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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:03 PM
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I fucking hate Republicans (thread #2)
I'm with porphyrian.

It is my GOD GIVEN, or Constitutional Right to HATE any miserable, low-life sonofabitch that wants to put ME and MINE down to serfdom. PERIOD.

I know there are some out there that have rePuke relatives or significant others. I'm sorry if this hurts their feelings, but in a REPUBLIC, where it's "Winner Take All," if you dance in the Devil's Disco, you go to HELL.

If you're a Republican and you don't support Bush, Frist, Hastert, Hatch, DeLay and the rest of Satan's little helpers...QUIT. NOW. Send in your party resignation. Otherwise, you support by default.

As to the enablers and their "It's a Small World After All" attitude toward the rePukes, I quote the musical Oliver (this was on the subject of marriage):

"The Law supposes your wife obeys your instructions."

"If that is the opinion of the Law, then the Law is an ASS. If that is the opinion of the Law, then the Law is a BACHELOR, and the worst I can hope for is that it may learn BY EXPERIENCE, sir, BY EXPERIENCE."

I repeat: if you are a Republican now, SUPPORT Bush, or QUIT.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:06 PM
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1. We are the enemy.
Until we are willing to call a traitor a traitor, we will never effectively combat the treason.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #1
13. Confession
I have a confession to make. The other day in our town, a teacher at a Christian school died in a traffic accident. He was, by all accounts, a pretty nice guy. But I KNOW he and his family were card-carrying members of the American Taliban, and total Repukes and Bush supporters. I found myself thinking that I was happy there was one less of them to vote in November. That's sick, and I am ashamed of myself, but that's what it's come to. I absolutely hate those people and they are destroying our country.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #13
14. Yes, I agree, you are sick.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #14
18. At least I own up to it...what's their excuse?
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #18
38. It's fine to acknowledge your own inner demons
Something else again to do something about it that makes a positive contribution to society. We can't really move forward unless we do.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:51 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. Never feel bad about being honest about your emotions.
It's not wrong to feel any emotion. It's wrong to allow emotion to drive you to do wrong things. Half of the twins Mengele studied thought he was a wonderful, fatherly man. Horrible people can act good, and good people can do bad things. As long as you aren't advocating republican death as an election strategy, I think it's OK to acknowledge it's one less vote for them. I guarantee very few of them are losing sleep over the number of Democrats who won't be voting along the Gulf Coast any more.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:35 PM
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41. sorry I disagree
As someone who has been a counselor for two decades I reject that permissiveness of emotional acceptance that has been preached in self groups and inpatient units since the 80's....all crap.
In general the statement can be relatively true. The scope of most people's emotional experiences are justifiable. Accepting emotions is wonderful and a healing experience. But don't tell me that any thing you feel is OK. It isn't. Feeling joy over someones suffering is not OK. Getting off, hot and exited, on someone's misery is not OK. Feeling shame when you did nothing wrong is not ok. We need to appropriately judge our emotions.

I am not saying we beat ourselves up and shame ourselves over having them, but not challenging them and judging them appropriately is just as damaging.

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Slimedevil Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #41
64. Too Much Hatred - No Viable Solutions
I've watched things in here for some time and must admit that this place is filled with hatred and emotionalism. I look for reasonable alternatives; some are here, but one has to really comb through the replies to find them.

You have attempted to bring some reason to the debate. It's a welcome change. If we want to change things we can't do it by saying we hate people; we must cite a valid reason for the change and offer a reasonable path for change that maintains our rights.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 10:33 AM
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67. It is childish
Agreed. I just get tired of the people who claim they hate the people who hate in this country. Hmmm seems awfully inconsistent with the tenets of liberalism. They are just as bad as the hatemongering racists and religious freaks out there.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #13
47. No need to feel bad. I think your instincts are correct.
No matter how nice people seem, if they're willing to support lying, cheating, mass murder, corruption, torture, and so on, then death is just exactly what they have coming.
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specimenfred1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:55 PM
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48. A Similar Thing Happened to Me
and the same question of morality was forced into my thinking. My only answer was to take the suffering on an individual basis. For instance, I didn't really know if the repuke would have enjoyed my suffering a similar fate although I was pretty sure they would have.

I hate most repuke policies, hate repuke criminals and traitors, hate being lied to for years on end, hate bigot repukes, etc...but never wish them dead. I wish for different leadership, different policies, accountability and a majority that wouldn't fall for complete BS. However, some people are just so horrible that sometimes you just can't help but be glad they're gone.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:55 PM
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56. I hate them too, but I don't wish them dead or rejoice if they are killed.
He had a family and they will suffer his death. His choice of politics shouldn't result in others rejoicing in his death.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:13 PM
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58. Nothing wrong with that
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. I hope you don't have kids
Or otherwise spreading your seed around this world..
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. Take your negativity elsewhere...I was only telling the poster not to...
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 10:22 PM by mitchum
beat up on himself.
I will go speading my seed while you go on spilling yours (just as you're doing on this thread)
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:06 PM
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2. "but if you want money for people with minds that hate
all I can tell you is brother, you've got to wait..."
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 12:13 PM
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3. NO.
This is a WAR. Not a war brought on by US, not a war where WE fired the first shot, not a war where WE populated the "Intellectual Concentration Camps."

Not US. But we have a choice: The FIGHT the intellectual Nazis like the Nazis in WWII were confronted and defeated, die trying, or line up for the Idealogical Gas Chambers.

I will not go down without a fight. NOT when I'm not the one who hit first.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:04 PM
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4. I am glad I found this thread. You speak for me too.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:46 PM
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5. Isn't hatred THEIR essential feature?
Can you fight hatred with hatred, without becoming what you are supposedly fighting against - intolerant, hateful bigots?

I have posted this on DU

"I do not wish to be known as just a Bush-hater.
I also hate Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Dennis Hastert, Senator Frist, Newt Gingrich, Tommy Thompson, Alan Greenspan, Donald Rumsfeld, Tony Snow, John Snow, etc., etc., all of the shills and liars and evil bastards who push the pro-corporate, anti-worker, anti-environment, anti-government, pro-war policies that comprise the Republican agenda."

However, hating Republican big shots is one thing. Hating Republicans is another. It is not going to win elections. Yes, I know that it has not hurt them to hate us, but they do it in "red" states where our numbers are small. I have gone to two Bush protests in my area and both times, even last month, there has been 3 or four times as many people standing in line to see him than there has been in our protest crowd.

If hatred of another American because of the way they vote is legitimate, then it is legitimate for them to hate me. I do not believe it is legitimate to hate me. This is not a war. It is a democracy, a discussion, maybe even a heated argument. I will not go along with hate mongers of either side who want to make it a war, because "you can no more win a war than you can win an earthquake."

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:02 PM
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8. Hatred is just a human emotion.
As with any other emotion, feeling it doesn't mean you are consumed by it or somehow possessed by it, nor does it make you a bigot.

Intolerance of some things is a good thing. Everyone here is fairly intolerant of murder (though some would be OK with exceptions). We're all intolerant of rape, as far as I can tell. Why should we be tolerant of behavior that supports or promotes the agenda of the traitors destroying America and other parts of the world for their own profit?
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:23 PM
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15. perhaps because I expect the same from them
and second because it is not very persuasive

To some, liberals and socialists and homosexuals and feminists and environmentalists and so on are people who support or promote the agenda of "traitors destroying America and other parts of the world". Do we find their hatred of us to be persuasive or just evidence of their mental instability?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:33 PM
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19. Hatred based on ignorance is only persuasive to the ignorant.
Hatred isn't a symptom of mental instability, it's simply an ugly emotion to witness in the mentally unstable. Feeling hate makes us no more like them than drinking water does (assuming they also still do that).
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:06 PM
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24. as a well read guy with two degrees
I wish we could get over the whole "ignorant" thing. There are not two kinds of people - the ignorant and the non-ignorant. All people are ignorant. My mechanic does not know how to solve differential equations. I do not know how to change a fuel filter. I do not know the atomic weight of berrylium. In fact, I do not even know how to spell beryllium without looking it up.

Yet we seem to want to call large groups of people "the ignorant" and we decide that very quickly, maybe because they have a fish or a Bush sticker on their car. I think that nearly-instant and self-righteous blanket hatred does make us like them. It makes us the Crips to their Bloods.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:28 PM
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25. Your system of categorization isn't better, just different.
We can argue that the verb "to be" should be eliminated from conversation as it presupposes that things in our reality have a defining Aristotelean essence outside of their existential manifestation, a claim that can neither be proven nor disproven, thus making any statement using the verb "to be" pure speculation. However, that wouldn't address the validity of feeling hatred towards those responsible for the bush cabal being in power.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:17 PM
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31. to be, or not to be?
I did not think that was the question.

Okay, the validity of feeling hatred towards Republican.
Why? - because they voted Bush into office and Frist et. al.
I say this is no more valid than a Republican hating me for putting Clinton and Harkin and Feingold in office.
Why? - because they are ignorant.
I say that is not valid. Ignorant of what? Of how evil the BFEE is? How can they be informed when Democratic governors get on stage with Bush and say that it is an honor for him to visit Manhattan, Ks (for example)? (and she is caught in the trap of needing to suck up to Republican voters to get herself re-elected).

I was not talking about Aristotlean essences. I was talking about the invalidity of seeing people in "the simplest terms, the most convenient definitions" (to quote the Breakfast Club) and I think that being more tolerant and understanding and compassionate is not just different from wholesale hate - it is better.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:36 PM
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35. It wasn't, but neither was "the ignorant."
I said that hate is an appropriate emotion to have towards republicans, as membership enables and supports the treason done by their elected representatives. I said the danger of hatred comes from combining it with ignorance.

You then went on a diatribe about your credentials and how you don't like the use of "the ignorant" as a group in a debate.

I pointed out that we can debate semantics all day, but it has nothing to do with feeling hatred for those responsible for the ruination of our country.

Now, you are saying that hating republicans for their role in promoting and supporting the traitors in office is invalid because of ignorance? What the hell are you talking about?

Tolerance, understanding and compassion all have their place, and mine are all used up on those who are traitors and those who support them.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:57 PM
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43. diatribes, credentials and semantics
Oh my!

"Hatred based on ignorance is only persuasive to the ignorant" is what you said. Which seemed to me to create a large group of people you consider to be "the ignorant".

I do not consider my "diatribe" to be just about "semantics". It is one of our themes or articles of conventional wisdom that "people who do not agree with us, and Americans, in general, are ignorant". I take umbrage at that sweeping generalization.

As far as my credentials go. I apologize for sharing information about myself, especially since it seems to have made you feel inadequate :P I forgot the purpose of this discussion is not to exchange information or POVs but rather to engage in some kind of contest where you vanquish anyone who dares to disagree with you. (clearly I should score big with that sarcastic comment).

You sorta proved my point though "Tolerance, understanding and compassion all have their place, and mine are all used up on those who are traitors and those who support them."

Your tone here shows that your shortage of "tolerance, understanding, and compassion" also spills over onto me (and I am sending you the dry cleaning bill). You look for ways to disparage the "diatribes" and "semantics" of people who disagree with you and sarcastically ask "What the hell are you talking about?"

And here I was looking to enjoy a vigorous dialectic on my birthday, arguing semantics for hours and you gotta go spoil it. :cry:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:15 PM
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54. Thanks!
I'm glad I could give you the opportunity to make fun of my choice of vocabulary on your birthday! I still fucking hate all republicans, but your clever use of smilies and quotation marks to set off my "big words" was such a riot that I'm no longer "condemning" them with a big brush, but individually, in reverse alphabetic order. Sure, it'll take longer, but I wouldn't want to "accidentally" accuse any individual republican of being a fucking traitor that I hate just because they support the republican party through continued "membership." They might be related to someone who isn't republican, or they might regret voting for bush both times, thus absolving them of all responsibility for their actions! Thanks for pointing out the "mature" thing to do!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 11:27 PM
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65. I am actually trying to make some points
and not just playing games. Although I was trying to be funny, my purpose was not "to make fun of your choice of vocabulary". Nor is using quotation marks some kind of trick. They signify that those are somebody else's words, and not necessarily mine.
I'm sorry I could not make you laugh. Maybe this will work better, although it is not original.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. "Can you...
..fight hatred with hatred, without becoming what you are supposedly fighting against - intolerant, hateful bigots?"

Yes, and I don't necessarily equate the loathing and dread one experiences when confronting fascism and right wing zealots as "fighting hatred with hatred," for there is an appropriate sense of revulsion and disdain when facing those who support that which is ignorant, unjust, immoral and unconscionable.

They do rely on hatred, but their's is a movement grounded in psychological projection: imputing to others that which they are most guilty of. So, in this sense, one could charge, guilty of a lacking in any true, moral outrage. Don't confuse justifiable anger with the convoluted hatred which springs from ignorance and prejudice.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:46 PM
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20. fascism and right wing zealots
As one of a very small minority in my area who went to a war protest and also protested two Bush visits to my area, I seem to be a left wing zealot. Who else would rent a car and drive for two hours to stand in the cold holding a sign?

I felt the need to apologize to my congressman after I blasted him for his ignorance:

"Upon reflection, my previous words were ill considered. I consider theReagan tax cut myth to be a lie which is inimical to the interests of
America, particularly those in the working class. The lie angers me, but I should restrict my attacks to the lie. If someone is spreading the lie
because they were misinformed, it does no good to attack them while
providing them with better information."

Although I also added this:

"Still, I expect people with the resources and responsibilities of a representative or a President to be better informed."

How much more so do we need to be understanding of the uninformed voter? If they are ignorant, they can be informed, but they will not listen to somebody who is hostile or disparaging. Also, I find that "revulsion and disdain" seem to be a knee-jerk reaction which is neither fair nor a credit to the person who is so quick with their contempt. Thus, I felt the need to add Isaac's quote to my signature line.
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Ufomammut Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
51. If the situation wasn't as grim as it is...
"How much more so do we need to be understanding of the uninformed voter? If they are ignorant, they can be informed, but they will not listen to somebody who is hostile or disparaging. Also, I find that "revulsion and disdain" seem to be a knee-jerk reaction which is neither fair nor a credit to the person who is so quick with their contempt."

Knee-jerk reaction to people who have no moral qualms with hundreds of thousands of slaughtered families in the name of "liberdy and freedumb?"
Hardly. And good luck with "informing" those brainwashed fools who give less than a shit about anything beyond what's immediately "in it" for appeasing their own ego, irrespective of truth or justice.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:52 PM
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6. Good luck in life
So long as you are filled with hate you will never be happy.

Hope you figure that out before too much of your life is over.

Cheers.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:11 PM
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10. Horseshit.
Human emotions are simply biochemical washes excreted into our systems by glands. Perhaps your own body is only capable of experiencing a single emotion at a time, but I and many other people I know have bodies capable of multiple emotions at once, as well as the intellect to control our actions despite them. Hate is no more a problem than sadness or joy for those who aren't ignorant and/or controlled by their emotions.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #10
12. Correct
Hence my use of the phrase "filled with hate", i.e. filled with hate to the exclusion of other emotions.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:24 PM
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16. What was your point, then?
Are you saying the OP is filled with hate to the exclusion of other emotions, suggesting you know them well enough to understand their emotional condition, or did you just parrot the all-consuming hatred cliche to sound like you're taking the high road?
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #16
28. seen this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

might help you get a handle on this person's general POV
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-29-06 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #12
66. I think "filled with hate" or "excluding other emotions" is unwarranted.
Hate, yes, which he copped to. Filled with hate is your conclusion. Other emotions excluded, well, I can tell you that as a person who feels the hate for Bush and his coconspirators, I just had a lovely piece of toast with guava jam that brought me peace and tranquility.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #6
27. I keep wondering why you post here
everything I've ever seen from you is pro-corporate, anti-labor

am I missing other stuff?

please bring me up to speed
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #27
44. Yes you are missing other stuff
I am:

Pro-gay marriage
Pro-choice
Anti capital punishment
Opposed to the repeal of the estate tax
Opposed to torture
Opposed to indefinite imprisonment of people at Gitmo without trial

That help?

I admit that I am conservative (I prefer the term libertarian) on economic issues, and that is what I happen to post most about. Perhaps I should throw in a few amen's on a torture thread here and there so people don't get the completely wrong opinion :)

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 01:58 PM
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7. I look forward to the destruction of the GOP.
Watching them eat each other will be my schadenfreude. :D


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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #7
29. haaaaa...your graphic didn't come up til I started typing this
I was going to put THAT same thing in my response

Can I watch with you?

that's the perfect ending to this monstrous regime: cannibalization

karma/schaudenfreude don't usually mix, but in this case....
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:11 PM
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9. I never really hated until 1981
Then a white hot hatred aganst anything republican began building, it was they themselves fueling the fire, taking good care of munero uno and the fuck with everyone else.
It continued on through the eighties, getting hotter and hotter, now with this current crop, it's a wonder I'm not consumed by spontaneus combustion.
Never, never have i felt the utter contempt and willingness to completely disengage and title worthless this batch of incompetent sons of bitches.
Yeah, I hate fucking republicans too, and I don't give a shit who cares either damn every one of their black souless hearts to the hell they so feverently believe in.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:27 PM
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17. You know, no matter what happens..
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 02:27 PM by mvd
just because we're liberals, we are the real enemy. While I don't like to hate back, there's no reason for us to take such vitriol.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #17
34. How important is civility?
An LTTE I wrote responding to a newspaper column.

The Apostle Paul exhorted the Phillipians to think about "whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable." So I probably should ignore Joseph Perkins latest piece of scurrilous slanderous screed, but since it is an insult to every right thinking American it deserves a robust rebuke.
America is supposed to be a country where people are free to disagree with each other and with their President and elected representatives. Americans agree to disagree, and a big part of that agreement is some measure of respect for those with opposing viewpoints no matter how ignorant or foolish you consider them to be. You can attack ideas, but you should respect the people holding those ideas.
Perkins column is not a reasoned discussion of ideas, but a vitriolic attack against people who oppose the Iraq war and/or oppose Bush. Look at the words he uses to describe us (Americans like me who exercise our constitutional right to oppose Bush and all his insidious ideas) - "ugliest, decayed, degraded, miserable creature, unworthy, perverse, absurd, and knee-jerk critics". We are motivated, he says, by politics, not by principle. The principled people marching to oppose war are "useful idiots" according to Perkins.
He is talking not only about war protestors and "Bush-bashing opinion writers," but also "those stumping for the Democratic presidential nomination".
Finally, he ends his hate-filled column by once again insinuating that we are traitors - "Their opposition, their criticism is fuel not so much by reason, but by hatred - toward their president or toward their country."
That would be an interesting test. If Bush tried to: raise the minimum wage, help the unemployed and working poor, protect the environment, prosecute corporate crimes, appoint moderates as judges and cabinet members, enhance civil liberties, raise taxes on the top 5%, tell the truth and admit his mistakes, call for more cooperation and less vitriol, or try to create peace - if he did some of that, would we still hate him? Please try it, Mr. President.
Could Perkins point to some of Bush's positive accomplishments instead of bashing Bush's critics? Does Perkins think it is wrong to hate a President who lies to us? Is it wrong to write: "And it is because of the sum total of his transgressions ... that is no longer fit to occupy this nation's highest office." or "And your man, the president, is a scoundrel of historic rank."
Certainly that is what we believe when we read David Corn's "The Lies of George W. Bush", but those two quotes were written on 9-18-98 and 8-18-98 as part of the odious oeuvre of Joseph Perkins - an apostle of a gospel of hate.


As a fan of Henry Carter Adams, I like to see the plane of competition raised. Is our political discourse going to be a reasoned discussion of facts and values, or is it going to be a brawl of lies and name-calling? Hopefully, nobody is going to be "disappeared" which means that we need to try to live together - atheist and fundamentalist, bicyclist and SUV driver, socialist and libertarian, etc. Perkins suggestion that we are the "ugliest, unworthy, decayed, degraded, absurd and perverse miserable creatures" seems to me one very small step away from calling us "sub-human" or "demons in human form" or some such. By gosh, we are 99 and 44/100ths evil, aren't we?
Of course, Bush and Cheney and Thompson really are evil, but many of their deluded supporters, some of whom I will have lunch with tomorrow, are not. Of course, the local Republican women leader does not seem to understand that I would be deeply offended by their donation of the book "Treason" to the local public library.
Still, I like to think that my ruthless criticism of Bush and Perkins is an amalgam of facts seasoned with clever invective rather than a potion of mean-spirited invective seasoned with lies and slanted statistics and double-standards.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:10 PM
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57. Good letter
And most effective the way you did it. Yes, I do hate Bush and many of the Freeper types. I'm not going to say I just hate the action with them. But I don't really hate some of the Republicans - the ones I know just have a character flaw that's on the ignorant or evil side.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:53 PM
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22. I hate anyone who stands between me and a cure for parkinsons.
And I absolutely hate anyone who thinks an embryo is more important than an actual living human being.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 02:59 PM
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23. Me tooooo! They are some sickshit people!
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:36 PM
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26. You could be compassionate to those of us who have repuke family
Edited on Tue Mar-28-06 03:39 PM by tnlefty
members, because it ain't easy!!!! I've been chastised here before for stating that they vote repuke for reasons of racism, greed, etc. and there are cries that they're just seeing things from a different point of view (yeah, no shit). The last time that I was at a gathering of my family was the night of the Oscars and it was a birthday dinner for me and my 3 kids. Here are the highlights from that lovely evening:

During dinner my hubby innocently said something about the Oscars being that night. Both of my brothers and sisters-in-law started gay-bashing to a level that was sickening. I was stunned because I knew that they along with my mom are racist jerks, but the level of the nastiness with the gay-bashing truly stunned me.

Later, the older of the 2 brothers and I got into a "discussion" outside that lasted for about an hour. Nothing that BushCo** is doing or has done is all that bad because less taxes are being paid and people are making money. War profiteering as a result of the lying to start an immoral, unjust war is OK because corps. are making money. Outsourcing and destroying the job market is OK cause corps. are making money. That my kids aren't really old enough to have jobs, but are in debt to the tune of over $30K each because of the junta's policies - no problem. Destroying education and their prospects for the future - no problem. This is just a small sample of all that was discussed, but killing innocents, trashing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, illegal wiretapping and on and on and on just doesn't matter because someone is making money and "I don't have to pay as much in taxes as I used to."

It took me about 3 days to start to feel emotionally 'normal' again. It was truly shocking to hear this coming out of his mouth, especially when the war was discussed as I remember well his sweating out the draft during Viet Nam. A neighbor had one of these encounters with her father when her parents came to visit and she was still having a hard time when she was discussing this with me 2 days after their discussion.

It's difficult for me to deal with the amount of disgust and revulsion that I have for members of my family sometimes, and I understand why you posted this. I just can't bring myself to use the word hate in relation to them or my in laws, I'll stick with disgust and revulsion.

Peace. :hi:

edit: stupid typo
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 03:46 PM
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30. I have a friend who justifies most of the worst of the junta's
military/economic depredations on manifest destiny, basically, tinged with social darwinism

we get whatever we want because we CAN!

he thinks he's pretty well supported logically/informationally, but when I asked him what he knew about PNAC, etc: crickets

after I filled him in, he said, "great! good for them!"
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:19 PM
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33. OY!
:eyes:

I know some folks like that too. They weren't too happy when I pointed out they have a similar belief system as Adolf Hitler.


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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:42 PM
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36. you wouldn't believe this guy....btw, seen this?
feel free to placed that nice portrait there...I don't think I should

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:19 PM
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46. That's the attitude that really gets to me.
Might makes right and all of that. Sickens me.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 04:19 PM
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32. I feel your pain...BELIEVE ME.
My brother: rePuke. Not extreme but backs up his wife who thinks Clinton should have gone to jail, and should still be there.

Sister and her husband: rePukes. Mom: Democrat, but has disowned me, thanks to Sis.

I feel your pain. I am in sympathy. But I no longer tolerate people in my life who believe in the subjugation of others for weirdo religous or monetary reasons.

Family or no: They are no longer on my party list.
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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:17 PM
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37. Ouch! Sucks doesn't it. It is very painful to realize that my family
members can disregard the horrors in Iraq just so that they and others can make a buck. That it's okay to destroy the country for greed and bigotry. It's hard on the young'uns, too. We don't go around as often as we used to and I'm gonna push for nuclear family holidays for a while, 'cause I'm tired of holidays and gathering being ruined by the crap they bring up and say, and I think it's ridiculous that I feel a need to let someone else do the driving so that I can drink a beer just to take the edge off of being around them. Pre-emptive coping as I refer to it.

Sorry that you have this and worse going on with you. I originally was trying to use smartass humor, and I hope that you understood that.

Here :hug:
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:24 PM
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39. It really comes down to this
And I've said this before, but it bears repeating because some people are still wondering when those 30% will "get it:"

If you're actually informed, and you still vote Republican, you're just a bad person.

Simple as that.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:25 PM
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40. Let me be the fifth to K&R!
They're either with the neocons/Nazis Scumbags, or against them!

And don't give me that Brother, Brother, Brother, Brother, 'cause I, I found oooout! The hard freakin' way!
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 05:45 PM
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42. And I'm Disgusted By Individuals That Spout Narrow Minded, Ignorant,
broad brush, misguided, self righteous, prejudiced, harmfully intended, black and white mentality and hate spreading rhetoric geared towards large groups of diverse people.

Fair enough, I guess.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 06:15 PM
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45. The republicans started with the hatred
If you want hatred, just listen to any right wing hate radio talk show, watch Sean Hannity on Faux News, or read any Ann Coulter column.
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:41 PM
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53. So than it is ok to act just like them?
oooook.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 09:41 PM
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55. Maybe the DNC should take this thread to use when crafting
the next party platform.

I think the venom, vitriol and bile will win LOTS of people to our way of think--er...um...our way of EMOTING.
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Joey Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:31 PM
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63. Of course not
Just compare the threads on DU to Free Republic. You will see far more hatred from them. After all the hatred spewed by the republicans on a daily basis, do you not expect some bitterness from us in response? I hate the republicans. If you don't like it, you just have to deal with it.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:45 PM
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49. "I piss down the throats of these nazis"
we miss you Hunter.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 07:47 PM
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50. I'm with you
They declared open war on me and mine. Lying cheating sack of shit homophobes. Fuck 'em.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 08:29 PM
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52. Then you may enjoy this article as I did
It's snarky, and a bit off your topic. But I agree with you. They voted for that fucker, they can stick with the consequences or get off their asses and get those assholes out of office.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename...
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:14 PM
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59. The world would be a much better place without them
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-28-06 10:17 PM
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61. I absolutely will not discuss politics with them
I let them know that they are contributing to the downfall of the country they say they love so much.
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Brian Stevens Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 01:01 AM
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68. Here might be an idea
What do you think about having a militia or something like that?
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YouthInAsia Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 02:03 AM
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69. Then you might like this blog post
Edited on Thu Mar-30-06 02:08 AM by YouthInAsia
This guys sounds about as angry as you are. Here's a sampling:

"I have reached a point with these people that is dangerous. Don't speak to me if you are a reich-winger. Don't approach me, don't even look at me. Infect your own families with your filthy disease. The time has come where I am no longer able to deal with these people on any civil level whatsoever. You are my sworn enemy. An enemy with whom I will not be satifsfied until it is wiped off this continent. Removed from my vision and whose stench of hate is cleansed from my nostrils. I am no longer capable of even feigning civility around christo-fascist republicans. I look upon them with a dangerous feeling of contempt and disgust which I'm sure is visible in my scowled face and balled up fists. I tremble in the presence of a republican, not from fear of them, but from fear of myself. You can only fuck with people for so long until they revert to their animal instincts and strike back. Maybe ALL "non-believers" should be granted firearm carry permits to protect themselves from unwarranted, unprovoked attacks by the christian right."

http://comearmageddon.blogspot.com/2006/03/night-riders...





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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-30-06 02:31 AM
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70. checkitout checkitout checkitout checkitout checkitout
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

eric blumrich:

I Hate Republicans

best song ever (maybe)
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