American public opinion on Inmmigration for 2006

[Lost-in-FL]

I though this would be a good reference.


http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/18.pdf


Some of the other major findings include:
• The public appears almost evenly divided on whether immigration overall is good for the country or not.
• Americans are split over levels of legal immigration. Significant minorities of roughly a third or more favor the opposite approaches of keeping legal immigration at its present levels or decreasing it. A smaller share favors increasing legal immigration.
• A significant majority of Americans see illegal immigration as a very serious problem and most others see it at least as a serious problem.
• A majority of Americans believes that illegal immigrants are taking jobs Americans do not want.
• A majority of Americans appears to favor measures that would allow illegal immigrants currently in the U.S. to remain in the country either as permanent residents and eventual citizens or as temporary workers who will have to go home eventually. When those options are presented, only a minority favors deporting all illegal migrants or otherwise forcing them to go home.
• Americans generally express greater confidence in Democrats on immigration issues than Republicans.
• A majority of Americans disapprove of the way that President Bush is handling immigration issues.

[Cybergata]

1. Looking Back at History...

I'd say the whole issue of immigration is simply more demagoguery just like it was in the past. Those in power, who are doing what I consider EVIL THINGS that are making a mess for everyone else, pointing their finger at the newest less powerful group in the country. They did it to the Irish way way back, but Mexicans (sometimes mistakenly called Mexican, but rather Guatemalans or Salvadorians) are a favorite target since illegal immigration is the easiest for our neighbors. Plus those in power tend to be the white, rich men, and brown faces are easy to see in a crowd.

For much of the Western U.S. History, people crossed the border back and forth all the time. Nobody made a big deal about it since it was the norm. I hear people talking about putting up a giant fence between the U.S. and Mexico. Can you believe that? A HUGE f#cking fence! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That is ridiculous. Maybe Mexico should have put up a huge fence at the border in 1800 and not let all the immigrants from the U.S. come in. :rofl: :rofl:

The U.S. has exploited the countries and people of Latin America for decades. American corporations owned large areas of the arable land and got filthy rich off doing so. The U.S. government overthrew democratically elected leaders and supported caudios in order to keep the exploition going. How dare we try to lock out Latinos! So many people in the U.S. live well and have far more than they need. I really wish we would all live very simply and share the wealth. (oh no, I'm sounding like a communist, hum, does anyone care about communists any more :rofl:)

My Hispanic family has been in the Southwest since 1598, and I say YES, let them come. All the illegals and legal aliens from Mexico that I've know are hard working people. Immigration is what made this country. We were all immigrants at one time. I think its about time I dig out Born In the U.S. and Lone Star to view again.

What I'm surprised about is all the Hispanics I know who voted for Bush. I do believe that Hispanics are very patriot, but when a illegal or legal immigrant votes for Bush, I'm a bit stunned. The Republican Party as we know it is not the friend of Hispanics.

[Cleita]

2. The truth is the workers are needed or they wouldn't come here.

The immigration quotas are too low and don't cover the need. If they raise the quotas to reflect the jobs available, these people could come in here legally. They could then work in the open for the same wages Americans are working for as well as join the unions. Therefore, the wages wouldn't be driven down by employers who exploit the immigrants.

The solution is there for the problems that are there, not the imagined problems, but the real ones. No one wants to look at the sensible thing to do because they want this cheap labor and they want it disenfranchised and scared. Instead all the American workers can see is all those people who look different and speak a different language as a threat to their jobs, neighborhoods and life styles.

These fears are fanned by groups who need a scapegoat for what they are at fault for doing by trying to hire cheaper labor, break unions and they blame them for a myriad of other problems that they aren't guilty of. For instance, it's said that if we open the borders the population of Mexico is going to empty into the United States. We know that this is ridiculous, but yet these are the fears that are fanned by the immigrant haters.

[mac2]

5. Workers needed?

Then who are the homeless? Who are the criminals in jail who tried to survive on the streets? Mexico has sent their poor here and not cared about their survival.

[Lost-in-FL]

10. Your reply need some music...

:nopity:

[EFerrari]

3. I hope that fence makes SOMEONE happy because it's

not gonna work.

My people have been migrating up and around and down this land for thousands of years. A FENCE isn't going to change that. I dearly hope that many jobs are created or SOMETHING because that fence will be like a bridal gown -- expensive and all for show. :rofl:

Out of my mom's generation, there are only 2 of 6 that are Republicans. And, they're very quiet about it nowadays. . .

Sometimes I think the US war of aggression against Mexico is like this country's Original Sin. When Europeans first came, they were more or less agents of corporations, weren't they? Then there was a rebellion and our government was formed. The war against Mexico was the first in our long list of official incursions against sovereign peoples. And the undocumented worker under the bed is only one of the unintended consequences this country is reaping.

[mac2]

4. Coming in from US to Mexico?

I didn't know that was a problem really. Billions of dollars flow out of our country to Mexico. That is the only flow from the US to Mexico that I am aware of.

RE: Mexican ownership of Border States.

Mexican amnesty groups say we have illegally taken Mexican areas for ourselves and not paid for it. Them coming here is fair payment.

Our media and representatives have failed to get the history and law of our country out to those who believe they belong here. That's why they are so arrogantly demanding citizenship and jobs.

No world court would agree with the illegal Mexican immigrant’s idea of ownership. Why? These Border States all joined the United States Union by a vote. They did not vote to become part of Mexico.

The Mexican land owners and other indigenousness people (American Indians, etc.) living in the territories became citizens of the United States at that time.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_date_of_statehood

Arizona: Joined the US Union February 14, 1912
California: Joined the US Union September 09, 1850
Florida: Joined the US Union March 3, 1845
New Mexico: Joined the US Union January 06, 1912
Texas: Joined the US Union December 29, 1845

So for about a century and a half, the Border States were part of the United States Union and its Constitution and laws.

New Mexican immigrants became citizens as required by law and the previous amnesty.

We citizens have been more than understanding and accepting of them up to this point. When they refuse to become one of us and wanting their own language and culture...our jobs and benefits we say NO MORE.

We citizens who live in or near sanctuary cities did not vote to allow a change in our Constitution or immigration laws. It was not on anyone's ballot. We pay for them in many ways. It is taxation without representation.

It is certainly lawlessness and violates our immigration law. The sanctuary cities are harboring illegals. They should be jailed for refusal to enforce our laws (and the churches lose their tax exempt status plus the clergy jailed).

I'd like to ask the Mayor of Chicago, Richard Daley (and other cities not in the Border States) and the illegals if Chicago was once Mexican owned? Daley’s sanctuary agenda was not on the ballot in the recent election. Would his father who was the long time Mayor of Chicago approve of his sons and their globalization agenda (Bill Daley helped Clinton write NAFTA). The late Mayor of Chicago who ruled many years was very pro-labor and a Democrat.

I don't care which party supports what...we did not vote for it. We say NO MORE. It is neither democratic or fair. It is destructive to our treasury, our long term way of life, and our safety. It is for open borders with Mexico. Our way of life to be like theirs not the other way around as promised by our leaders just a few years ago.

[msedano]

6. "uhmn, what you mean 'we'..."

calling an undocumented immigrant "illegal" is so completely undemocratic I'm surprised you can type that with a straight face. We Unitedstates Americans have a lot of room for growth in tolerance and respect for the US Constitution. An immigrant is entitled to all the protections of the 4th Amendment, i.e. equal protection under law. Meaning if a person is apprehended and charged with residing in the US sans official approval, that individual gets to go before an immigration judge and get a fair trial. The judge hears evidence and upon conviction that the person is here without proper bureaucratic processing, only then does the adjective "illegal" apply to the individual's immigration status. Most uses of the term "illegal" needs the qualifier "alleged" when referring to a person's residency. I know, I know, fairness is such an awful burden, and I know what you "mean".

Why is it that racists and nativists--but I repeat myself--so fervently demand letter of the law compliance with one set of laws, but willy-nilly violate hundreds of other laws on a routine and daily basis: running stop signs, speeding, ogling high school girls with impure thoughts, drinking and driving, cheating on their income tax, parking more than 18" from the curb, I could go on for daze. Y sabes, que, bro? Violating a simple traffic law can kill people. When was the last time some racist died because someone's grandmother lives in a Spanish-speaking community without a valid visa? OK, I'll give you the answer: never. Unless you count death from apoplexy because the only people who care that you're all hot and bothered is another pendejo racist?

How far back in history do you want to go? Mexico wasn't Mexico until the Spanish then the French were finally kicked out of America. Back when the first Spaniard planted his flag in America, Spain owned the whole kit and kaboodle, so yes, in a sense, Chicago was once owned by the Spanish-speaking.

Here's one that'll tickle your fancy. Did you know that all Mexicans are Americans? Yup. The name of our continents is "America", hence Canadians are "Americans", Mexicans are "Americans", Unitedstatesians are "Americans".

I suspect the above pisses you off, but understand, I'm not saying you are a nativist racist pendejo. You "don't care", which makes you a nihilist or a mountain maker. This is the USA, you're free to choose.

There is nothing wrong with existing immigration law. But I'll meet you more than half way. You see to it that the nation adopts a 100% zero tolerance for breaking traffic laws, and I'll listen to your bitching and moaning about immigration law.

mvs

[Xipe Totec]

7. 38 Billion dollars worth of crude oil flow from Mexico to US every year

That's 500 million barrels of crude each year, at $80 a barrel which right now is pretty cheap.

The US sells 100 Billion dollars worth of goods to Mexico each year, and Mexico sells 154 Billion to the US, including the 38 Billion worth of oil I just mentioned, and another 353 billion cubic feet or natural gas worth.

That you were not aware of these flows of money and goods between Mexico and the US tells me more about your level of education than about the state of affairs between these two neighboring countries.

You talk of billions of dollars flowing to Mexico as if this was your money, and these people didn't work for it. Well, it isn't your money, and they worked for it. So quit using the royal wee-wee.

Your facts, if I can call them that, read like Rush Limbaugh talking points, which is probably where they were plagarized from.

And spare me the "learn our language" bullshit. I know "your" language better than you do, and I speak Spanish which, judging by the mental prowess exhibited so far, is beyond your ken.

Do us a favor and post this kind of crap in a freeper site, where it would feel at home, but not here.

[EFerrari]

8. Similarly, Mexico did not vote to endorse US subverting of its elections.

Get a clue as to who your opponent is.

[Lost-in-FL]

9. ZZZZzzzzz...

:boring: