Why is Bush's justice department going after the republicans?

[southernleftylady]

I'm too cynical to think its for the "good" of the country but something good for him..
whats in all this for bush?
a distraction against the war?
or something larger?
whats in it for him... major?
or is he doing it for the american people

[Gman]

1. I've had the same question

for some time now. Is it the career prosecutors that they can't reign in? Are the career prosecutors the ones standing up for the rule of law and what's right?

[NewJeffCT]

3. I believe it is career justice people

I'm sure there are a few true conservatives in there, but I'm guessing many came aboard during the Carter & Clinton years.

[charlyvi]

8. Any "true conservative" hates these nutjobs.

Small government, fiscal responsibility......what's that? The true conservatives, though I disagree with them on most everything, are not fascists. They prize their liberty as much as we do. Those true conservatives in government, the ones shrub hasn't purged, know how dangerous these lunatics are.

[NewJeffCT]

11. That's a difference between our side & there side

they want to eliminate liberals altogether - didn't Phil Gramm of Texas want to use hunting dogs to track us down? Ann Coulter wants to lock us up in Gitmo, etc.

[earth mom]

2. To show the re-THUGS "who's the boss". nt

[radwriter0555]

4. Because our government after all, aside from the corrupt republicans is

made up of good, decent PEOPLE. Americans. Men. Women. They're just like you and me, and they know crime and corruption.

2 years ago I watched several agencies basically remove their support from the bush regime when he turned coat on them, the FBI and the CIA, and blamed them for HIS lies to invade iraq. He hung them out to dry; and with his admins' fucking with Plame and other intel operations, he's screwed himself.

Bush forgot that most people are basically decent and honest.

[Trevelyan]

5. I hope you are right - It seems that Ron Earle and other prosecutors are

incredibly brave. I hope Fitzgerald eventually comes through - people are dying and being tortured every day this evil bush regime is allowed to continue.

http://billyjack.com/ had great action ideas to take back our government and articles on the history of the takeover of our country.

[Poppyseedman]

7. You mean that bush doesn't control all aspects of the government?

How can that be ? bush is a dictator bent on controlling all facets of government. :sarcasm:

It is a little tiresome that people here think EVERYTHING and EVERYBODY in government revolves around the concept of covering up for bushs crimes and his indiscretions.

[blm]

14. I agree, rad. 9-11 certainly changed everything for the agents Bush blamed

in his effort to lead the American public from his own criminal negligence. Amazing that the media helped him every step of the way.

[Ikonoklast]

19. DOJ is full of career law enforcement officials

who are beholden to no political party and keep their personal political affiliations private. They are there because they believe in the process and that they can make a difference.


The rank and file in many gov't agencies are not too thrilled with being made scapegoats by the current crop of criminals running the country; having been used as whipping boys by the BCE for so long is bound to turn some of them quite mean.


It is my understanding that a current NSA analyst(s) is/are ready to testify before a Senate committee if granted immunity and whistleblower status. IIRC, it was in relation to domestic spying abuses related to political enemies of Bush, not having anything to do with "terra". Even got dirt on Repubs that would not toe the line.

If true, this is the BIG one. I'm waiting to see what comes of it.

[carolinalady]

20. As far as the NSA guy-there was a thread here the other day

The guy is a former analyst, but he did write a letter to the committee and invoked the Whistleblower protection Act and demanded to speak to congress. It was no request. He told them he is waiting to hear from them as to date and time.

Second-the Abramoff indian scandal came from testimony out of the Indian Affairs Committee which is chaired or was chaired at the time by McCain. Bush has no choice but to pursue, which is why he has a personal pick in charge of the investigation. To maintain damage control.

[Ikonoklast]

21. I heard that there were as many as six people

from the NSA willing to testify because they fear that when all hell breaks loose, they might be open to prosecution and do not want to take the fall for their potically appointed bosses.

Should be very interesting, to say the least. Could even get scary.

[carolinalady]

22. Agree-can't wait.

My mom has a fairly high career staff position in Dept. of Interior and the other night I was filling her in on all the dirt on Griles, Norton and Federici. She knew Griles, but not Federici and she was lapping it up! She said that other staffers were very derogative toward Griles, but she did not know the story. She said the last two years have been hell, and there is no one to talk to about it, because no one trusts anyone else. Mom keeps her political thoughts to herself-she only has two more years until she can retire.

:popcorn:

[Ikonoklast]

23. If I was in her position

my profile would be so low that I could walk under a closed door. You couldn't get me to say "boo".

I am not a paranoid person by nature, but when the hair on the back of my neck starts to stand up, it's time to batten down the hatches. These people play to win at all costs to advance their agenda. Lives are meaningless.


The NSA analyst must be sweating bullets at every loud noise.

[carolinalady]

24. Tell me about it-she has health problems so she is allowed to

work from home quite a bit. I think that helps her cope. She can not wait to get out.

[bklyncowgirl]

6. Have the Aspens turned? The powers that be want to rein in Shrub.

Maybe corporate America--or at least some sectors of it--is getting more than a little nervous about the Chimp, the Hammer and the rest of the neocon crowd.

In the corporate world greed is good but anything in excess is bad and these guys have been nothing if not excessive.

Also, there are honest people everywhere, even in government--even in the Republican party (I'll try to think of one or two). Maybe the good guys have been unleashed.

[pretzel4gore]

9. it's a machine, with gears....

i recall watching a show about the north carolina child abuse alleged case from clinton era...children were accusing some daycare centre workers, who were then charged etc (it turned out to be bs, just a crazy bureaucrat and some nasty persecutor and soon...) during one segment a pro bono lawyer who had fought to free the falsely accused said something very striking: the people who work in the justice system are themselves most terrified of getting caught in its gears, even more then ordinary people, because they know it does not think, or feel, or respond, it is set up to do something, and once you're caught in it, you cannot escape until it's satisfied...i think the bushviks had planned to spike the system, but even one failure to do so might catch someone in the gears, and this has happened....we can now expect the entire system to just tear away at the bush criminal empire, unless bush declares martial law or mihop's something stupid...

[mod mom]

10. It is congress that can impeach, so maybe they wish to caste such a

discredited, corrupt veil over congress, that they can squelch any impeachment proceedings. Didn't the neocons always want to do away with government. Those damn laws are always getting in the way of the PNAC agenda, anyway.

[goclark]

16. If the real Republicans would step up to the plate

and DeLay could go rest at home, I think he could be impeached.

They want to save their party and get elected.

Just dreaming I guess.

[mod mom]

27. They must have bypassed the FISA courts to spy on their own.

[spanone]

12. Even the DOJ can smell the stench from the bush* administration.

Shit smells whether it's dem or thug.

[blm]

13. Many there are CAREER investigators who've been there 20-30 years.

Sometimes the political appointees fear exposure if they stop an investigation that already has legs on state charges.

[leeroysphitz]

15. Damage control. They are acting to provide the public with

the "illusion" of due diligence so that they can keep on doing what they are doing.

They are just throwing us (we the people) a "bone".

If this Abramoff thing were SERIOUS the word BRIBERY would have appeared somewhere by now. Instead we see conspiracy, nebulous and watered down.

If the charges had been BRIBERY then corrupt politicians wouldn't be scurrying around to give back Abramoff's money they would be hiring lawyers because it takes TWO to make a bribe work, the bribER and the bribEE... Prosecuting Abramoff for bribery would DEMAND an investigation and prosecution of those he bribed. With the charges as they stand we won't see anything that aggressive. We just won't.

Abramoff fell on his sword and the corrupt pigs and whores he bribed are mostly going to walk away unscathed.

[gulliver]

28. Yup.

That's what I'm afraid of too. Surely our Dem leaders won't let this slide (he wrote with a wince). Republicans investigating Republicans serve Republicans.

[happydreams]

32. I was going to say smoke and mirrors. Ilusion is very

effective with a population largely illiterate zombies.

[Zen Democrat]

17. The murder of Gus Boulis opened Pandora's Box for the Republicans.

When the police and FBI investigated the Gambino-style murder of Boulis, and found the murderers to be, in fact, part of the NY Gambino family, and found that the suspects (Big Tony and Little Tony) were tied to Kidan, and Kidan was a gopher for Abramoff ... well, off to the races.

[meow2u3]

26. So that's what the Mafia is doing now

Their tentacle are no longer in the unions, but the corporations and in Washington. The GOP and the MOB are intertwined.

[Zen Democrat]

31. It's Godfather III.

[dogman]

18. That's where the crooks are. N/T

[Octafish]

30. BAM!

Excellent summation!



Not everybody in government is a crook, although Bush and Co. are working on it.

IMFO: Most in government service are good people.

[leesa]

25. To save their asses. At some point they will say...this is enough...see we

go after our own...but the REAL thugs...Bush, Cheney Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell...the REAL murderers will not be touched.

If they throw some crumbs they hope we won't go after the cake...like who did 9-11, the war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq, etc.

[yknot]

29. BUSH TO BUSTED COHORTS: "Since you've gotta go down for this anyway

let my DOJ cushion the fall by limiting the scope of the investigations. Keep your mouths shut about 911 and voter fraud"