Robert Fisk is on Aussie TV right now and he says something's weird.

[rooboy]

He's openly saying that he strongly suspects the "civil war" is being deliberately fomented by the security forces. He also notes that noboby seems to be catching bombers on their way to commit a crime.

"There's something wrong in the narrative sequence that we've been given."

He has one really big question: the death squads work for the Interior Ministry. WHO IS PAYING THE DEATH SQUADS?

ON EDIT:

He says that the power structure in Iraq is as follows:

* The Iraqi Shiite government is basically the proxy of the Iranians.
* Moqtada Al Sadr is of no importance to the Iranians - he's not representing them.
* The Sunnis are fighting the US not to get them immediately out per se, but rather to establish their nationalistic credentials with the Shi'ites when the US leaves (i.e. "we stood up and fought the US")
* The US won't be able to leave without the help of Iran and Syria.
* He's seen no evidence that Al Zarqawi is alive. His mother died a month or so ago, and he didn't even pass on a message of condolence. His wife back in Jordan is forced to work, and he also says that the people who claim to recognize him in photos would have never met him.

So I surmise from this that the Interior Ministry has a little "black ops" section (courtesy of John Negroponte) which is working against the Iraqi government.

[bpilgrim]

1. we WANT CIVIL WAR so they stop shooting at us as much

and, of course, to help us kill them... no to mention that 'SECURITY' is the ONLY fig leaf our corrupt gov even deigns to put forth anymore.


more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[rodeodance]

24. but it seems that our troops are bunkered down last week.

...no to mention that 'SECURITY' is the ONLY fig leaf our corrupt gov even deigns to put forth anymore.

[marmar]

2. WHO IS PAYING THE DEATH SQUADS?

We've done it before... :think:

[acmejack]

15. Well, I would look at the guy with all the experience!

Right Mr NID?

[Ouabache]

33. I thought there was talk of the 'Honduras Option' in Iraq

a year or so ago, here and elsewhere. That it was an official option. No doubt, Negroponte's last consultation before he left the scene there to assume his post HERE.

[marmar]

34. And we know what a great lover of death and covert murder...

that ghoul Negroponte is.

[rodeodance]

3. Which security forces are you referring to?---

....He's openly saying that he strongly suspects the "civil war" is being deliberately fomented by the security forces. He also notes that noboby seems to be catching bombers on their way to commit a crime.

[bpilgrim]

7. the us sponsored iraqi ones

they're the only ones i've been reading about

peace

[rooboy]

10. The Iraqi Interior Ministry. n/t

[rodeodance]

13. thanks. I think I read this somewhere.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. Does he say why...

...he thinks it's being fomented by the security forces?

[rooboy]

9. He does, but I can't do it justice here.

In the next 24 hours the transcript will become available at www.abc.net.au/lateline

[bpilgrim]

11. since they are the ones running the DEATH SQUADS

and they aren't stopping any bombings, apparently

peace

[hippiechick]

5. Of course !

I used to wonder if the 'terrorists' running loose blowing shit up between Israel and Palestine weren't some of our own there to keep things agitated.

Constant war means constant profit for the arms racketeers ...

[leesa]

31. I think you are correct. They are basically stealing from the American

people. GE, Westinghouse and all the other arms dealers are going to keep making war and just keep taking our money to do it. They get richer and richer and we get poorer and deader. It's the only thing keeping this very unhealthy economy going.

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. Well, who is obtuse enough to think that bombing Sunni mosques

will force them back to the negotiating table? Who doesn't realize that the Sunnis will probably answer fire with fire? And who reported it in the paper yesterday that the bombings ARE succeeding in bringing the Sunni's back to the negotiating table?

I think we should be told.

[morgan2]

8. the elephant in the room

The US needs ongoing violence in Iraq to justify a large military presence, until it can later be backed down once the mission(securing the oil, and whatever else they're u p to) is completed.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

16. Ongoing violence...

...is what's stopping the oil from flowing now.

[morgan2]

22. Its not about it flowing now..

Thats just a side benefit, there were many oil related reasons for going into Iraq. One of the large ones was keeping Saddam from selling oil on the euro standard. Oil companies are making record profits now, why would they be eager to flood the market with new product? Its more important to secure it for the future then to sell it now.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

25. I don't know about that.

The current violence has plainly shown that the US does not have control of the situation in Iraq.

[morgan2]

29. I don't disagree

but it seems obvious that some level of continued violence is good for Bush's investors.

[FloridaPat]

12. There were two caught recently - one American and one British.

There have been comments from several Iraqis that have found bombs in their cars or trucks after being stopped and searched by American troops. Who is paying anyone over there? Where is that $2 billion a week going? * wanted to Iraqize Iraq. When our government Vietnamized Vietnam, it used US soldiers as death squads to go around to villages and wipe them off the face of the earth. This fiasco has to be one of the worst war crimes commited in modern history.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. Task Force 121?

MOVING TARGETS

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/031215fa_fact

[Dunvegan]

14. Mayhaps our Contra death squad evil-doer, Negroponte, has his hands bloody

...again.

Any conjecture?

[acmejack]

19. They say that history repeats itself.

And we all know that history indicates our beloved NID, Mr. Negroponte is a brutal murdering thug, gee I couldn't imagine he could be involved in anything so base, so vulgar, so disgusting. This is exactly in keeping with the nation of filthy murdering monsters we have become. I would expect no less from "the land of the free & the home of the brave."

Damn, depressed already and the day has just started...

[Dunvegan]

23. Cheer up & take a look at this thread on SF's vote to impeach Bush/Cheney

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2138478

Ought to put a small smile on your face.

[acmejack]

28. Thanx, I needed that!

[rodeodance]

21. Negroponte did not sound so rosy yesterday (said we CAN win-Not that

we ARE winning. He was talking at a Senate hearing and Kennedy was saying Bush was optimistic about winning and he asked Negroponte if we are winning--and Negro hemmed and hawed giving an answer.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Some of the funding comes from US taxpayers via all the "secret"

contracts that the criminals in the administration of George W. Bush have "awarded".

Some also comes from other terrorist organizations and nation states that support them. It's complex.

Our money is involved in some of this.

[rodeodance]

20. so, he is claiming al Zarqawi may be dead (and Micheal Leeden says

OBL died in IRan). umm..


....He's seen no evidence that Al Zarqawi is alive. His mother died a month or so ago, and he didn't even pass on a message of condolence. His wife back in Jordan is forced to work, and he also says that the people who claim to recognize him in photos would have never met him.

[madrchsod]

26. some of the iraqi bloggers are saying the same thing.

the shrine job was executed by professionals...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

27. Hmm...

We never should have disbanded the Iraqi army. I wonder how many of their "professional" munitions people went into business for themselves.

[leftchick]

30. That all makes perfect sense

Thank you for the summery rooboy. I trust Fisk's judgment on Iraq more than any other journalist there. Michael Ware going on and on about the ghost al-zarqawi just pisses me off. I believe al-qaeda in Iraq is really negroponte's death squads in Iraq.

[Robeson]

32. Very interesting. Thanks for posting....

...:thumbsup:

[peacetalksforall]

35. What does this mean? "* The US won't be able to leave without the help

of Iran and Syria."

PS I absolutely believe that violence is orchestrated by us and the British. Whatever happened to the Brits who were caught - about 7 months ago?