for a black preacher to speak truth to power and is preaching the exact opposite of what Hagee is hatefully blathering; And that my friends is the crazy world we live in today and why we can blithely murder a million+ innocent Iraqi's; With 48 thousand of our own dead and maimed to do it. We have allowed our beloved country to become a very sick and murderous country that many of us are pretending does exist.

[MidwestTransplant]

52. Angry white man

[JohnWxy]

53. BE SURE TO PASS ALONG TO NBC, ABC AND CBS - ask them if they are interested in full disclosure on

all candidates!

[LiberalLovinLug]

56. Not what he said

I think it's important not to mis-interpret what Hagee stated. He did not specifically say 'the poor' should starve, it was those who are "lazy" and on welfare. "If you don't want to get up off your blessed assurance and work.....STARVE!!"

In fact if you used that clip it would only galvanize the white 'heartland', and backfire as then the Democrats would be accused of supporting "welfare for the lazy".

What is needed is a more indepth analysis of what Hagee interprets as 'lazy'? Someone who is disabled? Someone who is trying to raise 3 kids on their own? Someone living in an urban ghetto with no work available? (and of course no Federal make work programs available, because that is Godless socialism). Not to mention depression, mental illness etc..

Also what is needed is to question the implied notion that the majority of welfare recipients LIKE their lives, and are happily living the Life of Riley. That if someone offered them a decent paying job, they would decline it because they prefer living off the government in squalor. Not saying there is not a small minority that might prefer this, but get real.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

59. That's the point:

This piece of filth Hagee equates being poor and on assistance with laziness. Fact is, poor folks work much harder than their rich counterparts. They have to. They're ALREADY starving, and $3 a day for foodstamps is hardly resting on one's "blessed assurance." There's nothing gets my goat worse than watching some self-righteous, sanctimonious MILLIONAIRE tell poor people that it's they're poor because they're not good enough in the eyes of Gawd. What a sack of crap Hagee is.

What you're viewing in Hagee is Calvinism for the 21st century, if such a thing isn't a complete contradiction in terms.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

58. So nice to see other liberal talkers

finally catching up to something I've been saying for years now: there's next to no difference between a xtian fundie and a muslim fundie. It's about the fundamentalism, not the particular brand. As Gertrude Stein famoulsy noted: "A rose is a rose is a rose." In this case, it ain't a rose. It's a pigsty, and it's filled with Hagees and bin Ladens and Talibans and Wahabis and Dobsons and Robertsons.

The fundies are locked in a dual-to-the-death between "Tastes Great" and "Less Filling" and the normal people are caught in the crossfire.

Good on ya, Cenk!