Lou Dobbs being spanked on Blitzer

[yankeedem]

Univision host to Lou "I hate Latinos" Dobbs: "What is your problem with my people?" Lou Dobbs tells him to blame Vincente Fox.

[K8-EEE]

1. I Agree That A Lot Of The Blame Goes To Fox

Not watching the show, but if Fox wasn't such a elitist crook, the Mexicans would have a fair shake in their own country. I can't stand the guy!! He's right in there with Bush, IMO, both of them are all about exploiting the worker for the benefit of the most wealthy.

What really irks me is the way the Mexican government treats illegals in their country. I mean it is totally brutal what they do on THEIR southern border to Central Americans trying to cross. Fox and the Mexican government are the WORST! And Bush wants to send us racing to be just like them with his reverse-Robin Hood, union busting bullshit.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

2. i think lou is doing the spanking

[yankeedem]

5. I disagree

He's coming off as a hateful old (white) man who is trying to villianize Latinos.

[AlamoDemoc]

7. Hear Hear!

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10. His "tone" not withstanding...

Isn't he right that Vicente Fox must take a lot of the blame for screwing his people like this to the point where they kill themselves to get here to work shit jobs for shit money?

[yankeedem]

20. I agree with that

The only people in this debate who should not be assigned blame are the immigrants themselves.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

19. i disagree

i think there is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants.

[AX10]

3. Well if Fox wasn't just another right wing corporate crony, like Bush is..

maybe Mexicans would be willing to work in Mexico and build the nation's future.

[Catherine Vincent]

4. I don't like Dobbs' tone.

off topic - That Ramos guy is a hottie!

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8. Who, Jorge Ramos???

I'm not by a TV but GOD I LOVE HIM! He's used to be a local newsguy here in L.A. I've had a thing for him since High School! Now he's a big Univision network news guy I think....

PICK UP THE PEOPLE IN ESPANOL, KILLER PIC WITH THE NEW GF!! JORGE GOSSIP, LOL...

[Catherine Vincent]

18. Yes, that's him.

That guy definitely turn heads. :-)

[yankeedem]

9. How arrogant of him

and all the anti-immigrant people in this country. I got lucky. I was born here. I don't see myself as having any right to keep people out that want to work and contribute to this country. I could have been born in Guatemala, or some other 3rd world craphole.

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13. How Arrogant Of Vicente Fox

To benefit from this system,, how arrogant of GWB. You guys are all about Lou "seeming" or "coming off as" or whatever...but doesn't he make a lot of sense? THE MEXICAN GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE PUT OUT ON THEIR ASS -- THE PEOPLE SHOULD BE DEMONSTRATING THERE!

[jety2k]

24. OH PLEASE...

And what about all of the people trying to get into the country legally? My neighbor is here on a work visa from Brazil. You should see the mountains of paperwork, background checks, etc he is going through to bring his wife and daughter here. He could get a temporary visitors visa and just have them stay illegally. He won't do that because it is ILLEGAL. He hopes to get a green card and citizenship some day.

There are well over 3 billion people in this world living in desperate poverty (presumably from those craphole counties you eluded to) that would love to come to the United States and work. Unfortunately for them we don't share a common border. Get in line like you should and respect the laws of our country. Otherwise we cease to exist and become an anarchy. Those who label it racist don't want to preserve the rule of law, are ill informed or have another agenda.

I don't blame the illegal alien that is here working and trying to better himself. I DO blame our arrogant, do nothing, turn a blind eye to the problem government.


All Lou Dobbs does is point these facts out on a daily basis. He also talks about outsourcing American jobs, the destruction of unions, the shrinking middle class and the selling off of America to foreign interests by those same politicians and the corporations that own them.

It is about time somebody responsible in the press holds our bought/paid for governments feet to the fire.

I usually agree with about 90% of his commentary.

[im10ashus]

25. I'm not surprised you agree with him. eom

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6. I usually agree with him on this issue

It is criminal what is done to the Mexican worker by the Mexican government. There are some towns in Mexico that are 1 million people and half a million are in the US!! Mexico is a beautiful and wealthy country. If they could stand up THERE and protest they would but they are not allowed to.

Yet this is the "capitalistic free market" economy that Bush considers an "ally." Chavez is who they want to take out. Notice the Venezuelans streaming ove the border? Get a leftists government in Mexico and the problem begins to be solved.

[yankeedem]

12. About 90% of this problem the US helped create

with NAFTA and other "reforms" that kicked poor people off of their land.

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14. I Don't Know What Percentage Was NAFTA But

I do know that very few people in Mexico own most of the very considerable assets and this needs to be addressed. None of the leftist South American countries have 10s of thousands of people streaming here.

[Elwood P Dowd]

11. You wanna' see some real hate?

Sneak into Mexico illegally, get caught, and you will see some real hate from inside a prison cell.

Fox wants to export his poverty and crime to the USA so he and his rich elite friends can keep stealing the money.

[yankeedem]

15. Yet when Castro does the same thing

The immigrants are welcomed with open arms. Just sayin'. Oh yea, Castro doesn't let large corporations pillage his country. Not that he's a good guy, but Fox does the same stuff as Castro does but with a dash of capitalism.

[Elwood P Dowd]

23. That's not true

Number one, Castro never released 11 million Cubans upon the USA.

Number two, the last time he tried that trick, most were arrested and incarcerated in federal prisons.

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16. Hypocrisy, For Sure -- Mexico Gitmos It's Illegals!!

That is just total bullshit what they do to the Central Americans that they catch there, then act like millions of Mexicans coming here should not be of concern to the citizens.

[sadiesworld]

17. It's a good time for the Mexican elites to open the valve some more...

when EXACTLY is that presidential vote in Mexico? I don't want to be unduly cynical here but I'm guessing that disgruntled Mexicans who come to the US won't be voting for the populist, Obrador.

[tsuki]

27. True. nt

[beyond_the_pale]

21. What about the Mexican Populist Candidate?

Those familiar with upcoming Mexican elections, do any of the Populist (Code word: Leftists) Candidates have a chance against Vicente Fox? And what happens then?

Those watching CNN Lou Dobbs and Wolf, I saw the President and Ted Kennedy use the same words "after 11 years guest workers will "be eligible for citizenship." But what about people who are content to live out their lives with green cards?

Won't the Green Card status need to be re-evaluated? Holders of Green Cards have almost the full rights of citizens, other than they don't vote or have passports.

[sadiesworld]

22. Obrador was leading in the polls last I heard.

As for the rights of guest workers, I absolutely do not believe that the right to organize will be one of them as the whole purpose of a guest worker program is cheap, compliant labor.

[Squeech]

26. Plenty of blame to go around

If I remember right, when Fox was first elected, he was the *reformist* candidate, representing the young upstart party that finally got rid of the massively entrenched, heavily corrupt establishment party that oxymoronically called itself the Institutional Revolutionary Party. To the extent that he acts like an oligarch and leeches off the productive sectors of the Mexican economy, he's simply following in the established tradition-- and I think he represents a measurable improvement over PRI.

And even the PRI recognized that trying to close the border wasn't a workable policy. One of their earlier stooges famously told Jimmy Carter: "I don't consider it a crime to look for work."

Regarding illegal immigration, there seems to be this idea that foreign nationals all face this nice either-or choice where they weigh the legal and illegal options and do a cost-benefit analysis. Not that I'm an expert, but I don't think it's true. We don't allow people the legal option if we think they're coming here just to "take jobs away from good Americans." We require then to show that they have a stake in the country they came from and are planning to return-- essentially they already have to have money. None of this characterizes people who are desperate enough to mortgage the family homestead to pay a coyote to smuggle them across the Rio Grande under life-threatening conditions. (But it does characterize Saudi madrassa students who show up with an undepletable checkbook who are just dying to learn to fly airplanes. That's more of a problem than somebody who'd rather be a busboy than a subsistence farmer...)