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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:28 PM
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Helen Thomas: They didn't do anything to you, or to our country.
Edited on Wed Mar-22-06 01:32 PM by understandinglife
Larry Johnson highlights something that is worthy of reflection and distribution to others.

Bush: ... Part of that meant to make sure that we didn't allow people to provide safe haven to an enemy. And that's why I went into Iraq -- hold on for a second --

HELEN THOMAS: They didn't do anything to you, or to our country.

Bush: Look -- excuse me for a second, please. Excuse me for a second. They did. The Taliban provided safe haven for al Qaeda. That's where al Qaeda trained --

HELEN THOMAS: I'm talking about Iraq --


We could dismiss this as just another verbal fumble but I think it reveals more. We know from Richard Clarke that while the World Trade Center and the Pentagon were still burning George Bush was pressing to go after Iraq. It was Iraq, not Al Qaeda, first on the lips of the President at that time even though he had been given a CIA report a month earlier that clearly warned, "Al Qaeda likely to attack inside the United States". So, until corrected by Helen Thomas, George Bush admitted he went into Iraq to get the Taliban who supported Al Qaeda. George, you and Dick Cheney share allot in common. You are quick on the trigger and you shoot the wrong target. Too bad none of your children are on the frontlines for this debacle. Perhaps if one of your daughters had died in Iraq or lost their legs you might appreciate the hell you have inflicted on some Americans because of your ignorance.

Link:
http://noquarter.typepad.com/my_weblog/2006/03/freudian_slip_i.html


I think one of the most important, poignant messages we can possibly send, to those of our fellow citizens who still don't get (or admit) that Bush and Cheney and their neoconster gang are treacherous criminals, are the words of Corporal Pat Tillman:

His close friend Army Spec. Russell Baer remembered, "I can see it like a movie screen. We were outside of (an Iraqi city) watching as bombs were dropping on the town.... We were talking. And Pat said, 'You know, this war is so fucking illegal.' And we all said, 'Yeah.' That's who he was. He totally was against Bush."

Link:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/10/153618/36


Yes. And no amount of spin will ever make it any less illegal, any less of an atrocity than it is.

Georgie and Dickie may be trying to build an insanity defense by appearing confused, but millions of folk are not the least confused about the scale and extent of war crimes committed by the two of them and their minions.


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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:36 PM
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1. Great Post ! Thanks. I heard him say that Taliban harbouring
too. Too bad it wasn't David Gregory asking Helen's question and he treated AssClown the same as he treat McClellan.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:38 PM
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2. Thanks for filling in the barely audible parts-GO HELEN! nt
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willows Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:41 PM
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3. One Party Reign
Sadly, the current proposal for censuring likely wont pass. Any and every attempt to show ALL of the people, Bush's misdeeds, and show that the bottom line is not national security, just gets thwarted.

For example it's the Republicans who are fanning the flames of censuring and impeachment to the public. Even though most supporters are not standing close to Feingold.

Why?
Well, because going back to 1998, Clintons ratings soared because the majority of the public thought impeachment was absurd. This caused party disloyalty even among the hard claiming Republicans in most households.

This administration has the Nation by the collar. Threaten it and you're blacklisted as sympathetic to Al Qaeda, against National security and thus for terrorism and against american freedoms.

Let's remember that Pres. Washington was a paleo conservative. He wouldn't have started this war, wouldn't have reverted all power to the federal government, and disrupted the constitution and checks and balances in an effort for supreme Commander in Cheif Reign.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:34 PM
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6. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:59 PM
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11. Welcome to DU.
We'll prevail.


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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 06:11 PM
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17. Hi willows!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:51 PM
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4. Video of the Bush-Thomas segment
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:25 PM
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12. Thank you. And, let me say once again, how grateful I am for all you do!
:toast:


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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 01:54 PM
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5. I am honored to send this to the Greatest Page with the 5th vote
I had been hoping someone would come up with what Helen was saying during Dubya's explosion of ignorance. You sure couldn't hear that during the press conference.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:37 PM
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7. More obfuscation
I think they're going for the Scooter defense: "I was just too damn busy to keep al-Qaeda and Iraq separated as they should have been."

Either way: LIAR!!!

K&R.

p.s. Helen Thomas is on Countdown with Keith tonight.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:57 PM
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8. "Either way: LIAR!!!" I agree.
:hi: my friend.

Neat that KO is having Helen Thomas on his show!!


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:58 PM
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9. I was out circulating petitions a couple of weekends ago at an
Sat night artwalk, and I was amazed at how ignorant young people (20's) were about the war. I came home depressed about the apathy of a nation uneffected by an immoral war that doesn't exist to them since it doesn't touch them. These are the folks who bu$h is talking to-the uninformed.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:46 PM
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13. It would be interesting to create a brief podcast about Pat Tillman ...
... and have it available for download at a variety of sites, like mtvU. Get a variety of folk from Bono, to Eminem, to ... talk about Pat Tillman. Can you imagine what would have happened if he had returned and campaigned against Bush in '04 - I don't think Rove's control of the central tabulators and touchscreen devices and the suppression of voters would have been sufficient to overcome the margin.

Let's face it, Pat Tillman had broader name recognition going into '04 than any of the Democratic candidates. And, that was especially true for exactly the folk Bu$h most needed to keep convinced that Saddam and 9/11 and WMD were all linked. Tillman would have crushed those notions and anyone trying to 'swift boat' him - especially since he was not a candidate.

Just look at these:







No doubt that this was a person Bush could not have had calling him a war criminal, and Iraq an illegal debacle, during the Summer and Fall of '04.


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:55 PM
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15. It would be great if a big name director did a movie so it would reach
the masses.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 04:18 PM
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16. I agree. Maybe Clooney or Lee could be convinced to do just that.
I actually think that if someone with direct access to either of them brought the issue to them, they'd do it.


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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 02:59 PM
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10. I saw this yesterday and was aghast at how obvious the "blunder" was
Is it possible that Junior believes his own rhetoric?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 03:50 PM
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14. Excellent fucking post!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 06:53 PM
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18. Scott Galindez: Someone Should Tell Bush Why We Went to War
After yesterday's presidential news conference, I am beginning to wonder if George W. Bush knows why we went to war with Iraq. He should just come clean and admit that we went to war because Dick, Wolfie, and Rummy told him to.

Three years into the war and the President still can't answer the question of why we went to war in the first place. It is perfectly clear now why he can't meet with Cindy Sheehan. Imagine him saying to Cindy, "after September 11th, we realized killers could destroy innocent life." Hmmmm, we have a president who didn't know that prior to 9/11?

Imagine him telling Cindy that we invaded Iraq because "the Taliban provided safe haven for al Qaeda. That's where al Qaeda trained...." Someone also needs to tell George that the Taliban probably wanted Saddam out of power too; bin Laden did. Of course he knows the Taliban were in Afghanistan, doesn't he?

<clip>

Please, one of you neo-cons, brief the President on the real reason for the war in Iraq, so the next time a reporter asks him a real question he doesn't embarrass us again.

Link:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/032206A.shtml


Please ...


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Catamount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 09:13 PM
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19. Excellent post as always, thanks U!
I have one question, wasn't Tillman killed in Afghanistan?
:hi:


K&R
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 09:43 PM
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20. Tillman was killed in Afghanistan
Three bullets to his head. His clothes and flak jacket were burned shortly thereafter.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:31 AM
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25. And, his diary "was disapeared" ...
The quote was from the time he was on duty in Iraq before going to Afghanistan.


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Heewack Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:02 PM
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21. Bush was caught in yet another couple of lies
"I was hoping to solve this problem diplomatically. That's why I went to the Security Council; that's why it was important to pass 1441, which was unanimously passed."

He did not go to the U.N. to solve this diplomatically. He was dragged there by Blair and others for legitimacy. He didn't even want to go to the U.S. Congress.

"And when he chose to deny inspectors, when he chose not to disclose, then I had the difficult decision to make to remove him."

He didn't deny the inspectors. Blix said they needed more time and were told to leave the country by the U.S..
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:19 PM
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22. Around that time Saddam's Regime was...
destroying some missles and the Inspections were going forward.

The Press allows Bush to blatantly lie.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-23-06 01:34 AM
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26. "The Press allows Bush to blatantly lie." All The Time ....
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radio4progressives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:23 PM
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23. k&r
:applause:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-22-06 10:31 PM
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24. "We could dismiss this as just another verbal fumble but I think
it reveals more"

Damn right it does. That's exactly the answer I would expect from him.

He probably doesn't even know the difference between Iraq and Afghanistan. All he knows is that every decision he makes is the right one because God is telling him what to do.
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