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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 06:57 PM
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We seem to be standing at the precipice with Iran
Once again this administration wants to pick a fight with another country. What a big surprise! The problem this time is they want to do it with nuclear weapons against a country that might have the means to retaliate. We no longer have any credibility with the other nations of this planet thanks to the marvelous leadership we have in the US and the continuing mess in Iraq. If we do carry out such a strike, we will be alone in our stupidity. I doubt very seriously there would be any "coalition of the willing" to help us in this lunacy.

How is our use of any nuclear device going to protect us from terrorist? I've seen the animation of what a "bunker buster bomb" would do if dropped on Iran and frankly it scares the hell out of me. Not because of what it would do, but because of what it wouldn't do. No matter how Bush and his cabal spin it, the bomb wouldn't do squat to any underground facility. Yet the resulting fall-out would do a job on any nearby city and then there is the inevitable radiation cloud that would drift over neighboring countries...

What we would be unleasing on the rest of the world just defies all reason and logic.

I'm tired. I'm tired of the lies, the mess, and the insanity of this mis-administration and I've made a solemn promise to myself that any member of Congress that goes along with this madness will soon find themselves out of a job...be they Repugs or Dems

That is if any of us survive what follows and are able to put them out of Washington.

:scared:



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Jamison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 06:59 PM
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1. Our only hope...
is that China steps up to the plate and does the noble and right thing to do. Tell * NO WAY! They could be the savior of the world if they do this.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:16 PM
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5. The Shrub would hate that. n/t


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 06:59 PM
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2. I'm with you, sister-- both tired and pissed off....
:hug:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:17 PM
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6. Glad to meet another sufferer!!


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:02 PM
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3. We "seem" to be....
Because that is the way the administration WANTS it to "seem". If you listen to something other that the screaming meemies on corpo-tv you will hear the more measured voices saying that there is plenty (PLENTY) of time to handle this diplomatically.

...sigh...
if only these idiots DID "diplomacy"....
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:06 PM
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4. That's the problem
this mis-administration wouldn't know diplomacy if it ran up and bit them on the ass. :grr:





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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:40 PM
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7. Kicked
Great post .... so starting WW III will not keep us safe?

Call you senators & congresspersons .... No war w/ Iran.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:05 PM
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10. Thanks Botany
Yeah... I don't think starting WWIII will do anyone any good.



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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 07:44 PM
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8. Kick for peace!
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:07 PM
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11. Like John Lennon said...
Give Peace a chance




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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 08:03 PM
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9. Kick.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 09:00 PM
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12. Thanks bleever


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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 10:16 PM
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13. k&r
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-13-06 10:35 PM
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14. Thank you...



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Janice325 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 12:28 AM
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15. I'm hoping the generals and any of the media with any brains
(KO)can somehow just kick the bastards out of the White House and make them GO HOME, before :nuke:.
I was listening to Randi a bit today and she mentioned that something like 11 generals have spoken out against Rumsfield.
I'm scared,too.
k&r
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:51 AM
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22. Doesn't it make you want to bang your head
Edited on Fri Apr-14-06 07:17 AM by Greylyn58
against the wall. More and more people are speaking out and still this maniac and his followers are in power.

aaaaarrrggghhhh!!!! :banghead:




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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:38 AM
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16. The idiot in chief and his ilk remind me of the fundies...
because he seems to be NOTHING unless he's in a fight. That's all there is to his leadership. If all we want and need in this country is an ass-kicking, I'd rather have Skittles in there. At least I know I can trust her.

Great post, Greylyn. :hi:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 07:05 AM
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24. That is so true Rev.
Thanks for the compliment.



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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 03:44 AM
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17. poll shows Americans divided about attacking Iran -- this is disturbing
TIMES/BLOOMBERG POLL
Doubts About Taking On Tehran
About half those polled support military action if Iran continues its nuclear activity but don't trust President Bush to make the call.
By Doyle McManus, Times Staff Writer
April 13, 2006

“WASHINGTON — Americans are divided over the prospect of U.S. military action against Iran if the government in Tehran continues to pursue nuclear technology — and a majority do not trust President Bush to make the "right decision" on that issue, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

Asked whether they would support military action if Iran continued to produce material that could be used to develop nuclear weapons, 48% of the poll's respondents, or almost half, said yes; 40% said no.

If Bush were to order military action, most respondents said they would support airstrikes against Iranian targets, and about one in four said they would support the use of American ground troops in Iran.”

Link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-na-iranpoll13apr13,0,7195484.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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I hate to quote NewsMax and my apologies to admin and the moderators if I am inadvertently breaking any rules. Obviously I am not quoting them because I value them. I'm quoting them because it shows that there are other sources of info predicting a massive bombing campaign against Iran:

"'Big George': The Coming Attack on Iran
Kenneth R. Timmerman, NewsMax.com
Friday, April 14, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Retired Air Force Lt. Gen. Tom McInerney calls it the "Big George" scenario.
According to the man who helped plan the first air war against Saddam in 1991, U.S. aircraft, armed with conventional bunker-buster bombs, would be more than enough to wipe out Iran's nuclear and missile facilities, and cripple its ability to command and control its military forces.

McInerney believes that U.S. air power is so massive, precise, and stealthy, it can effectively disarm Iran with just limited assistance from covert operators on the ground whose task would be to light up enemy targets.

In his "Big George" scenario, the United States would attack 1,000 targets in Iran. Fifteen B2 stealth bombers based in the United States and another 45 F117s and F-22s based in the region would carry out the initial waves of the attack, crippling Iran's long-range radar and strategic air defenses."

link:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/13/94944.shtml?s=sp
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Fishing for a Pretext in Iran

by Juan Cole; March 18, 2006

link: http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=9929

snip:"Supreme Jurisprudent Ali Khamenei has given a fatwa or formal religious ruling against nuclear weapons, and President Ahmadinejad at his inauguration denounced such arms and committed Iran to remaining a nonnuclear weapons state.

In fact, the Iranian regime has gone further, calling for the Middle East to be a nuclear-weapons-free zone. On Feb. 26, Ahmadinejad said:
“We too demand that the Middle East be free of nuclear weapons; not only the Middle East, but the whole world should be free of nuclear weapons.”
Only Israel among the states of the Middle East has the bomb, and its stockpile provoked the arms race with Iraq that in some ways led to the U.S. invasion of 2003. The U.S. has also moved nukes into the Middle East at some points, either on bases in Turkey or on submarines.

Iran is a signatory of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and has allowed the International Atomic Energy Agency to inspect and monitor its nuclear energy research program, as required by the treaty. It raised profound suspicions, however, with its one infraction against the treaty--which was to conduct some secret civilian research that it should have reported and did not, and which was discovered by inspectors. Tehran denies having military labs aiming for a bomb, and in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program."

snip:"it is often alleged that since Iran harbors the desire to “destroy” Israel, it must not be allowed to have the bomb. Ahmadinejad has gone blue in the face denouncing the immorality of any mass extermination of innocent civilians, but has been unable to get a hearing in the English-language press. Moreover, the presidency is a very weak post in Iran, and the president is not commander of the armed forces and has no control over nuclear policy. Ahmadinejad’s election is not relevant to the nuclear issue, and neither is the question of whether he is, as Liz Cheney is reported to have said, “a madman.” Iran has not behaved in a militarily aggressive way since its 1979 revolution, having invaded no other countries, unlike Iraq, Israel or the U.S. Washington has nevertheless succeeded in depicting Iran as a rogue state"

snip: "in November of 2003 the IAEA formally announced that it could find no proof of such a weapons program. The U.S. reaction was a blustery incredulity, which is not actually an argument or proof in its own right, however good U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton is at bunching his eyebrows and glaring."

snip"Bush’s allegations about the Iranians providing improvised explosive devices to the Iraqi guerrilla insurgency are bizarre. The British military looked into charges of improvised explosive devices coming from Iran, and actually came out this past January and apologized to Tehran when no evidence pointed to Iranian government involvement. The guerrillas in Iraq are militant Sunnis who hate Shiites, and it is wholly implausible that the Iranian regime would supply bombs to the enemies of its Iraqi allies."

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And be sure to watch/listen/or read transcript of Sy Hersh's interview on Democracy Now. He pretty much says that baring unforeseen events a major attack on Iran is almost certainly going to happen in the not too distant future:

link to listen/watch/or read transcript:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/04/12/1359254

snip: "Everybody I talk to, the hawks I talk to, the neoconservatives, the people who are very tough absolutely say there's no way the U.N. is going to work, and we're just going to have to assume it doesn’t in any way. Iran, by going along with the U.N., what they're really doing is rushing their nuclear program. And so, the skepticism -- there's no belief, faith here, ultimately, in this White House, in the extent of the talk, so you've got a parallel situation. The President could then say, ‘We've explored all options. We've done it.’ I could add, if you want to get even more scared, some of our closest allies in this process -- we deal with the Germans, the French and the Brits -- they're secretly very worried, not only what Bush wants to do, but they're also worried that -- for example, the British Foreign Officer, Jack Straw, is vehemently against any military action, of course also nuclear action, and so is the Foreign Office, as I said, but nobody knows what will happen if Bush calls Blair. Blair's the wild card in this. He and Bush both have this sense, this messianic sense, I believe, about what they've done and what's needed to be done in the Middle East. I think Bush is every bit as committed into this world of rapture, as is the president.”
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 07:04 AM
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23. I don't know about you
but it disturbs the hell out of me that any sane person could support nuclear strikes of any kind against another country. It's just flat out insane.

But I guess the small percentage of whack-a-doodles thatstillsupport this mis-administration are just as insane as the pResident.

Damn!!!



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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:04 AM
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18. Sudetenland and Poland weren't enough either....and meanwhile, while the
world stood by, the little nazi Adolph kept getting hungrier and hungrier and hungrier.... :eyes:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:46 AM
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21. I'm praying that Congress won't stand by
this time and allow this insanity to unfold. Because I really believe there won't be any 2nd chances this time around.




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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 04:10 AM
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19. This is the same old Iraq gambit by Bu$hCo...

Ramp up the threat -- and attack.

Iran is roughly 10 years away from developing viable nukes -- pretty much like any country that doesn't have them.

There is a cancer on the White House.


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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 06:43 AM
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20. Amen to that
and we need to extract that cancer before it kills the body(the US and the world)



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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 07:43 AM
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25. Morning K&R! n/t
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 08:01 AM
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26. Thanks and Good Morning to you too!


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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 09:47 AM
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27. Excellent post, madam!
:hi:
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:25 PM
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29. Thank You crispini
Edited on Fri Apr-14-06 01:25 PM by Greylyn58
that means alot coming from you.



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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 09:48 AM
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28. Like everything going on with this administration, information withheld.
Iran may have Nukes we provided in a B-52 crash. Even if they do have several bombs is that reason to start a Nuclear War? Guess this may be why Bush II is so worried about Bush I records and documents are now being reclassified. Granted this story is suspect but I am sick of the lies and wonder what else these criminals are hiding? At this time it is doubtful they know the truth or what is a lie.


see link: http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn07302005.html

Lost Nuclear Warheads from a B-52 Now in Iran?

By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Iran may have the weapons-grade uranium out of three nuclear warheads dumped out of a B-52 back in 1991. Or so at least the US government might have some reason to believe, according to a seemingly well-informed person talking to CounterPunch last week.

On February 3, 1991, this particular B-52G had been deployed to circle around Baghdad. It was armed with 3 SRAM missiles armed with nuclear warheads and fitted with rocket drives to push them 100 miles to the rear of the B-52 before detonating.

The B-52 was heading off to refuel when it developed very serious electrical problems, including the loss of navigational equipment.
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Greylyn58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-14-06 01:26 PM
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30. Very interesting link


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