In case y'all forgot -- RW quotes about Iraq from 2003

[Katherine Brengle]

"Tommy Franks and the coalition forces have demonstrated the old axiom
that boldness on the battlefield produces swift and relatively
bloodless victory. The three-week swing through Iraq has utterly
shattered skeptics' complaints." (Fox News Channel's Tony Snow,
4/27/03)

"The only people who think this wasn't a victory are Upper Westside
liberals, and a few people here in Washington." (Charles Krauthammer,
Inside Washington, WUSA-TV, 4/19/03)

"We're all neo-cons now." (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)

"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego
that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to
take that wager?" (Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)

"The majority of the American media who were in a position to comment
upon the progress of the war in the early going, and even after that,
got it wrong," Hume complained in the April 2003 speech (Richmond Times
Dispatch, 4/25/04). "They didn't get it just a little wrong. They got
it completely wrong."

"The war was the hard part. The hard part was putting together a
coalition, getting 300,000 troops over there and all their equipment
and winning. And it gets easier. I mean, setting up a democracy is
hard, but it is not as hard as winning a war."
(Fox News Channel's Fred Barnes, 4/10/03)

"He looked like an alternatively commander in chief, rock star, movie
star, and one of the guys."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, on Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' speech, 5/1/03)

"What's he going to talk about a year from now, the fact that the war
went too well and it's over? I mean, don't these things sort of lose
their--Isn't there a fresh date on some of these debate points?"
(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, speaking about Howard Dean--4/9/03)

"It is amazing how thorough the victory in Iraq really was in the
broadest context..... And the silence, I think, is that it's clear that
nobody can do anything about it. There isn't anybody who can stop him.
The Democrats can't oppose--cannot oppose him politically."
(Washington Post reporter Jeff Birnbaum-- Fox News Channel, 5/2/03)

"Now that the war in Iraq is all but over, should the people in
Hollywood who opposed the president admit they were wrong?"
(Fox News Channel's Alan Colmes, 4/25/03)

"I doubt that the journalists at the New York Times and NPR or at ABC
or at CNN are going to ever admit just how wrong their negative
pronouncements were over the past four weeks."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/9/03)

"I'm waiting to hear the words 'I was wrong' from some of the world's
most elite journalists, politicians and Hollywood types.... I just
wonder, who's going to be the first elitist to show the character to
say: 'Hey, America, guess what? I was wrong'? Maybe the White House
will get an apology, first, from the New York Times' Maureen Dowd. Now,
Ms. Dowd mocked the morality of this war....

"Do you all remember Scott Ritter, you know, the former chief U.N.
weapons inspector who played chief stooge for Saddam Hussein? Well, Mr.
Ritter actually told a French radio network that -- quote, "The United
States is going to leave Baghdad with its tail between its legs,
defeated." Sorry, Scott. I think you've been chasing the wrong tail,
again.

"Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle,
Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward
tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting
what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant,
they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these
self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it.
After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)

"Over the next couple of weeks when we find the chemical weapons this
guy was amassing, the fact that this war was attacked by the left and
so the right was so vindicated, I think, really means that the left is
going to have to hang its head for three or four more years."
(Fox News Channel's Dick Morris, 4/9/03)

"This has been a tough war for commentators on the American left. To
hope for defeat meant cheering for Saddam Hussein. To hope for victory
meant cheering for President Bush. The toppling of Mr. Hussein, or at
least a statue of him, has made their arguments even harder to defend.
Liberal writers for ideologically driven magazines like The Nation and
for less overtly political ones like The New Yorker did not predict a
defeat, but the terrible consequences many warned of have not happened.
Now liberal commentators must address the victory at hand and confront
an ascendant conservative juggernaut that asserts United States might
can set the world right."
(New York Times reporter David Carr, 4/16/03)

"Well, the hot story of the week is victory.... The Tommy Franks-Don
Rumsfeld battle plan, war plan, worked brilliantly, a three-week war
with mercifully few American deaths or Iraqi civilian deaths.... There
is a lot of work yet to do, but all the naysayers have been humiliated
so far.... The final word on this is, hooray."
(Fox News Channel's Morton Kondracke, 4/12/03)

"Shouldn't the prime minister and all of us who thought the
war was hasty and dangerous and wrongheaded admit that we were wrong? I
mean, with the pictures of those Iraqis dancing in the streets, hauling
down statues of Saddam Hussein and gushing their thanks to the
Americans, isn't it clear that President Bush and Britain's Tony Blair
were right all along? If we believe it's a good thing that Hussein's
regime has been dismantled, aren't we hypocritical not to acknowledge
Bush's superior judgment?... Why can't those of us who thought the war
was a bad idea (or, at any rate, a premature one) let it go now and
just join in celebrating the victory wrought by our magnificent
military forces?"
(Washington Post's William Raspberry, 4/14/03)

"Some journalists, in my judgment, just can't stand success, especially
a few liberal columnists and newspapers and a few Arab reporters."
(CNN's Lou Dobbs, 4/14/03)

"Sean Penn is at it again. The Hollywood star takes out a full-page ad
out in the New York Times bashing George Bush. Apparently he still
hasn't figured out we won the war."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 5/30/03)

"This will be no war -- there will be a fairly brief and ruthless
military intervention.... The president will give an order. attack] will be rapid, accurate and dazzling.... It will be greeted by
the majority of the Iraqi people as an emancipation. And I say, bring
it on."
(Christopher Hitchens, in a 1/28/03 debate-- cited in the Observer,
3/30/03)

"I will bet you the best dinner in the gaslight district of San Diego
that military action will not last more than a week. Are you willing to
take that wager?"
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 1/29/03)

"There's no way. There's absolutely no way. They may bomb for a matter
of weeks, try to soften them up as they did in Afghanistan. But once
the United States and Britain unleash, it's maybe hours. They're going
to fold like that."
(Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly, 2/10/03)

"He actually thought that he could stop us and win the
debate worldwide. But he didn't--he didn't bargain on a two- or three
week war. I actually thought it would be less than two weeks."
(NBC reporter Fred Francis, Chris Matthews Show, 4/13/03)

"Speaking to the U.N. Security Council last week, Secretary of State
Colin Powell made so strong a case that Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein
is in material breach of U.N. resolutions that only the duped, the dumb
and the desperate could ignore it."
(Cal Thomas, syndicated column, 2/12/03)

"Chris, more than anything else, real vindication for the
administration. One, credible evidence of weapons of mass destruction.
Two, you know what? There were a lot of terrorists here, really bad
guys. I saw them."
(MSNBC reporter Bob Arnot, 4/9/03)

"Even in the flush of triumph, doubts will be raised. Where are the
supplies of germs and poison gas and plans for nukes to justify
pre-emption? (Freed scientists will lead us to caches no inspectors
could find.) What about remaining danger from Baathist torturers and
war criminals forming pockets of resistance and plotting vengeance?
(Their death wish is our command.)"
(New York Times' William Safire, 4/10/03)

[Cocoa]

1. wonderful collection, and I'll add a Kathleen Parker column

"Liberation tastes like crow to anti-war crowd"

http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/kathleenparker/2003/04/12/161236.html

What was that whimpering sound? Oh that. It's just the "Yes, but" crowd formerly known as the "anti-war pundits." Ignore them.

<snip>

It's also hard to be humble when you're right, but guess who is both? Guess who first cautioned against glibness, hubris, immodesty and arrogance? Those mean men Dowd can never bring herself to address as adults: her Bushy, Rummy and Wolfie. The lead players in this epochal drama have spoken with the restraint and authority of grown-ups undistracted by childish antics, either from the pacifist nursery or from exuberant Iraqis tasting freedom, in some cases for the first time. "Let them rant" or "Let them loot," as the case may be, is an attitude of tolerance born of higher sights.

<snip>

Those who supported the war policy had no special sixth sense, no claim to revelation or prescience. Rather they possessed an unambiguous moral clarity. As journalist Christopher Hitchens put it during a television interview - and I paraphrase wildly from memory - "There's just no way that allowing Saddam to continue butchering innocents and potentially threatening the rest of the world can be viewed as a morally superior position."

No doubt the antis and naysayers, who seem to favor any old status quo to the frightening prospect of upheaval, will lurch again from whimpering near-death to unleash new protestations. Little matter. They have proven themselves irrelevant to today's reality, which includes a freed Iraqi people for whom the operative conjunctive phrase isn't "Yes, but" but "Yes, and."

[Nite Owl]

2. They sure were quick to

say that we were just soooo wrong but the silence is deafening from all the 'liberal' punditry about how right we have been about the war, the cost in lives and money.
What have we been wrong about anyway? Nothing. It doesn't give me joy or make me feel better to have been right, I sincerely wish that they were right and democracy was blooming all over the world, that everyone was peaceful and happy.

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[ProfessorGAC]

32. Already Been Debunked

And our own gov't released papers yesterday that clearly show that there was no Iraq/alQaeda connection. From our own gov't! The connection didn't exist. It never did! They knew it!
The Professor

[kymar57]

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Hey Y'all(mods included)
Am I the only one that can't monitor DU 24/7 and feel a little left out when a post gets deleted for content and then has several posts in response explaining what a stupid opinion the poster offered up.Personally I think the greater good is served by allowing these posts to stay up and be soundly refuted by others rather than leave a lot of folks wondering "wtf". Now I understand that certain inflammatory posts and posters should be tombstoned quickly(thanks to the Mods for your service to DU)but in the interest of continuity shouldn't some dissent be allowed for the purpose of discussion?
thanks
kymar57
P.S.Happy St Patty's day

:beer: :hangover: :beer: :hangover:

[DuaneBidoux]

89. There's just one problem.

If freepers were allowed to keep their posts then they would post even more and soon instead of a progressive forum the place would turn into a debating club (and I suspect a nasty one at that).

[blondeatlast]

36. Note the numerous disclaimers in the piece--ABC clearly is not standing by

the assertions. The following is one part of the piece you didn't post:

(Editor's Note: The controversial claim that Osama bin Laden was cooperating with Saddam Hussein is an ongoing matter of intense debate. While the assertions contained in this document clearly support the claim, the sourcing is questionable — i.e. an unnamed Afghan "informant" reporting on a conversation with another Afghan "consul." The date of the document — four days after 9/11 — is worth noting but without further corroboration, this document is of limited evidentiary value.)

Oh, yes--welcome to DU. No beer for posting a half-assed story, though.

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[Texifornia]

42. You must be joking me!

You come in here posting that bullshit from 2001?

Maybe we are being too hard on President Bush about Iraq. I mean, everything's going exactly the way he said it would.

Gee whiz! You're right! Somehow.....I feel like I must change my voter registration to Republican....W is always right, W is always right!

Thanks, Lowrey, now I see the light!

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[Texifornia]

46. Being an Invertibrate...

won't do it either.

As far as putting Country before party or re-establishing Democratic bona fides on National Security, I'm all over it.

Democrats will not win by being squishy Republican light. We must not be afraid to tell the truth. We must not be afraid of offending, as long as it is offending with the truth. American ambivalence towards the Democratic Party is more a function of a lack of forcefull advocacy of principles rather than those principles being too liberal.

As far as National Security bona fides: I would strongly recommend that General Clark be the Democratic nominee in 2008. He is unapologetic about his liberalism and knows more about National Security than all of the potential Rep. candidates combined.

[Bandit]

44. Get your head out of your ass

Absolutely nothing about our invasion of Iraq was good in any sense. They had nothing to do with 9-11, they had no dealings with Al Qaeda, they were in no way a threat to the USA as our quick march to Baghdad proved. It is completely against International Law to invade another country with first being attacked. This whole fiasco was written about in 1998 by the same people who launched it. PNAC, (Project for a New American Century) read about it and what their goal is. Then get back to us.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

52. Are you on crack?

Seriously, are you on crack??? :rofl:

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[Ganja Ninja]

53. "I just think we have gone to far in opposing the Iraq War."

Then don't complain when you get hit with the tax bill to pay for the war because it's coming. We've been flushing 2 billion a week down this rat hole and is not over yet. Since you think it's so important you shouldn't complain when you get handed the bill not just for the war but for the interest on the money your boy Bush has been borrowing to pay for it.

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[Vogon_Glory]

58. There Is No Reason Whatsoever For Defending This Disaster

There is no reason whatsoever for defending the rationale for the Iraq invasion nor is there any reason whatsoever for Democrats of any political stripe to defend either the Administration that plunged into Iraq or the right-wing pundits who cheered him on. Progressives who made the mistake of trying to practice bipartisanship with the crew currently holding the Republic by the throat have been stabbed in the back by dishonest, dishonorable, hard-line ideologues hell-bent on grabbing power and more than willing to brand any opposition as unpatriotic, anti-American, treasonous, and un-Godly (As many Democratic patriots found to their sorrow in the 2002 and 2004 elections).


Despite bogus right-wing claims, there were no accurate, demonstrable links between Osama bin Laden, a religious fanatic, and Saddam Hussein, a secular, bloodthirsty, and brutal tyrant. The purported links that have been proffered up to the rubes and suckers (That's you and me, friend, American citizen-voters) were concocted by a clique surrounding vice president Cheney and passed off as the gospel truth.

Patriotic Americans like Bruce Ritter had--BEFORE THE WAR STARTED--gone into Iraq, searched for WMDs and didn't find any. Had Buckaroo Bush backed up new inspection efforts with American military muscle, the disastrous invasion of Iraq invasion could have been avoided and Dubya could have been a hero as he turned American military might to pursuing and destroying Talibans in Afghanistan, instead of botching the job there.

The guys inside Iraq who were pushing for this war were guys like Ahmad Chalabi, who has ties to the America-hating mullahs of Islamic Iran.

Judging political leaders by the results of their actions is an old, honored American political tradition that the current resident at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue quite understandably would like us to forget about. Truman left the White House because of Korea, Johnson left the White House because of Vietnam. You may want to get with the program. I voted against Boy George (George HW Bush I could at least respect) because he had clearly botched the Iraq invasion and the aftermath.

The right-wing punditry is long, long overdue for a comeuppance. Their cheer-leading for the utter folly of the Iraq invasion and their mockery of the honesty, honor, patriotism, and morals of those of us who opposed it was loathsome and contemptible. Their self-appointed position as arbiters of truth and patriotism have clearly been undermined by subsequent events; as far as I'm concerned, not only is it open season on right-wing pundits' conceits, it's time to rub salt in the wounds, too.

The problem with many Democrats who fondly remember an era of civility and decency is that they've failed to notice that that era is dead. It was done in by a crew of right-wing ideologues who, even in the not-so-long-ago past had already turned to vilification, lies, and character assassination as standard operating procedure.

It is time to take the gloves off when dealing with these people and time to hoist the black flag. I am not saying this as a flaming liberal. I am one of the more conservative DU posters and I still wonder why I haven't been booted off the boards yet, but even moderates shouldn't have to be force-fed offal from the right-wing propaganda machine serving the incumbent presidential clique.

[PurpleChez]

79. Amen!!!!!!! We're where we are now in part because too many liberals have

too often tried to take the 'high road' and haven't really fought back against RW asshattery. Even as a youngster (oh, so long ago...) I hated that we sat by silently while the RW made 'liberal' into a pejorative term. The gloves have to come off. We have to fight fire with fire. Do we have to fight dirty? I'd rather not. But we must do more to fight back.

[chelsea0011]

45. At this point there is nothing that can come out that has any validity.

They said al Queda and Iraq were in touch with each other. But there never has been any proof released up to now. They said there are WMD's and they know where the WMD's are. But there weren't any and they didn't know where any were. These were the "facts" they gave us to go to war. There weren't any facts and anything that comes out now is either suspect or they don't matter because they lied about them all in the first place. Do you think it matters that someone stumbles upon a 55 gallen container of biological agents? They had us believe that they ewere available to use at any moment. They lied. They killed thousands. They must pay.

[0007]

67. And we wonder why the world hates us, 'eh?

[BillZBubb]

3. Thanks for posting this.

I wonder if any of those imbeciles complaining about the liberals not admitting they were "wrong", have stepped up and admitted just how totally wrong they were?

[Cocoa]

5. Joe Scarborough should show the content of his character

and ask Cheney, Wolfowitz, et al, to do what he asked of us.

Notice how well what he is saying applies to the hawks:

"Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle,
Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward
tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting
what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant,
they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these
self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it.
After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)

[Momgonepostal]

50. Jimmy Carter is an elitist?

He's probably the LEAST elist president we've have in years. Kucinich, too, geez.

[Carla in Ca]

86. Wolfowitz helped sell this 'war'

and is just as culpable as the rest of the cabal. But instead, he gets to be president of The World Bank. They have no shame.


WASHINGTON -- No oil for blood. The bumper sticker popular among left-leaning opponents of the conflict — no war for oil — has been turned on its head. There is no oil to be had for the shedding of American blood. Not for years anyway.

Remember the bold promises?

“Iraq has oil,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told Fortune magazine in 2002, discussing the potential cost of an Iraq invasion and how it would be met. “They have financial resources.”

Paul Wolfowitz, formerly Rumsfeld’s deputy, was bolder: “The oil revenues of that country could bring in between $50 (billion) and $100 billion over the course of the next two or three years,” he told Congress as the war began. “We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction.” For his economic acumen, Wolfowitz was rewarded with the presidency of the World Bank.


Iraq exported 1.6 million barrels per day in July, according to the oil ministry, at least 500,000 barrels a day less than in the waning months of Saddam Hussein’s regime. Hours-long lines at gas stations are a constant of daily life, and the country must import gasoline.

How did an administration overflowing with oilmen get it all so wrong?

The story line is tiresome. It parallels the warnings about weapons of mass destruction. It tracks with the delusional prediction about being greeted as liberators, and the fantasy about how only a few “dead-enders” continued to fight after our troops took Baghdad.

The president’s men saw what they wished to see — the 115 billion barrels of oil reserves beneath the desert. They were blind to what was really there: An oil industry decimated by more than a decade of economic sanctions, with technological decay and even geological deterioration of the fields already gnawing at it.

The rash predictions about Iraqi oil paying for the American conquest of Iraq were always suspicious, part of the marketing campaign that sold the war. “The statement in and of itself always struck me as part of the spin that this was going to be a clean, simple, fairly cost-free operation,” a veteran adviser to Western officials in Baghdad told me in an interview.

Edit to add link: <http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=14&ID=236508&r=1>

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. If the situation weren't so damn tragic, those quotes would be hilarious.

They should be printed on sandpaper, folded five ways, and stuffed up those idiots' respective sphincters.

[Katherine Brengle]

6. Agreed, it's a shame really...

not to be able to just laugh it off...

[raccoon]

26. Ocelot, I like the way you think. nt

[fed-up]

7. Here's the link to the source of the quotes-FAIR

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2842

[Katherine Brengle]

10. Thx--I didn't know that, I just got them in an email earlier...

[bemildred]

8. A good sample of the state propaganda organs in action.

Once you figure out that they don't intend to keep you informed, everything makes more sense.

[Zenlitened]

9. K & R. Especially love the Scarborough quote.

"Maybe disgraced commentators and politicians alike, like Daschle,
Jimmy Carter, Dennis Kucinich, and all those others, will step forward
tonight and show the content of their character by simply admitting
what we know already: that their wartime predictions were arrogant,
they were misguided and they were dead wrong. Maybe, just maybe, these
self-anointed critics will learn from their mistakes. But I doubt it.
After all, we don't call them 'elitists' for nothing."
(MSNBC's Joe Scarborough, 4/10/03)

Memo to neo-cons and their apologists/boot-lickers: You need to shut the fuck up... forever.

The whole concept has been utterly and thoroughly discredited. The FACTS show that not one of them had any connection with reality as they babbled their nonsense.

Liberals were right, neo-cons were wrong.

That's a FACT.

They need to shut the fuck up FOREVER.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[progressoid]

11. And they all continue to spew their vomit to the people

[fearnobush]

12. Excellant: It's always good to keep history around so as not to repeate it

No matter, these fuckers will use these same quotes for Iran.

[Hissyspit]

13. We should email each quote back to the person who said it.

Throw it back in their faces.

[Libby2]

25. I was going to suggest the same thing

until I saw your post.

I am going to do it.
The whole list to everyone on the list.

[Carla in Ca]

87. I'd like to see our candidates use them as well

n/t

[Hissyspit]

91. Good job. Remind Chris Matthews that he told me I WAS A NEO-CON.

The arrogance of that. What an asshole.

[undeterred]

14. Well we could have left after taking Saddam Hussein out of power

That would have only taken a short time, and then the pundits would have been right and something would have been accomplished. A week or two of military action sounds a lot better than three years.

There are no goals there now except an everlasting occupation, and that was not part of the package that was sold to us.

[BillZBubb]

17. Even a quick exit would have been an utter failure.

A civil war would have immediately broken out and there would have been total destruction of Iraqi society. Those of us who understood Iraq knew that.

Once the imbecile invaded, calamity was inevitable. Sure we could defeat the Iraqi army in a matter of days. That was never the problem. The problem was the mess it would create. The rightard blowhards ignored this main point and yahooed about beating a third world army.

[Imagevision]

54. Lets not forget; "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED"...!

[proud patriot]

15. In Your Face Right Wing Blowhards

I will not go silent into this foul night .

We on the Left were correct about the illegal
invasion of a sovereign nation being disgraceful.

The war in Iraq is owned by All republicans &
the Corporate Media whores who sold America
a Pack of lies .

The Blood of American Soldiers will never
wash off Republicans hands .

The Blood of Iraqi children will never wash
off Republicans hands .

We Liberals Warned We Marched We Hollered
We Wrote books and Letters to the editor .

We were ridiculed as "America haters" by buffoons
parroting what their talking head master oxycontin-rush
said .

We were Correct and Freeper scum Know it .

Republicans are WEAK on National Security because
of short sided thoughtless conceded greedy motives .

I tried with all my might along with millions of others
to stave off the mistake of Invading Iraq .

I'm truly sorry that it wasn't enough.

I am Proud Patriot I love America
I love the People I love the Land
This is My Home I will protect it .

[Marnieworld]

28. Damn straight!

:applause: :woohoo: :patriot:

[ExclamationPoint]

94. Interesting....

Rebellion in a poetic form. Makes me think of Ginsberg, but don't ask me to explain why.

P.S. I actually had to stop reading the quotes because they were making me so angry. The whole theatricality of what they say just infuriates me.

[nonconformist]

16. The cognitive dissonance is mind boggling.

K & R! Nice compilation.

[mzmolly]

73. How any one can maintain that we have a liberal media is beyond me.

:puke:

[Skinner]

18. Thanks for posting this.

:thumbsup:

[donheld]

19. Amazing. Is there enough crow to go around?

Not that any of these fools would admit to being wrong.

[Mad_Dem_X]

27. Yes, when are THEY going to apologize

to US? Hmmmm...

[Usrename]

61. That definitely could creat a serious shortage of crow!

Is there a crow futures market, just on the off-chance that they decide to come clean? They'll be lined up waiting for portions. :banghead:

[ladym55]

93. When will they apologize??

How about the day after pigs fly?? Hell freezes over??

The one thing I have learned about the right wing and their pundits--

don't cloud their opinions with little things like FACTS or EVIDENCE or LOGIC ....

:dem:

[kevinbgoode]

20. One wonders how ANY of these "pundits"

could possibly be working now. . .their utter hypocrisy is so evident here that, frankly, they should be the ones labeled "traitors."

[singe]

21. re mem mem re memba memba

It is productive to review the comments of these sick sycophants every so often. These things should be written on the subway walls in tenament halls as the elections approach. Keep this history alive and vibrant and to shove it in the MSM faces over and over again so that maybe someday, maybe some way they will find their way back to what they are supposed to do....report the facts.


They say ev'rything can be replaced,
Yet ev'ry distance is not near.
So I remember ev'ry face
Of ev'ry man who put me here.
I see my light come shining
From the west unto the east.
Any day now, any day now,
I shall be released.

[stepnw1f]

23. Well Said and Welcome to DU!

I've already started the presses for that very thing.

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

22. How about

we send these dandys to Keith Olberman and have him read them on the air? If nothing else when the "falafel master" Bill O'LIEly hears Keith read them it might cause him to explode!

[Catchawave]

34. Already did !

:hi:

[Roland99]

24. Let's not forget these choice tidbits >>>>>>>>>>>>>

Vice President Richard Cheney

"He's had years to get good at it and we know he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons. And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Source: Meet the Press, NBC (3/16/2003).



Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

"We said they had a nuclear program. That was never any debate."

Source: This Week with George Stephanopoulos, ABC (7/13/2003).



National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice

"We do know that there have been shipments going . . . into Iraq . . . of aluminum tubes that really are only suited to -- high-quality aluminum tools that are only really suited for nuclear weapons programs, centrifuge programs."

Source: Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer, CNN (9/8/2002).



President George W. Bush

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Source: President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003).



Vice President Richard Cheney

"We know he's got chemicals and biological . . ."

Source: Meet the Press, NBC (5/19/2002).



President George W. Bush

"He said he wouldn't have chemical weapons, he's got them."

Source: Remarks by the President at Missouri Welcome, White House (11/4/2002).



Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld

"The area in the south and the west and the north that coalition forces control is, is substantial. It happens not to be the area where weapons of mass destruction were dispersed. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south, and north somewhat. Second, the kernel facilities, there are dozens of them, it is a large geographic area . . . I would also add that we saw from the air there were dozens of trucks that went into that facility after the existence of it became public in the press, and they moved things out. They dispersed them and took them away. So there may be nothing left. I don't know that. But it's way too soon to know. The exploration is just starting."

Source: This Week with George Stephanopolous, ABC (3/30/2003).



President George W. Bush

"We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We are concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVs for missions targeting the United States."
Source: President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002).



President George W. Bush

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

Source: Interview of the President by TVP, Poland, White House (5/29/2003).



President George W. Bush

"On its present course, the Iraqi regime is a threat of unique urgency. . . . it has developed weapons of mass death."

Source: President, House Leadership Agree on Iraq Resolution, White House (10/2/2002).



Vice President Richard Cheney

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Source: Vice President Speaks at VFW 103rd National Convention, White House (8/26/2002).

[savemefromdumbya]

35. Lets post those quotes on billboards throughout the USA (next to McDonalds

and a picture of 2000+ military coffins

[Rocknrule]

30. Let me add one that pretty much sums it all up

"They are not anti-Bush or anti-war protests. They are anti-American protests."

Tom Tancredo

[Swamp Rat]

31. Wow! The irony... the hubris!

:wow:

[Beelzebud]

33. Disgusting. That is what passes for a free press...

I wish there was someone in TV Land who would play all the clips from these quotes.

These assholes were so quick to say we were all wrong. I wonder if they ignore reality on a constant basis?

[LSK]

37. awesome post!!! anyone remember when FOX reported Iraq using WMD?

[sutz12]

38. What really bugs me is that.....

I cannot remember a critic that said the military part of the Iraq invasion would be difficult.

Everybody said the first part, the military part would be easy! Everybody knew the invasion would be a cake walk. Everybody!

It is such bullshit. :puke: Nobody cared about the invasion, it was always the post invasion scenario that concerned people. Every bad thing that was predicted and projected has come true. Everything!

As Kenny O said last night: The 1,049th day since the Pres declared Mission Accomplished.

[bloom]

40. What jumps out at me is...

"We're all neo-cons now." (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)


Does he even talk about neo-cons and what they represent? And yet "We're all neo-cons now."... how bizarre.

[chat_noir]

41. K&R

Thanks for compiling these quotes.

:yourock:

[chelsea0011]

47. And one can see why the right is so hard to hang on to the lies.

They were all wrong and can't except it.

[NewJeffCT]

48. wow, great find

Thanks for posting.

[KyuzoGator]

49. O'Reilly promised to apologize to America if WMD weren't found.

Still waiting.

[Momgonepostal]

51. tick tock, tick tock!

I wish I'd taken him up on that dinner bet, too!

[bullwinkle428]

62. I thought Good Morning America tried to confront him on this

about a year ago, and he made some utterly half-hearted apology and then tried to go back on it. FOUND IT!!

"Viewers of ABC's Good Morning America saw something very unusual earlier this month: Fox News Channel's star host Bill O'Reilly admitted he was wrong about something. Sort of.

Right before U.S. forces invaded Iraq, O'Reilly made a bold promise on ABC about Iraq's WMDs: "If the Americans go in and overthrow Saddam Hussein and it's clean, he has nothing, I will apologize to the nation, and I will not trust the Bush Administration again, all right?"

Last week, thanks to persistent needling from ABC host Charlie Gibson, O'Reilly mustered a half-hearted apology: "Well, my analysis was wrong and I'm sorry.. I was wrong. I'm not pleased about it at all." As to the promise to "never trust the Bush administration again," he was considerably less forceful: "I am much more skeptical of the Bush administration now than I was at that time," he explained, before blaming CIA chief George Tenet for Bush's troubles.

But the day after his climbdown, O'Reilly was back on more familiar turf, telling his Fox audience that the controversy was cooked up by the "left-wing press" who "used my words to hammer the president." The liberal media, he reminded his audience, "has made dozens of mistakes itself and continues to deny that the world is a better place because Saddam is gone." This from a guy who promises his show is a "no spin zone."

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/clock.htm

I guess someone didn't have "The Luck of the Irish" working for them that day! HOLIDAY HUMOR!

[Sparkman]

74. Even the Bio weapons the U.S. sold to Saddam in the 1980's gone by 2003.

[understandinglife]

57. Bookmarked. Thank you.

Be The Bu$h Opposition - 24/7

[VOX]

59. Oh, that awful **liberal media**!

Great work, KB -- thank you for posting these keepers!

Well done -- :toast:

[Lasher]

60. WMD: Before and After by Jim Caddell - June 10, 2003

Thanks for this walk down memory lane. Here is an excellent DU article that I have saved, to share at times just like this. No chickenhawk meal of crow would be complete without it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/06/10_wmd.html

[Yavin4]

63. This Should Be In A Documentary

Someone should make a documentary with everyone of these assinine quotes.

[Maestro]

64. The Snow and Scarborough quotes just stand out

I hope someone took Bill O'Leilly's dumbass wager as well.

[moondust]

65. Belongs in the history books.

Thanks for posting.

[mdmc]

66. thank you for posting this

:kick:

[walldude]

68. These are incredible...

my favorite from the person who supposedly brings "balance" to Faux News:
"Now that the war in Iraq is all but over, should the people in
Hollywood who opposed the president admit they were wrong?"
(Fox News Channel's Alan Colmes, 4/25/03)

I agree with some of the other posters here, these should be hammered down the throats of the people who said them, every time they make an analaysis or comment on current events they should be made to admit that they haven't got anything right about the war yet.

[cungar]

70. Send this to Chris Matthews ([email protected])

Dear Chris,

How the wind blows.


We're proud of our president. Americans love having a guy as president,
a guy who has a little swagger, who's physical, who's not a complicated
guy like Clinton or even like Dukakis or Mondale, all those guys,
McGovern. They want a guy who's president. Women like a guy who's
president. Check it out. The women like this war. I think we like
having a hero as our president. It's simple. We're not like the Brits."

(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 5/1/03)


"Why don't the damn Democrats give the president his day? He won today.
He did well today."

(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)


"What's he going to talk about a year from now, the fact that the war
went too well and it's over? I mean, don't these things sort of lose
their--Isn't there a fresh date on some of these debate points?"

(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, speaking about Howard Dean--4/9/03)


"We're all neo-cons now."

(MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)


How you love to remind people of what they said or did in the past.
How about you, Opportunist?

Signed,

[Mrspeeker]

69. I emailed every reporter and News Co. on the list

With a secret message..hehe

its read something like this F@#$ You!


Down with the telecommunication act and the liberal media thats owned by 3 Neo cons!

Down with big brother!

[Jara sang]

71. I emailed Chris Matthews and Scarborough.

[mzmolly]

72. Wow.

And they've learned nothing.

[Old and In the Way]

75. What has $300BB and 30,000 dead/maimed soldiers bought us?

"Life was much better under Saddam," one man said from the back of the bus.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/17/iraq.anniversary/index.html

A disaster foisted on us by an incompetent, greedy political party and their bought-and-paid-for talking heads.

Thanks for posting. Just about everyone on DU understood that taking out Saddam and his 3rd rate military would be easy. But the consequences would be tragic. Gee, we were right again.

[RedEarth]

76. Outstanding... thanks for posting

[PurpleChez]

77. "We're all neo-cons now." What the fuck???

Damn that's some scary shit. I had to stop reading after a while coz it made my head hurt.

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

78. jeff greenfield just used some of these quotes on cnn

during wolf's "situation room."

[tjwash]

80. Don't forget the greatest Joe Lieberman quote ever...

"Howard Dean has climbed into his own spider hole of denial if he believes that the capture of Saddam Hussein has not made America safer."

[LSK]

81. I wish I could nominate this more than once

[Wetzelbill]

82. Remember the "one of the greatest military campaigns of all-time" stuff?

All the Sunday shows, everybody from Left to Right were practically falling all over themselves about how quickly we won this thing. It was amazing. I remember on some Sunday News show Wes Clark was on with a few other military analysts. I can't remember who was asking the questions... it may have been MTP so Tim Russert, but he was laying out softball after softball. "Is this one of the greatest military campaigns of all-time...." Stuff like that. Total administration kiss ass. I recall Clark agreed that it was a great campaign, but as asserting that we need to finish the job and do a lot of other things, possibly beware of civil war etc. By that time, most of the media was moving on to Iran and Syria, talking about how Dems were wrong and Bush was Abe Lincoln in a flight suit, people were acting like the guy just conquered Rome and made the whole world a democracy where clouds of cotton candy floated by and it hailed bits of chocolate or some fucking shit. It was ridiculous. Guys like Clark, Zbigniew Brzezinkski, and Brent Scowcroft have been right from day one to question certain aspects of this thing, I remember in Bob Woodward's book "Kissing Bush's Ass" I mean the one about the Iraq war, he mentioned a dinner with Wolfie, Cheney, Kenneth Adelman and a few other Neo-Cons. They all dressed down Scowcroft for being an alarmist etc. Turns out he was dead on the whole time.

The bottom line is, the United States has a great military. We spent a huge amount of money to have it too. Iraq was a tin pot dictatorship, torn up by wars and weakened by sanctions. All sorts of factors made the country weak, especially on paper. Now we find out from that new book that just came out - it's slipping my mind- that the Pentagon skipped over fighting insurgents just to get to Baghdad. They didn't secure anything, the administration just wanted to hit the heart and make a show of everything. You can't halfass a war and you can't shortchange our troops. It was a bad idea in the first place, nearly impossible, the administration and the Vulcan establishment all had a fundamental misunderstanding about warfare, the Middle East and Iraq in general, and you cannot win a war and build a proxy state with all that going against you. It was a stupid idea, poorly executed at best. That isn't effing good enough. Not for our troops, our country, the people of Iraq or anybody. It was probably the worst decision an American president has ever made.

[Roon]

83. "We're all neo-cons now." (MSNBC's Chris Matthews, 4/9/03)

:puke:

[leesfirstalso]

85. THE B.S. GOES ON TODAY

PULLING THE CHAIN!


For those that never heard the term, “pull the chain” General Bernard Trainor finds “Operation Swarmer” modest and “flushes” expectations that it will have much effect as he questions the results and its success as being negligible.

The media has given extremely broad coverage “showcasing the Iraq military” as leading the way, but also admitting there was little or no resistance, and many detainees were let go. Sounds easy, so easy, that what do you want to bet the “bad guys” got out of town!

“Catapulting The Propaganda” about “Operation Swarmer” and the news coverage it received, comes under the heading of “showcasing Bush efforts” to try and get his ratings out of the toilet!

[Clara T]

88. K&R

[laura888]

90. Hold the media accountable

Their responsibility is awesome. Don't let them get away with what they said.

[robbedvoter]

92. Ich bin eine neo-con" - Mathews sez it all. Missing: the hyperbolic

comparisons of W with Napoleon, Alexander and Caesar - I remember some priceless whoppers from Rummy. Buy, hell yeah, a collection whose time has come.

[NNadir]

95. Thank you for this list. We all know that this is the tip of the iceberg.

I have always wished I could produce such a list.

Thanks for putting it all together in one place.

[mdmc]

96. i love this thread