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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:56 PM
Original message
Users of White Rose and Wikipedia, please read.
There is a vote I would call to your attention; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_del...

Also, please kick this post.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:06 PM
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1. Hey Ben, K&R, and thanks for White Rose.....
:yourock: , I'm just a little confused. What can we do to make sure WRS doesn't get deleted? Is there somewhere we can vote? I don't know too much about Wikipedia, so please excuse me if this sounds like a dumb question.

BTW, this is unrelated, but my husband is in the Navy, a few weeks ago he tried to listen to the Malloy Christmas episode from your website and he tried to do it when he was onboard his ship. He couldn't. The DOD has your site blocked. Imagine that.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:11 PM
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2. DOD blocking sites ? -- while pimping NeoCon fascists like Rush
They think they are Americans? No way. Totally fascist.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. They obviously hate freespeech
For a group of people proclaiming to be the one's bringing freedom to Iraq they sure are taking it away from us.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #5
35. Freepersh8truth
That was my wiki login for this cause :) so they cant' claim I'm anonymous.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:12 PM
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4. No surprise there, sadly
Truth = Sedition from the DOD point of view. The goddamned fascists. SG :grr:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. OMG! Really?!
That is sickening... :puke:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
16. I have heard that DU is blocked on some bases too...
But should your husband ever want a particular show again, please let me know and I'll put it online for him from an address that they will not be looking for.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Thanks Ben
I'll keep that in mind. I'm sure he'll be happy to hear that. You really are a true patriot. :patriot:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #21
25. You are welcome.
I have an alternate server but it is very slow. It is the one that I used to use for a few of the shows before I started spending really big bux for the four really fast servers I use now.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #16
87. You're right. DU and Air America are blocked.
Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox News, and O'Rielly are not... :shrug: I work for them, so I know first hand. It blows.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:11 PM
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3. done
:-)
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:15 PM
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6. A question about the Alexa ranking.
I have anti-spyware software (as I sure many others of us do). Wouldn't that prevent Alexa from including my visits to your site in the rankings, thereby skewing the results?

Thanks for all you do, Ben!
:yourock:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Yes.
Alexa only tracks those people who have the poor judgement to have allowed the Alexa Toolbar to be installed on their machine.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:33 PM
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14. How to vote...
Hi!

I had originally meant that only people who were already registered users should vote, but you all are allowed to!

Hit the "edit" button on that page and then enter;

'''Keep'''. My reason for keeping. ~~~~

or

'''Delete'''. My reason for deleting. ~~~~

Where you replace the reason, of course.

Choose whichever you feel is right as I do not want to put words in your mouth.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 05:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
110. Bringing up Alexa is diversion. Either Wikipedia is a "free encyclopedia"
or it isn't. Alexa is pretty worthless, anyway.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:17 PM
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7. K & R
Love the "White Rose" Ben, and would help out more financially if I could.
Bless you for your essential work. SG
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:19 PM
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8. Would like to vote
on the "White Rose" Wikipedia entry, but can't figure out how. I'm an IT ignoramous. SG
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:19 PM
Response to Reply #8
9. Me too. I feel so dumb.
But can't figure out what to do. :silly:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:20 PM
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10. i'm ignorant as well,
would like to know how to vote.
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:30 PM
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12. Tell us how to vote, please.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. See above... I added it in the wrong part of the thread.
Sorry! :banghead:
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:40 PM
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17. not sure I did it right, but...
I posted:

Keep . Useful site. Archives recordings that might otherwise evaporate.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:40 PM
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18. What do I do?
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. I got it
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:53 PM
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20. Looks like our friends from the site that shall not be named showed up...
I rather expected that those lowlifes would see this article.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. I'll name it. And everyone who sees this needs to recommend...
So we can UNFREEP the Wiki!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:54 PM
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22. K'd and R'd n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 01:55 PM
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23. Kicked - everyone, it's really easy to edit the Wiki.
It would appear from that page that you can vote simply by clicking on "edit" and adding your comments, just like any other Wiki page.

Kickin' for Ben!
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:02 PM
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26. Done! Keep it up, Wikipedia!!!
:thumbsup:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:09 PM
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27. Kick. Be aware of vote fraud
I just caught a freeper changing the votes
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:14 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. And did you see this:
"Also, currently DU has been called on to "DU" this site so expect to be flooded with keeps." I just started another thread directing people here just in case they missed the original post. This is FREEPER WAR!!!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:16 PM
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30. Keep it to one thread, because this one contains the instructions
If you look at the history then you'll notice that the freeper was harassing Ben for quite a while and on January 8 Ben issued a 3-revert rule (and got banned as well because that thing applies to all parties involved, but Ben took it nicely), but the freeper took revenge. So it's time for combat ;)
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. you're right and i did think of that....
so i told them to come here for instructions and to kick up Ben's thread so everyone will see it. ;)
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #27
29. Yes, they are
all over it like the vermin they are. Ben, you'd better keep track of what's happening over there. The freeper posts are fairly obvious--illiterate and insulting. SG
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. It was pointing out the illiteracy of freepers on my part...
that spawned this whole thing.

Of course they will likely win; They cheat. Freepers always cheat. But I decided not to let this happen without a bit of a fight.
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Surya Gayatri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. They may win
this battle due purely to their tireless treachery--BUT THEY WILL NOT WIN THE WAR! SG
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. Don't worry
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 02:28 PM by DrDebug
That's why I put in the merge when I saw your AfD nomination. A keep will be hard since you don't have the rating, but your own entry was accepted and a merge is within the guidelines and it means that the entry will redirect to your page.

Most of the keeps and deletes will be discounted anyhow, since it's a huge mess, so merge is a very likely outcome given the difficulty trying to sort this stuff out :D
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #27
40. Voter fraud on wiki, voter fraud in the Real World
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 02:48 PM by Moochy
I thought I saw some swapping.. They are scum.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:25 PM
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33. Digital Illiterati and their keepers
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 02:26 PM by Moochy
They so disgust me. I really feel sick for this country when reading the shit on feedback page.
Check out the other pages for deletion too, some of them are just stubs for "anti-liberal" talking points.

btw I'm freepersh8truth :)

Thanks for fighting the good fight ben, even if we're out numbered by nerdly morans on wikiland.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:33 PM
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37. K&R. We love ya, Ben...
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:36 PM
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38. add :)
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:42 PM
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39. Well, I might get banned for this
Isn't this unfair? I guess all the Freepers & DUers can fight a wiki-war over an encyclopedia entry; but we honestly don't even know if this article should be included (sorry). Is it just a vanity article? Should Wikipedia include every blog & web site that's out there? Wouldn't that just make it a glorified advertising site, w/everyone using it to promote their own project? It may be that the "White Rose Society" is a well-known site; but if so, then it shouldn't need DU's help to stay listed. Sorry.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. That's your perogative!
If so, vote "Delete"!

The point is that you are allowed to express your opinion no matter what it is! And please do so.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #41
44. Thanks
Oh, I wouldn't vote to delete. :) I'll just stay neutral, cause I don't really know enough now to say. But your site sounds really interesting, and I'll be sure to check it out.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #44
75. It's great, Marie, because if you can't catch a radio show
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 05:20 PM by sfexpat2000
you like, you can go to Ben's site and download it.

I don't know about you, but I can't listen to most of the shows I like in real time. So, Ben's site really is a gift to me.

On the other hand, if I were a right wing media researcher, I would use the site to get a fix on what the left is doing.

The archives are unmediated. A pretty rare thing in this country at this moment. :)

/typo
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #75
77. Don't Forget Podcasts
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 05:20 PM by sweetm2475
I get podcasts for Malloy, Randi, Thom Hartmann, Lizz Brown, Peter Werbe, Bob Kincaid, all from White Rose Society. iTunes automatically downloads them from Ben's site, and I just sync up my iPod and I can listen to my favorite shows whenever I have the time. Listen to me, I sound like a damn commercial. It's just a really great service Ben provides for progressives. You really should check it out. And there is no charge. He's not out to make money. He just lets people donate what they can,when they can, if they can. :hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. I just became iPodified. After trying to ignore Its Scariness for a week,
I'm now totally in love.

Have yet to listen to a Podcast. That's next I guess.

Thank you, Ben, for WRS! I'd go on teevee for it and I hate teevee.

:)
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. podcasting really is great
this way you don't have to be sitting in front of the comp. to hear the show. since you're newly ipodified, if you need any help with podcasts from wrs, just email me. it's easy, just a little confusing in the beginning. :toast:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Thank you. I will.
:)
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. But wikipedia is not quite like a traditional encyclopedia:
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 03:55 PM by EuroObserver
insofar as it can be not only (authoritatively) historical but also (contentiously) contemporary.

Then again, as a sometime indymedia activist, I could tell a few stories about the meaning (and practise) of consensus...

Bottom line: whatever works!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Consensus is determined by who shouts the loudest
It is even worse than a democracy because at least a democracy has mob-rule. Consensus has elite-rule which is even worse.
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Good point.
That's partly why, these days, though i try to do my (anarchic) bit, i'm mostly an observer!
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #39
51. This shows how wikipedia can be abused - Ben is just retaliating
against a similar partisan call. And the wingnuts have just turned the 'vote' into an insult fest. I don't see the need for deletions from wikipedia unless the article really is about nothing.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #51
72. For sure
If I've learned anything, it's how ugly people can be after seeing the comments on that site. Jeez!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:54 PM
Response to Reply #39
71. I don't know why you'd worry about being banned for that comment.
WRS belongs at WIKI because it archives, in an unmediated fashion, information that would otherwise be lost.

Period.

If you agree or disagree with the contents of the archives really doesn't matter.

Any researcher worth their salt would agree with me.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:28 AM
Response to Reply #39
111. There are few progressive talk radio archives;
Edited on Wed Jan-11-06 06:30 AM by rman
so it's not exactly like "every blog & web site that's out there".

And why the heck do you think you might get banned for your comment?
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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:08 PM
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42. Done
here is my comment:

Keep - for freedom of expression. If you want to live in a fascist theocracy move to Saudi Arabia.


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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
43. KEEP!
KEEP!

:)

:kick:
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:35 PM
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47. Some of these comments belong on Free Republic
>>Delete When BenBurch has to ask a left-wing radical site to "DU" the polls of this site, you know its not worth anyones time to read his drivel.

>>Delete, not a notable website, sockpuppets must die.

>>Delete. It's pathetic that someone actually has to post a whining thread on far left sites like Democratic Underground, begging people to vote to keep his site.

>>Delete. When the only reason people visit his site is when he begs them to do so, it's time to send it down the memory hole. The programs he archives gives tirades with zero facts to back them up. The traffic his website gets is less than AAR listenership, which is extremely lower and getting lower.

>>Delete Benburch and his White Rose Society has scammed me out of thousands of dollars. There is no doucmentation he will provide me that my "donations" have gone to anything other than his pocket when the money was given in good faith to help save his radio program. I demand verification or I will be taking this to civil court !!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #47
58. Morans.
:rofl:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #47
59. Look at the Freeper ugliness. "Sent Andy Stephenson a die soon card'"
'''Delete.'''Hey can anyone tell me how Andy Stephenson is? I sent him a die soon card, but it got returned.
I think I'll send it to Beth Ferrari. Maybe she can have her psycotic homeless douche bag of a husband "dougzilla" Autograph it for me.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:30 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. Freepers building goodwill and community.
I think Doug would probably want to charge them his going rate. lol
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #59
62. yeah i deleted that like 4 x and i know sfexpat did too
He's got it on his clipboard too, ready to spam all over the entry.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:37 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. I didn't. Didn't even see it. Boy, these people are really
threatened by 1)DU when it comes together and 2)by independent women.

What a bunch of cowards.

lol
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #59
63. I know hate is a strong word, but....
I really FUCKIN' HATE these people!!!!!!!!!!
:grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad: :grr: :mad:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:36 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Strong words, but very apt
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 04:37 PM by Moochy
These are the scum of the earth who would gleefully march blacks and arabs into camps for reeducation. Of course the good news is, most cant' march since their condition of being genetically inbred makes their cloven feet unsuitable for marching.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #64
68. LOL! These people (if they are indeed people)
couldn't carry Doug's lunch. There's Doug, working in the community half time, and there's these reptiles, insulting him. Nice going, freepers. What lovely family values you have. :)



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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #64
73. Cloven feet. lol
:rofl:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:47 PM
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49. Told you they would cheat!
They have removed all the "Keep" votes! LOL
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. It has been restored again
But you might want to go to the Administrator's board and let them lock the page and check all the entries, because it's one huge mess with racism, slander, flame wars etc. A typical freeperfest
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #49
53. I removed their statement about Andy. n/t
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:12 PM
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55. ditto it keeps popping back n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:16 PM
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56. I shouldn't have done that. I try to just let them do our work
for us, which they can't help doing when they post in their true colors. But, it took me by surprise.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:11 PM
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52. Voted. Wow, Ben. Those are the same sick motherfuckers
that stalked Andy.

I think I'm about to have a flashback. :nuke:
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:11 PM
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54. K&R!!
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 04:12 PM by Moochy
So angry... sooooo angry.... :mad:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:21 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Done.
These creeps must have no life at all. It must be underwear and CheeseWiz all the time.

They have no ideas. They have no community except other underwear CheezeWizzers. They contribute nothing positive to any one or any thing.

Every reporter that talked to them wound up calling me to tell me what a bunch of freaks they are.

Sad waste of skin.

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:28 PM
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60. The entry for me went through this a couple of weeks ago
It survived the dunning.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:48 PM
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70. These so called people are UG LEEEEEEEEE
I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

Our little friends who have been missing us, apparently.
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:34 PM
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97. I had to go through similar process for Chris Floyd
It was not as bad as Ben's experience but it was intense to get grilled by the old timers at Wikipedia. Vanity post accusations as well.

Using Alexa rankings as a measure is pathetic.

We made it in - but the page still needs formatting

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Floyd

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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:37 PM
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65. Apply for the Arbitration Committee
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:40 PM
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67. Look at WillPitt, talking to Randi and posting on DU at the same time
Very talented, Will. :headbang:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. That would be our multitasking, intrepid Will Pitt.
:)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:05 PM
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74. WTF is the matter with those people?
Oh never mind. It's obvious.

GRRRRRR...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 05:09 PM
Response to Reply #74
76. Our little friends feel neglected. So, they're shouting out to Ben.
Maybe I should quarterback a fundraiser for their medication.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:18 PM
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88. Wouldn't take much fundraising...
Lithium Carbonate is cheap.
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sojourner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:18 PM
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81. here's a kick!
recommended too!
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:48 PM
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82. Attempt #2
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 06:51 PM by DrDebug
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Th...

Even though I haven't asked him, I am positive that Skinner has no problems whatsoever with hosting a page about your website and considers you notable enough to have your entry.

KEEP



P.S. Additional bonus is that there is only one documented case of vandalism on demopedia and there has never been a single edit by a freeper.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 06:57 PM
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83. Now the same people want to delete my entry, too...
Sad, really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_del...

But honestly, I didn't ask for either entry to be created in the first place, but object to the political motivations so obviously displayed here.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:02 PM
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84. Damn
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 07:06 PM by DrDebug
Well I don't feel like fighting them today anymore and I can't think of a reason either right now. The circulation of the mag is good enough and so is the Salon interview, but it's very weak. If you can provide information about Whorenet then you might have a better chance. Either way I have seen enough freepers for one day. I'll create your entry here for safe keeping ;)

BTW: It is the same scum as the ones who nominated White Rose Society and William Pitt

P.S. Backup is installed: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Be...
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:14 PM
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85. Another KEEP for you Ben...
Jeebus, don't these people have lives? How pathetic. They just make me sick. :puke:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:17 PM
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86. Why makes me sick is the patently politically motivated censorship here.
Stalin would have loved Wikipedia, as it would have eliminated the reprinting of all those books when you un-personed somebody.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:24 PM
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89. The thing that gets me is...
that I thought it's "the people" that should want these things to remain uncensored, regardless of whether or not they agree. I used to think most Americans felt that way. Maybe I was just too young and seeing the world through rose colored glasses, or maybe things really have gotten this bad.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:29 PM
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90. It doesn't work like that, hence my consensus remark
It works on consensus and that means shouting and pushing through your own view. So it is highly censored by whomever manages to control a subject. Just look at the page for William Pitt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_del...

Notice that it is the same bunch of freepers who keep on voting delete and they even make the absurd suggestion that having three books published and having them translated as well still means that he didn't meet the 5,000 book criterium. Since a single printing alone is at least 1,000 books it is a ridiculous assumption. In this case hardly anybody saw the vote for deletion so the freepers had the upper hand in the beginning and later on you'll notice a couple of people saying that he is notable.
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:45 PM
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92. I get what you're saying, its just disheartening...
that people stoop to that level. And say things like "Sent Andy Stephenson a die soon card". Over a Wikipedia entry? I mean I know better by now, I know what were dealing with, I guess it just never ceases to amaze me how low some "people" will go. And Ben's right, it's all over political censorship. These people would be perfectly happy if everyone in the country heard nothing but Rush all day. I don't like Republicans and I HATE freepers, but do I think they shouldn't have their own radio shows to listen to, or websites to go to, or books to read? And would I actively try to censor any of those things? Of course not. And I'm sure neither would you, or anyone else here. So I'm just preaching to the choir......I know. Just pisses me off. Ben's a good guy, so is Will Pitt, and these people are losers. But I saw what you did, that Demopedia thing. That was bad ass. :headbang:
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:01 PM
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95. They are the worst kind of scum
I think that these are the same guys who did the Andy scam. It's pretty clear as well. And I do agree that it is not Republicans per se, but these are real freepers and it's clear that they are the scum of the earth with their racist, bigoted and stupid comments. And they have some control there and are actively censoring and want it censored. Just like the media is censored and in a way the "neutral" philosophy is very useful for censorship.

I must say that Wikipedia is good in general topics, but politics sucks and is heavily redacted and slanted and even worse than the MSM in many instances. I firmly believe that you should have a left-winged and a right-winged wiki as far as politics go.

We all know that Ben and Will are good guys. Sometimes you can disagree with them about some things but in the end you know that their heart in the right place. Left that is ;)
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sweetm2475 Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:18 PM
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96. Indeed
;)
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #95
118. No repressive society could exist without
these kinds of people. They're always there, waiting. They're the ones who will do the killing, torturing, and maiming when they feel safe enough to do it. This administration has given them some courage that they normally don't have.
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:40 PM
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91. Done.
I go on Wikipedia often, and the reason is to find sites chucked full of information. That's how I have found some of the best and most informative websites -- like WRS, for example. I added in my two cents just now and it should have no bearing whatsoever as to rather you're rallying support over here at DU. Hell, the fact that you're able to even rally support should be notable. The archives of radio shows are VERY valuable in and of themselves. Keep your head up, Ben.

S&F
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. And I believe you will see (above) that I told people...
... to vote their conscience, no matter what it is!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 08:00 PM
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94. Now one of them is trying to impersonate Jimbo Wales!
Un-fucking-believeable!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 09:27 PM
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98. Wow, check out this (now reverted) vandalism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Art...

I think this says admirably what this whole thing is about, don't you?
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:02 PM
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99. God, I hate Freepers
Seriously, I can't even stand next to them. This is an excellent demonstration why.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:12 PM
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100. A freeper is the sort of fellow...
...any girl would be proud to take home to smother.
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:41 PM
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101. I think I was able to post an edit.


Keep 82,789 registered users at DemocraticUnderground.com would find this a meaningful description. I think the way to get out of the political quagmire is not to determine which side is right, but to rise above the issue. I applaud Wikipedia's attempt to civilize this discussion. Good luck with that. The White Rose Society is a part of the fabric of today's world. To choose not to like it is fine. To censor it, proves many of the points made by those the website features. --Tigress DEM 04:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:42 PM
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102. Nice edit! n-t
:thumbsup:
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:16 AM
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104. Note that they are alleging that you are a sockpuppet of another user...
who voted earlier...
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Tigress DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. Just saw that.
Sigh. I don't know much about formats on those type of sites, so I copied a previous post and I thought I was leaving a text descriptor in place, not a person's login. Sigh.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:47 PM
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103. Voted and kick
*Now* will people listen to me when I say that Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia no matter how hard they shout it?! Look at us, people. Look at what we have to do to keep an entry factual. An online resource that is not open to editing by any schmuck who wanders by seems to me to be preferable to this unfortunate incident.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:18 AM
Response to Reply #103
105. At best, Wikipedia is a fun diversion.
But a real encyclopedia has real editors who are responsible for its content. This is simple mod action...
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:27 AM
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117. Ben, my apologies
My comment was not directed at you specifically, but a general complaint.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:33 PM
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120. No offense taken!
No worries! :)
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:33 AM
Response to Reply #103
112. Wiki compares well to Encyclopaedia Britannica - Nature Magazine:
Nature mag.: 'wikipedia as reliable as Encyclopaedia Britannica'

Nature
Internet encyclopaedias go head to head
14 December 2005

Jimmy Wales' Wikipedia comes close to Britannica in terms of the accuracy of its science entries, a Nature investigation finds.
Jim Giles
http://www.nature.com/news/2005/051212/full/438900a.htm...

One of the extraordinary stories of the Internet age is that of Wikipedia, a free online encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. This radical and rapidly growing publication, which includes close to 4 million entries, is now a much-used resource. But it is also controversial: if anyone can edit entries, how do users know if Wikipedia is as accurate as established sources such as Encyclopaedia Britannica?

Several recent cases have highlighted the potential problems. One article was revealed as falsely suggesting that a former assistant to US Senator Robert Kennedy may have been involved in his assassination. And podcasting pioneer Adam Curry has been accused of editing the entry on podcasting to remove references to competitors' work. Curry says he merely thought he was making the entry more accurate.

However, an expert-led investigation carried out by Nature the first to use peer review to compare Wikipedia and Britannica's coverage of science suggests that such high-profile examples are the exception rather than the rule.

The exercise revealed numerous errors in both encyclopaedias, but among 42 entries tested, the difference in accuracy was not particularly great: the average science entry in Wikipedia contained around four inaccuracies; Britannica, about three.

<more>
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 09:09 AM
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115. Only on non-controversial scientific articles.
On politics, it is a sewer.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 11:26 AM
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116. Oh effing please
Like I haven't read the article. Who uses Britannica anymore anyway? My point is that the idea of an encyclopedia is outdated, and one that lets any passerby alter entries can't hold itself up as an authoratative anything. Go to the source, people.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:47 AM
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107. I strongly recommend that DUers stop trying to "DU" Wikipedia votes
MSNBC, AOL, and other sites conduct meaningless polls for entertainment purposes, so of course they allow anyone to vote. On Wikipedia, on the other hand, the Articles for Deletion page serves a real function. Therefore, it's set up so that it can't be DU'd (or Freeped). Its purpose is to determine whether a particular subject meets the community's standards for inclusion. Frankly, people who aren't part of the community have nothing to contribute on that score. The admin who closes the vote will ignore the posts from DUers and Freepers who have little or no experience with Wikipedia, but who came by to vote only because they felt strongly (one way or the other) about the subject of the article.

Please trust me. I've been on Wikipedia almost two years, logging more than 8,000 edits. More than once, I've seen an influx of such solicited votes have a boomerang effect -- some long-time Wikipedians get ticked off and it influences them to vote the other way (with votes that actually count). That shouldn't happen, but it does. Leave the field of antagonizing people to the Freepers. It's about all they do well, the poor dears.

If you actually want to counter RW bias on Wikipedia (and there's plenty to counter), you can. The catch is that it's not so easy as simply registering a vote. Instead, pick an article about a subject you know something about or are willing to research. See if there's something inaccurate in the article, or some notable information that's omitted. Improve the article. Cite sources. It's even better (though not required) if you leave a note on the article's talk page explaining why you made the change. If you show that you're proceeding in good faith to try to help build the encyclopedia, there are even some RW editors there who'll defend your changes against attacks.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 06:34 AM
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113. sure, we should just let the freepers freep it
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:42 PM
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122. That's exactly right
Suppose such a deletion vote attracts five Wikipedians (people who actually work on the project -- some admins use a criterion of 100 or more edits) and also 30 Freepers recruited through a notice on the FReakshow. The Wikipedians all vote "Keep" and the Freepers all vote "Delete". Has the vote been successfully Freeped? No. The side with five votes beats the side with 30 votes.

In the voting on the White Rose article, notice that the recruits from both sides are being identified as people with few or no edits on the project. That's to make it easier for the admin to ignore them in closing the vote, which is what he or she will do.

Recruiting people to go to Wikipedia to vote in Articles for Deletion is like recruiting 12-year-olds to try to vote in a U.S. Senate election. There are better uses for your time.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:56 AM
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108. " Wikipedia:Civility" what " Wikipedia:Civility"
:shrug:
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 04:59 AM
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109. K & R... n/t
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 08:41 AM
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114. I don't understand the standards on that site.
Rush Limbaugh has a page, and the Rush Limbaugh Show has a page. Why aren't those two merged?

How can White Rose Society be a "vanity article" when it barely mentions Ben Burch?
How can it be "non-notable" when it lists numerous shows (and links) which maintain a high level of listenership?

Reading some of the "delete" entries, I can't understand why Wikipedia doesn't employ higher standards and a few obviously-needed rules.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 01:14 PM
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121. Al Franken and Rush Limbaugh -- same treatment
There's an article about Al Franken and a separate article about "The Al Franken Show". For both Franken and Limbaugh, some readers might want to know about the person while others want to know about the show. Of course, the articles are hyperlinked to each other, to accommodate the readers who want to read both.

In addition, the articles on Franken and Limbaugh both link to the separate article on Franken's book Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot and Other Observations.

As to the general standards for keeping or deleting an article, it's a subject of division among Wikipedians. I personally favor a generally low standard for notability. This puts me in the internal faction called "inclusionist". Wherever you draw the line, though, there will be some cases that are close to it, and where it's not objectively certain whether the subject is notable or not. That's why there are debates on the "Articles for Deletion" page.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-11-06 12:24 PM
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119. Can't find the space for voting/writing
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