Feingold/Censure Thread 3

[Hissyspit]

[Coexist]

1. "the President thinks he is above the law"

[VP505]

13. I so

need to hear this being said on the Senate floor. Go Russ!!!!!

[rodeodance]

34. too bad he said the President thinks.

[rodeodance]

39. stinks would be more like it.

[Coexist]

2. "Mr. President, that is ridiculous"

"we did not authorize him to wiretap American citizens on American soil."

[jane_pippin]

3. Calls Bush's reasoning ridiculous. Go Russ go!

Says anyone who says congress authorized this is wrong or not telling the truth.

I'm so proud to be from Wisconsin right now.

[berner59]

17. He just proved it...

Said that congress passed changes to FISA to give the Pres more power and why would they do that if they knew he had the power anyway?????

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!

[dubyaD40web]

4. "we did not authorize him to wiretap Americans on American

soil.....without going through the law"

[Coexist]

5. Why revise the Patriot Act if it thought they gave the Pres that power

[Coexist]

12. "the President of the US is acting in direct violation of a Federal Statut

thank you for spelling it out so simply

[calmblueocean]

6. How can anyone argue with this?

His speech is so clear and undeniable, where's the argument? None of the facts are in dispute. How can anyone at all disagree with this and still pretend to be honest?

[leftchick]

200. specter disagrees with it

another lap dog

[suffragette]

7. He is laying out the case so well and so thoroughly

[dogday]

8. Russ is not Partisan, he is blaming both Parties

we need 500 more of him.....

[EFerrari]

He is defending the law. What a wacko!

:rofl:

[Beelzebud]

Isn't it a thing of beauty? :)

[dogday]

57. Presidents must earn our trust and tell the truth

amen Russ amen

[Beelzebud]

WOW He just did it! NOT holding to our own laws lets the terrorists win!

YES.. Like a stake through the heart of the GOP vampire.

[Drum]

121. lol...so true!

[WinkyDink]

9. "Bogus" argument!

Russ is even scoffing!

[Hissyspit]

10. Extend FISA from 24 to 72 hours in 2001

Whey would we do that if he's just gonna ignore FISA

[Catchawave]

11. Kick

I don't think the folks in Thread 2 know there's a 3 yet !

[MuseRider]

28. We left them behind?

LOL, poor things.

[JohnnyCougar]

14. Go Russ!

RUSS

Standing up for US!!!!

[JohnnyCougar]

16. Bush's arguments "flimsy"

[Coexist]

15. raising his voice "recognizes NO inherent authority"

"no court has upheld (this)."
"his claims are baseless".

[pinto]

18. I really like Feingold's ability to make a clear argument.

[WinkyDink]

25. The scary thing is: Bush might not even be able to FOLLOW it!

[EFerrari]

40. Specter has been drafted to try.

And he may drone us to death.

The real test will be in the clips the Ho Media plays.

[buzzard]

48. He undoubtedly won't be able to follow this nor will he care.n/t

[EFerrari]

The Front Man is autistic. He's incapable of caring about much.

But, the GOP leadership will be worth watching.

[EFerrari]

31. Me, too. This is exactly what was needed. n/t

[dubyaD40web]

19. "no inherient power of the prez." SLAM

[Coexist]

20. CHECK IT OUT: Reid on Ed Schultz now!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x648124#649244

SEn. Reid on now ~ talking about Repubs Parliamentary Procedure to
stop Feingold.

Reid says that this is a good thing, and it will probably be referred to a Committee for further debate. He says that Cheney and Bush are trying to stop debate ~ and he says this motion of Feingold's will open the door to more debate ~

Reid just called Frist a 'lapdog for the President' ~

Reid nearly said a bad word after listening to a clip of Trent Lott lying about how the American people are 'solidly behind the president on the war on terror'. He had to stop himself ~

This is one of Ed's best shows so far ~ he's had great guests, great callers, and he's really doing a good job of supporting Feingold and telling the truth ~ 'Feingold grabbing the bull by the horns and doing something about this president'.

Reid: Feingold is a brilliant man, and he's doing the country a great service by introducting this motion, he's a Rhodes scholar etc. etc.'

Reid: 'This administration is impotentent, it's dangerously imcompetent'

[The Witch]

awesome

if only i had two sets of ears

[Coexist]

35. he podcasts all his good interviews, check his site later

biged.com or something.

[gkhouston]

another decade of the Clean Water act and you probably will.

;-) what, don't you appreciate the way * is protecting our environment?

[Coexist]

42. From the same thread - Harkin SIGNING ON!!!

[uppityperson]

21. SOTU lies

[realFedUp]

22. But Presidents don’t serve our country by just asking for trust,

... they must earn that trust, and they must tell the truth.

[calmblueocean]

23. The real question is how much of this will people get to see on the news

Probably about 5 seconds.

[BuyingThyme]

24. Republican Warner speaks for UAE; Democrat Feingold speaks for America.

Two weeks; two big speakers.

I like it.

[The Witch]

38. Good slogan for a political AD.

"Warner spoke up for the UAE. Feingold spoke up for your rights. Who do you trust?"

[BuyingThyme]

56. Pretty simple.

:hi:

[WestHoustonDem]

26. Today, I'm proud to be Democrat n/t

[jane_pippin]

27. Oooh, using Attorney Gen. questioning now...Russ you are one smart cookie!

Bring that bullshit up and throw it right back at 'em!

[Beelzebud]

29. NONE of the cable news channels are covering it. NONE...

[Hissyspit]

44. Not even the Situation Room???? But... but...

they're supposed to be on top of EVERYTHING! /sarcasm

[DemonFighterLives]

205. I think it's Inflation Room!

:puffpiece:

[MazeRat7]

46. If this was about a bj or missing blond they would all be there in force.

*asshats

[calmblueocean]

51. Is that true? Un-effing-believable!!

This country's media are nothing but quislings.

[AndyTiedye]

Of Course The Media Is Ignoring This. What Do You Expect?

[Catchawave]

30. How could the other Dems NOT rally behind him ?!

They've been awfully quiet :shrug:

Edit for clarity

[Whoa_Nelly]

32. Who's the guy to the upper left of Feingold on C-SPAN2 screen?

A few minutes ago, looked like he was flipping the bird (could have been unintentional), then acts bored, yawning...

Who is that guy?

[tridim]

90. He's DEFINITELY flipping him off now

Very obvious. Who is it?

[Drum]

139. would love to see a screen-cap of that nt

[Hissyspit]

33. Wilson and Roosevelt were acting before FISA

Attorney General has come up with a SINGLE example of wiretapping since 1978 outside of FISA authorizaation

[VP505]

36. This is how

a President speaks, plainly direct and to the point, listen up "W" you could learn a few things.

[rodeodance]

yes, Jr could learn a bit if his arrogance would step to the side.

[Catchawave]

I make the same comparison when anybody

speaks! Russ is very eloquent and I can't wait for Bush's response..."heh, heh, heh, protectin'amur'ca"

[realFedUp]

37. In our system of government, no one, not even the President, is above the

law

[rodeodance]

41. do you think the WH staff is gluded to the tube?

[realFedUp]

47. no, they are scrambling to write Spectator's speech

and send their talking points to Faux news outlets

[Coexist]

54. exactly - that is why they needed the advance copies

interns on overload right now.

[The Witch]

65. i fear what specter will say.

i used to dream specter would speak for himself, but not anymore.

sigh.

[rodeodance]

66. good move by Russ

[realFedUp]

43. Don't yield the floor Feingold.

We like what we're hearing.

[goclark]

49. He looks ~~ PRESIDENTIAL!

[jane_pippin]

45. Saying briefing only 7 members of a committee is contrary to the law

(briefing about programs that is).

Take 'em to School, Russ!

[The Witch]

50. "audacity"

a good word to attach to W.

[Hissyspit]

52. "Constitutional Crisis"

[JohnnyCougar]

53. "This President hides behind flawed legal arguments"

Go Russ!!

[Coexist]

64. He is amazing.

[JohnnyCougar]

67. "Not standing up to Bush is giving in to the terrorists"

[Placebo]

55. "This President hides behind the office he holds...

but he can't hide from what he has created; a constitutional crisis."

WOW.

[rodeodance]

58. Pres has created a 'constitutional crisis" with his domestic spying.

[JackBeck]

59. I love how many times he's saying "The President broke the law".

[pberq]

60. nothing short of a constitutional crisis

[babylonsister]

61. The President has violated the law! nt

[suffragette]

62. The president has violated the law and Congress must respond

[Dawgs]

63. If nothing else,

Fiengold has brought illegal spying back to the discussion.

[Coexist]

68. "that we are so MEEK!"

"because everyone is afraid to MENTION that the President broke the law."

[babylonsister]

69. We're so meek in response to the terrorist threat that we're going

to let the president break the law and not stand up against him. Not if Feingold has his way!

[Coexist]

76. that line gave me CHILLS!!

Chills, I tell ya'

[jane_pippin]

That was fantastic!

Amazing to hear. A-mazing.

[Hissyspit]

70. Victory for the terrorists!!! if we let the president get away with

breaking law

[Hissyspit]

79. He kicked ASS

Great speech

[JackBeck]

71. If the president breaks the law, that's a victory for the terrorists!

[Beelzebud]

82. The silver bullet! The wreath of garlic. The stake through the heart.

Call it what you want, but thats what Russ Feingold just hammered into the GOP!

Russ Feingold for President!

[rodeodance]

72. says it is a Victory for the terrorists if Congress does not hold Jr accou

table. whow who

[The Witch]

73. WOOOOOOOO

I have chills.

"Now THAT's a victory for the terrorists!! If we won't even stand up for our system of government!"

[suffragette]

You and me both

Russ is doing a fantastic job.

[Coexist]

85. Me too

I am so mad - my son has a Dr. appointment soon and I have to go in 10 minutes.

Waaaaah!

[malaise]

86. Brilliant Russ

Congrats. Censure the real terrorist -GW Bush.

[dave29]

74. "the President flings poo at the law like the chimposter he is"

sorry, I may have daydreamed that part

[dogday]

75. OMG Russ Go Man Go

I am so in love with this guy, hold me back....

[rodeodance]

83. Russ now sends the Resolution to the desk.

[rodeodance]

87. Specter asked the Sen. of WI to stay on the floor.

[rodeodance]

97. specter wantsRuss to return. Russ left the chamber-so he asked staff

to invite him back.

[jane_pippin]

77. Admonishing naysayers about using terra fears to allow george to break the

law!

I am clapping and cheering! Standing up for US!

[Dinger]

78. Holy Smoking Shit! Russ Is Mad!

Go Russ Go!!!:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Pithy Cherub]

80. The president broke the law and congress not holding accountable.

that's a victory for the terrorists. :wow: GO RUSS GO!

No one is above the law!

[babylonsister]

81. American people look to us to take action against wrongdoing, not

even the prez is above the law.

[jseankil]

Thank You For Protecting my Rights Feingold!!!

This Man Is A True American!

[democrat_patriot]

89. The guy behind Russ is giving the finger...

[MuseRider]

102. I saw that too

and wondered about it.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

114. Really? Who was it? n/t

[Nitrogenica]

203. Oh mang I would LOVE a clip of that!

Don't forget about that stinky finger!

[pinto]

84. Well done, Senator!

[Coexist]

88. Specter up!

Wants Russ to stay there.

[Kolesar]

92. Time to match wits...eom

[Kolesar]

112. I agree with some things (Feingold) has said

(response, censure)..is excessive

[Hissyspit]

93. He's being a dick.

[Beelzebud]

96. Magic Bullet Specter probably has a few theories to throw out there.

:D

[uppityperson]

103. he wants someone to debate, wants Feingold to listen

by the way specter, it is NOT JUST FEINGOLD!

[myrna minx]

91. Spector is up now.

He wants to debate Feingold.

[JackBeck]

Wants to debate!

[Greeby]

94. mega-flag!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[babylonsister]

95. Specter, get on with it already. nt

[ClassWarrior]

101. Okay, what's Creepy Arlen trying to pull?

NGU.

[Beelzebud]

109. He probably has a Magic Bullet up his sleeve.

[Dinger]

98. Specter, Hmmmmm . . . Wants A Debate???

Wants him to come back for a debate??

Hey, you ugly old man, don't fuck with Russ!!!
Be warned asshole!!!

[ripple]

110. WTF??

At least he'll have to share his 25 minutes.

[babylonsister]

126. I wish Feingold would take him up on it! nt

[The Witch]

99. Specter wants to debate Feingold on the floor!!!!!

This is awesome.

[jane_pippin]

116. And now for a steaming pile of BS, please welcome Sen. Specter...

:applause:

Welcome Sen. Specter, lets see how you feel about upholding the Constitution.

[incapsulated]

100. Spector wants to debate!

Bring it on!

[ClassWarrior]

125. Arlen wants to ask Russ a lot of pointed questions, and...

...then declare that a debate has been held.

:eyes:

NGU.

[incapsulated]

191. God help us, 11 more minutes of this bullshit...

:puke:

[Coexist]

104. addressing the "Resolve Clause"

"He (Feingold) is vastly excessive"

[Generic Other]

105. CALL YOUR SENATORS NOW!!!

Pin them down on their position vis a vis Feingold censure. I called Murray and Cantwell. Cantwell is undecided whether to sign on. I reminded her there is already a real Repub running against her in 06. We don't need a Dem in Pug clothing. I said if she doesn't start acting like a Democrat, I wouldn't bother to cast a vote. She can't afford to ignore all the Dems in Washington who are fed up with her DLC/Bush bootlicking.

[EFerrari]

130. Feinstein's DC line is busy.

And, I'll keep trying.

[Coexist]

133. TOLL FREE NUMBER: 1-888-355-3588

[Marnieworld]

106. Senator Douchebag from PA has the floor

How does he look himself in the mirror? He's such a liar. Grrrrrrrr!

[rodeodance]

115. no one had an advance copy. te he.

[rodeodance]

107. 'vastly obsessive"--over the top. beyond the pale-says Specter

[myrna minx]

117. But a blow-job was a high crime to "Magic Bullet" Spector.

:eyes:

[The Witch]

108. What the hell is he setting up?!?

Bullshit.

[harpo]

111. I'll vote for Feingold :)

[JohnnyCougar]

113. Jetstream of Bullshit coming from the mouth of Arlen Specter right now

This guy is so full of it.

[EFerrari]

120. Trying to call Feinstein and her DC line is busy.

:)

[rodeodance]

122. Specter saying how Gonzalas determined that Jr had 'inherant' powers.

[flpoljunkie]

169. Sadly, Specter sold his soul to keep Chairmanship of Senate Judiciary.

There is evidently nothing he will not do to keep it.

[rodeodance]

184. he likes being Chair.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

177. One lies and the other swears to it.

Those are their inherent powers.

[Beelzebud]

123. A hail of Magic Bullets shooting from his mouth.

:D

[jane_pippin]

136. That guy's got a lot of gall.

We aren't supposed to have DICTATORS, Arlen! Try to handle getting a frickin' clue, will ya please?

[liveoaktx]

147. So now we see his leading the Hearings on this was just a SmokeScreen

[Marnieworld]

155. So intellectually dishonest

And he is allegedly a lawyer. If FISA is unconstitutional then how did it become law and stay law? If they had a problem with the law then they should have followed legal avenues to change the law. He doesn't even address all of the lies Feingold cited. FISA would not have been law created if it wasn't decided that the president did not have this power. Weren't we in a war when it was enacted? The Cold War? Why is this war different?

If I can poke holes in the logic without being a lawyer then any lawyer could. If it's debateable then the courts should decide not Senators.

[babylonsister]

118. So, Specter was against the blivet spying before he was/is for

it? :crazy:

[The Witch]

119. Specter can't even get out the words.

He knows it's pure donkey feces.

[Sydnie]

131. Call the wambulance ... no one there to fight with hey Arlen?

:rofl:

Can't get out of the way of his own tongue!

[babylonsister]

137. He is sounding lame. But more hearings sound good to me! nt

[astonamous]

138. Now we will see if Specter knows anything about the constitution

or the rule of law.

[rodeodance]

141. Spector againing insisting Pres. has authority under Article 2.

[WinkyDink]

The lowest point of Specter's career, bar none, INCLUDING

the "Magic Bullet".
Acting all tough "opportunity to confront" Russ! LOLOLOLOLOL!!

President HAS "inherent authority". YOU ARE SUCH A CRAVEN ARSE-KISSER.

"Constitution trumps the statute." DID CONGRESS PASS AN UN-CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, ARLEN?????!!!!

[zippy890]

Specter: ' Blololololo lawll blohle...'

sputtering and blubbering doublespeeak

what a contrast to Feingold

[incapsulated]

124. "Inherent authority" from "reputable sources"!

lol!

:rofl:

[Fleshdancer]

142. refutable sources? is this man drunk?

is this really the republican stance? That big brother can indeed secretly spy in Americans without any oversight? Is that what they're rolling with?

:wtf:

[incapsulated]

178. It's all they've got.

Bullshit, lies, spin and the majority.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

143. He keeps saying that, but doesn't bring up the other experts who

say the pres broke the law!!

[rodeodance]

127. specter ticked off that Russ will come back to debate him.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

128. Specter is a whore and he's lousy at lying........

[Beelzebud]

129. Feingold needs to get back in there ASAP and shut Magic Bullet up!

[RSchewe]

I agree. Where is Feingold now that Specter is questioning his statements

Is he in the bathroom or something? Specter made it seem like Russ Feingold was dodging him on the way out.

[rodeodance]

198. Russ must have good reasons for not debating now.

[dogday]

132. Anyone know what he is talking about?

mumbling, bumbling words...

[The Witch]

134. DID SPECTER VOTE FOR FISA?

If he did, he voted to limit the President's power in just the way he says is unconstitutional!

C'mon Russ, get the fuck down there!!!

[ripple]

135. Unsupported by any statement of law?

What, like illegal spying? Constitutional authority my ass. Hell, if that's the case, let's just eliminate the other two branches of government and get it done with, you sonofabitch.

[pberq]

170. Exactly - why not just make it an open dictatorship?

If the Presidential powers under Article 2 can trump any law, what's the point of Congress?

[incapsulated]

140. Where is Russ???

This prick is calling him out and shit! :mad:

[dave29]

145. Halfway to Gitmo?

just a guess

[incapsulated]

153. They wish, lol. n/t

[astonamous]

150. Hopefully doing interviews for TV so everyone can hear him

[babylonsister]

152. In the hall laughing his heiny off?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

154. Never mind. Call your senator. Tell them to step up.

Specter is watery and unfocussed.

Russ has done his job.

[astonamous]

161. Hatch and Bennett both lines busy. I got through to Reid though.

[EFerrari]

187. I can't get through to ANYBODY!

This may be HUGH!11

[incapsulated]

172. It's just infuriating

First they try to stop him from speaking at all, then this asshole acts like he ran away.

Motherfuckers.

[EFerrari]

182. I know. It IS. But, go around their @sses.

:toast:

[Twist_U_Up]

163. Let him sit there and whine like a little baby. hahahahaha nt

[Twist_U_Up]

144. Go Fuck Yourself Specter and your debate, from Mr.Feingold HAHAHA nt

[rodeodance]

146. Specter is just have a tissyfit

[rodeodance]

158. keeps saying that Article II trumps the FISA law. over and over.

[Demit]

It REALLY sounds like Specter is reaching, talking about what trumps what

[jane_pippin]

165. He can't compete with righteous anger. He sounds pathetic because

that's exactly what defending this bullshit is.

[liberal N proud]

148. Repeat a lie so many times Specter and maybe someone will believe

[Catchawave]

149. Every spoken word is going on record right now....

making the pukes look like the idiots they are. And these quotes will come back to haunt them all :evilgrin:

[babylonsister]

159. Specter surely doesn't sound like he did his homework. nt

[Beelzebud]

181. I wish Feingold would get back in there and put him in his place!

[Daphne08]

151. I'm just a mere simpleton, but how can the President trump

the very Act which was created to Check the power of the Presidency.

[ripple]

164. He can't

Spector is full of shit.

[MasonJar]

156. Russ Feingold shot down every single point that Bushites made.

He went point by point and systematically disassembled the whole apparatus. I personally think that censure is too meak. The whole bunch should be impeached and sent to the Hague. Put them in Miloshvic's cell; he's gone. I am confident that he didn't kill as many people as Bush and company.

[ClassWarrior]

174. Russ said that this is only a first step.

NGU.

[uppityperson]

157. THREAD 4 link here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x649606
3 too long

[pinto]

186. self delete, mispost.

[The Witch]

160. [phone] CALL RUSS'S OFFICE

make his interns get him back there!

[Beelzebud]

171. Is that toll-free?

[rodeodance]

175. keep his phone buzzing and call specters office also.

[VP505]

162. So now we get

Specter picking his resolution apart, never mind the Presidents law violations, and the fact his party won't hold "W" accountable, spend time picking the resolution apart. What a dip sh**!

[rodeodance]

166. Why do you think that Russ will not come back to chat with this dipscick?

[ripple]

180. I'm surprised he didn't stay

Just to listen to the repug response, in order to refute later.

It is odd.

[flpoljunkie]

185. Russ has outmaneuvered the soldout Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee.

Specter's pathetic attempt to support his lying, incompetent Commander-in-Chief has bombed. I am no longer watching it.

[ClassWarrior]

190. I think that's the strategy. Let the Cons blather and stumble and...

...talk themselves into a corner.

NGU.

[pdxmom]

167. Spector's argument is that because that bootlicker Gonzales says

it's so, then it's so? And how did he feel about Gonzales' "rightness" on torture?

What a joke his little fit is!

[Fleshdancer]

168. So does this mean Specter is also taking time away from the budget debate?

he's not prepared...just flipping through the papers and mumbling now

[Habibi]

173. I've only been able to catch bits here and there

Why did Russ leave, and will he be back??

[NanceGreggs]

176. Specter is REALLY floundering ...

... "The Senator from Wisconsin's remarks were 'over the top'."

THAT'S the basis of your legal argument?

He sounds like he just stood up in the classroom to give an oral essay on a topic he's never heard of.

[rodeodance]

189. poor specter--he did not have an advance copy.

[rodeodance]

179. talk shows will replay this and see a real Leader (hear that Reid?)

[VP505]

193. Ed Schultz

asked Reid if he would support this and he hemmed and hawed and said he wanted hearings, I think we all need to get on Reid and demand he support this.

[Joanne98]

183. i watched jfk the other night. magic bullet theory makes specter

a major criminal. worse than nixon...

[Beelzebud]

188. Yeah it's sick he's still in our government.

[rodeodance]

196. call every senator-toll free number below

TOLL FREE NUMBER: 1-888-355-3588

[mattclearing]

192. Word. n/t

[Mrspeeker]

195. they should duel it out

like in the old days, could be on pay per view though :)

[ClassWarrior]

194. "ELEVEN minutes!!?? Surely I've been mumbling longer than THAT!!"

:rofl:

NGU.

[democrat_patriot]

199. Pleeeese stop talking. Your hurting me.

Specter-mumble is mind numbing.

[NanceGreggs]

197. How much time do I have left?

Again I reference a kid in school who has to speak for five minutes on a topic he knows nothing about.

"How much time do I have left, Mrs. Teacher?"

"That would be four minutes and forty-five seconds, Arlen."

"Shucks, okay ..."

:rofl:

[babylonsister]

202. "Damn, gotta keep talking out my arse!" nt

[rodeodance]

201. new threrd 4 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=649606&mesg_id=649606

[southern_belle]

204. The CBS Evening News

didn't even report it at 5:30!!!!

:rant: