Should we all just move to Europe?

[Hope springs eternal]

Europe needs people, and Americans need an exit straegy. So, with that in mind, do you think there will be a mass migration out of the US to Latin America, Asia and Europe sometime soon?

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. Not if they keep talkin the way they have... we'll be invading soon

so you had better find yourself another planet. Sorry for the bad news.... :(

[Warpy]

2. I think it may already have started

among educated younger folks who are reading the writing on the wall concerning the massive offshoring of US jobs.

I know I'd be looking into it if I had either youth or health on my side.

[AndyTiedye]

23. Especially Those Who Are DRAFT Age

[Hello_Kitty]

3. Why does Europe need people?

The birthrates have gone down but immigration from the Middle East and Africa if offsetting the population loss. The only people complaining about that are White supremacist-types who bemoan the threat of being outnumbered by dark people.

[rman]

12. Influence of White supremacist-types is increasing, i'm afraid

Coming elections might change things a bit, but on the whole we are shifting to the Right and so far only Spain has responded by taking a Left turn.

[Ezlivin]

4. We need to buy an island (but check it for radiation first)

It's a shame we bombed the hell out of the Bikini Atoll. It looked pretty nice.

Could we afford Hawaii? Let me go and check my bank account....

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. Buy the island for the rightwing nuts, they are the ones who hate 'Murica

Make sure it's far, far, FAR away.

[RedStateHell]

5. Well so many

of us couldn't afford a move to Europe. :( It's just so unfair.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Welcome to DU. I can't afford Canada either. :^(

[Fovea]

6. I have to, eventually

because my health insurance has run out, my disability insurance runs out at 60, and I need to live in a civilized nation with universal health care or I will die while trying to decide to go to the ER.

[rman]

14. universal health care has been privatized

here in The Netherlands per 1-1-2006.

Personally i think Venezuela is the most civilized nation right now.

[driver8]

8. I'm trying to talk my wife into it. I would love to live in another

country for awhile.

[thefool_wa]

11. Someone in another thred

suggested New Zealand. That could be nice.

I too am talking it up to my wife, could be an adventure.

[zippy890]

25. New Zealand would be my choice

its just so expensive to get there

[thefool_wa]

29. For sure

We need to get together a flotilla and go there cuban-refugee style j/k

[thefool_wa]

10. Why do we have to leave???

Why can't we just build camps on the Mexican border and move the Repugs into them. I was thinking we could make them huge call centers and force these pukes to talk to the people that they hate all day, every day.

That, and a little taste of their own medicine would be good for em.

[buddysmellgood]

13. What? You think there aren't any assholes in Europe?

[rman]

17. European governments are as of yet less assholish

then the US government (as per majority rule), but we'r getting there.

[AndyTiedye]

24. You Still Have Majority Rule. We Have Diebold and Blackwell

They flipped 30% of the vote in Ohio last November and got away with it.

[rman]

28. We have Nedap

Ireland cancels e-voting
5 May, 2004
Electronic voting
http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number2.9/evote

Ireland has cancelled the use of electronic voting machines for the upcoming European elections in June after an independent commission said the secrecy and accuracy of the voting could not be guaranteed. The Irish government has spent 40 million euros on voting machines from the Dutch manufacturer Nedap. The Irish opposition demands the resignation of the responsible minister for the Environment and Local Government, Martin Cullen.

There has been a fierce public debate in Ireland about the introduction of e-voting after technical experts raised concerns on the reliability of the voting machines and its software. In 2002 the Irish security firm Zerflow reviewed the Nedap machines and concluded that manipulation of the voting process was possible. Experts and civil society groups have since then pushed for an independent review of the source code and the implementation of a paper trail (Voter Verified Audit Trail). The paper trail should make it possible for voters to see the result of their voting on paper as they can't see what happens inside voting machines. The machine might display one vote to the voter and record something else internally. The paper ballot can also be used for a manual re-count if desired. The Nedap machines do not provide such a paper trail.

In March 2004 the Irish government set up the Independent Commission on Electronic Voting to review the secrecy and accuracy of the Nedap system. In its report the commission concludes "that it is not in a position to recommend with the requisite degree of confidence the use of the chosen system at elections in Ireland in June 2004". "(..) the Commission has not been able to satisfy itself as to the accuracy and secrecy of the system (..)".

One of the problems is that the software used, is not available for a full review: "The Commission did not obtain access to the full source code and there is not sufficient time before the June elections to allow a full code review of the final version of the software that would be necessary before it could be used in these elections".

The Nedap machines are being used in the Netherlands by approximately 80% of the voters. The source code is not publicly available in The Netherlands nor obtained by the Dutch government. The machines are tested but the test reports are confidential.

<more>

[buddysmellgood]

26. This is obvioulsy a condition that changes over time. But if you like to

move around, it could be an answer for you.

[Ksec]

15. I say we move the GOP to China

Im stayin here, this is OUR country. The way the Rethugs are self destructing we will be in charge soon.

rethugs to the minority and take the slime with ya.

[Greyhound]

16. If...

the re:puke:s ever let me make another pile of cash, We are so outta here.

[AZBlue]

18. NO WAY! America was established as a democracy.

We're the ones who believe in democracy. We get to stay!

We should drive out the ones that don't want democracy!
(Not that Europe will take them. Maybe they could start their own country. I hear there's some open land still left in the Antarctic.)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

19. If the Repubs "win" in 2008 - I would think about it then.....

Until the, the "true" America needs my vote and my fighting.

[Ladyhawk]

20. No one would want me.

I'm too poor and too sick. It's a shame because I have a lot to offer, otherwise. :shrug:

Also, I've never traveled abroad so I don't even have the faintest idea of where I'd like to move should things get too hairy here.

I still think we should try to save the US from itself because what happens will affect the entire world. The only problem is I feel too ineffective. Every time I decide to try harder the stress affects me and I get sicker. I need to take care of my health before anything else. I'm beginning to think I may have to put all things political on the back burner despite vows and promises made to myself and to others. :(

[catmother]

21. i've done some research on costa rica, but i think it would apply

more to older people. you can live there comfortably for $600.00 a month american money, but you can't take a job away from a costa rican. i believe you can start your own company. it's a democracy, no army, educated, peaceful people.

for $1500.00 a month you can live royally. the average costa rican makes $250-$300 a month.

[sweetheart]

22. pockets of light

I think the word "europe" might better be phrased "abroad",
as in, "Should we all just move abroad?" Any european nation
you immigrate-to will expect you to learn the language and become
a successful immigrant. The tradition of immigration is not there
like it is in the US, and immigrants have a hard time in many
european nations. "we" are politically disenfranchised, and often
right wing whingers who don't have a dog to kick, kick immigrants.

And, thanks to bush, whatever nation you do move to, will be a
lifetime struggle to integrate. When i left, i was focused on
"getting out" like escaping from a prison. Getting finances set up
abroad is something to do first, that you have bank accounts and
whatnot when you arrive wherever, not in american banks that give
all your details to the nazis.

And wherever you move abroad, you'll see the tragic impact of
american hegemony, as for every wealth in the US is another culture
sucking wind somewhere. If you move to the rural areas of jamaica,
as in the film "life and debt", you'll then inherit the suffering
of the persons of the jamaican countryside as screwed by IMF/World bank
financiers.

But, as hard as it was, i recommend getting out if you feel the
impulse. Going back to the US is easy if you ever want to... its
only a flight. Getting out, however, is probably the most difficult
thing my familiy has ever done.

Its not that there is a berlin wall stopping you, rather that wall is
economic, and as many persons on this thread confess, the economic
wall is too high. Many people tried to escape across the berlin
wall. The young and infirm were not usually amongst the successful.
Same same here.... getting out, as a poster said erlier, is for
young professionals and persons who see the handwriting on the wall,
and who have the means to do something about it.

if you're over 45 is where the problem comes in, due to many socialize
medicine states not taking people older than a certain age. If you are
considering getting out, the magic number is 45. After that, the
wall is 10 times higher.

Good luck for those who have a go at leaving. If you follow your heart
and run with it, it will work out fine. The world is a much safer
place than the united states, and i breathe a sign of relief every
time i clear US airspace.

[Skittles]

27. I won't let neocon bastards run me out of my own country

not now, not EVER

[Nikki Stone 1]

30. The question is. "Will Europe even TAKE us?"

Methinks the answer is a resounding "no", but I'll reserve judgement until I hear otherwise.