Scotty Press Brief says Bush didn't order Strikes in Iraq, Generals Did!

[KoKo]

Isn't this something new in Presidential Authority? President allows Generals to plan and impliment strikes without him authorizing them?

More of lack of judgement by "Hands Off" P-Resident...who never is involved in any decision but delegates everything to underlings. But allowing Generals to do their OWN MILITARY STRIKES without oversight?

David Gregory kept asking and Scott kept saying President didn't order the strikes it was "Commanders on the Ground."

Is this LEGAL?

[goclark]

1. Silly You ~ if Bush did it ~ it's legal :(

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

2. I guess they don't call him the Vacationing Chimp for nothing. n/t

[katty]

30. bubble boy just said yesterday"gotta tight team"

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

33. The eloquence just overwhelms me. n/t

[LiberalEsto]

3. Does Scotty mean we have a military coup taking place?

I am absolutely mystified by this.

[napi21]

4. Doesn't matter! He's still the Commander in Chief!

Good or bad, the Commander is responsible to all military actions!

Someone should explain that to Scotty!

[wtmusic]

5. He has the authority to do whatever he wants

but is required to accept responsibility for none of it.

[babylonsister]

6. "The Buck Stops Here" does not compute with the chimp.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/buckstop.htm

snip//
The saying "the buck stops here" derives from the slang expression "pass the buck" which means passing the responsibility on to someone else. The latter expression is said to have originated with the game of poker, in which a marker or counter, frequently in frontier days a knife with a buckhorn handle, was used to indicate the person whose turn it was to deal. If the player did not wish to deal he could pass the responsibility by passing the "buck," as the counter came to be called, to the next player.*

On more than one occasion President Truman referred to the desk sign in public statements. For example, in an address at the National War College on December 19, 1952 Mr. Truman said, "You know, it's easy for the Monday morning quarterback to say what the coach should have done, after the game is over. But when the decision is up before you -- and on my desk I have a motto which says The Buck Stops Here' -- the decision has to be made." In his farewell address to the American people given in January 1953, President Truman referred to this concept very specifically in asserting that, "The President--whoever he is--has to decide. He can't pass the buck to anybody. No one else can do the deciding for him. That's his job.

snip//

[Supersedeas]

34. it was the Generals, it was the CIA, it was Brownie, it was-it was Clinton

[madfloridian]

7. On MSNBC Jim Mik..? said Pentagon "scrambling" for information.

I heard him say that the Pentagon was "scrambling" to come up with information on this.

I thought...uh oh how strange. Sorry don't know how to spell his name wasn't paying attention to the spelling..he is the Pentagon spokesman for MSNBC

[KoKo]

13. He's involved with one of the Think Tanks.....and seemed lately to

have turned on Bush....so that's really interesting that he said that...

If Bush is claiming he didn't know...shouldn't Rummy have known. SHEESH...it gets worse...

[Neil Lisst]

14. Jim Micklqwertyuiopshevshki

been watching him years, and couldn't spell his name if my life depended on it!!

[Neil Lisst]

16. self delete

[LiberalEsto]

21. Mik -la-sheff-skee

My daughter went to high school with his son.

[Neil Lisst]

29. I can say it! I can't spell it!!

Of course, I've never studied his name, either.

He's one of the few remaining "real" reporters on TV news.

[LiberalEsto]

31. It's Miklaszewski

:)

[Bob3]

8. Yes it is. * put them in charge. As C in C he is allowed to this.

but it's bullshit - a major operation of this size would never go forward without the president or at least Dick Cheney signing off on it. so they are lying. They are trying to give dim son a cut out when things get ugly, like they did the ports "I didn't know about that".

[BushOut06]

9. Actually yes - and it's usually better that way

I say usually - because the last thing you normally want is a President micro-managing a war. Battlefield decisions are usually left up to the commanders.

We've already seen what direct presidential involvement has done with this war - rejecting commanders' calls for more troops, underestimating the insurgency, etc.

[KoKo]

18. I thought Bushies excuse, though, was that Bremer screwed it all up....

:shrug: Just like Brownie screwed up Katrina operations...and all the other messes that he says he didn't know about.

Still...it would seem that the "biggest air strikes since the Invasion" would need to have input from the President. What about Renegade Military?
:scared:

[kentuck]

10. Wha...??

Did Bush even know about it? What if the "Generals" decide to strike Iran? Can they do that without approval? This sounds bad to me. The military must be under civilian control, even during war. They should never, never be permittted to make unilateral decisions such as these in a premeditated way.

[madokie]

22. Another crime by the crime family, when will it ever end?

[KoKo]

24. I know...it's frightening. At least CNN/MSNBC did try to bring it up and

even asked if this was coordinated with Bush's falling poll numbers on Iraq and the release today of his NSA's confirmation that Bush has sumpreme authority to use "Pre-Emptive Strike."

Helen Thomas worked Scotty over on his "Pre-Emptive Strike" pretty hard. Scotty was at his worst robot speak but seemed a little shaken. He was snapping at Helen and David Gregory.

[Kber]

11. OK - so they identified a need and made the plans, Gotcha.

but doesn't the president have to approve them?

What's all this BS about Bush focusing like a laser on Iraq then?

[spindrifter]

12. Maybe the generals will decide to do a few other things...

is it a military junta?

[Whoa_Nelly]

15. Fucking Asswipe Neocons! NO ONE is at the helm

This administration is so out of control that NO ONE is leading! Global impact decisions are unilaterally being made by different people in different places and NO ONE can be held accountable. And if things don't go well, turn out very badly, then the blame can go to A FEW BAD APPLES!

:wtf: :nuke: :wtf:

[dweller]

17. in other words, Halliburton.

and it wouldn't be *moron ordering, but the real pResident, that dick cheney fella in charge.

dp

[madokie]

19. The reason is so when the gig is up * can say he didn't ok that

I would think that something of this magnitude would need to be ok'ed by the prez, but not this one. I say it is illegal

[Neil Lisst]

20. it's the Ken Lay defense - My Underlings Made Me Do It!!

it's the Ken Lay defense - My Underlings Made Me Do It!!

[izzie]

23. So Bush does not have hands on? I think this is a LBJ thing

So when they wright the books we find out what really went on? I really think we have done enough to Iraq. I am sure they will recall who we are and maybe give us a little better rate than Saddam. God but I do pity those poor people and this endless killing.

[Ian David]

25. Blaming the troops? How Republican of them!

Scotty Press Brief says Bush didn't order Strikes in Iraq, Generals Did!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=676837&mesg_id=676837



See related thread:


Largest Iraq Air Assault Since '03 Begins
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2170752&mesg_id=2170752

[mom cat]

26. Law of the pasture: . . . . If it smells like bullshit, it is!

[spotbird]

27. The press conference was up at

Whitehouse.gov but now it isn't.

I was watching it and the feed stopped, when I went back it wasn't available.

[KoKo]

28. If you ever find it please post. DU'ers need to Read it...to see what

Scott said and the interaction with David Gregory and Helen Thomas.

[KansDem]

32. Does this mean we're on "auto-war?"

:shrug:

[Disturbed]

35. The Sock Puppet's Impeachment Defense.

Uh... " I didn't know nothin'because I was out ridin' my bike."

[Ino]

36. * didn't know till he heard it on the news, huh

The same old story. Who's running the asylum?!

[SoCalDem]

37. the crazy naked guy whe eats flies and talks to himself

:)