STOP. Rewind. Go back to 9/11, re-examine. We have lost our way.

[debbierlus]

This port deal was bugging me last night. I know it is about the money, and the corrupt alliance of the 'House of Bush/House of Sauds'. I don't buy this as a Rovian trick or the President has gone insane (he is insane, but that is not what is pushing this deal). The more I thought about it, the more clear it became that this is just an EXPOSURE of the long standing arrangement of a very few wealthy families controling the money and power in the world. Last night, the last veil fell for me. I realized that I was still ascribing merit to the 9/11 story as a attack from Al Queda and a Bin Laden that was somehow waging a war on us.

This happened when I spent three hours going through the web watching videos and reading 9/11 articles. I NEVER believed this before. But, I truly believe that 9/11 was an inside job. Logistically, rationally, scientifically - the offical stories do not only raise questions. They make absolutely NO SENSE. Watch this video when you have a chance - it is an hour long. I found myself questioning a few of their points, but the vast majority is strickingly honest and irrefutable:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2023320890224991194

So, let us stop discussing this port deal in the CONTEXT OF THE BUSH PROPAGANDA. This is really hard. It is a big step. Instead of saying that Al Queda attacked us on 9/11 and we are at war with Al Queda say:

We were attacked from within on 9/11. A psychological mind fuck akin to the German Kristallnacht. I don't know if Bush was in on it. My instinct is no. He is merely a front man for Cheney and the underpinnings of the neo-cons who truly run the nation. Or, a family prop. Bush I believe is a outsider to the many events occuring in his Presidency. There is an article today that says he didn't know about the port deal until after it was approved. Like I said - I don't know.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/US/Terrorism/

I believe that the Sauds are close allies not with the United States, but with the people operating within the Bush adminstration. I believe that the port deal is nothing but a exposure of this fact.

I have been parroting the adminstration's lie that Al Queda attacked us on 9/11. I have been forming my beliefs and opinions on this lie. The SAUDI GOVERNMENT IN ALLIANCE WITH OUR GOVERNMENT ATTACKED US. In light of this thinking, the port deal makes PERFECT sense.

9/11 was the 'pearl habor' the neo-cons needed for their sick plans to be swallowed by a terrified American public.

I urge everyone to go back and review the 9/11 story. In-depth. Objectively and logically. Where it will take you is terrifying.

[serryjw]

1. Welcome to MIHOP

As for the Saudi gov't..I would say they were LIHOP.

[debbierlus]

2. What does MIHOP mean? And LIHOP?

[meganmonkey]

3. "Made it Happen On Purpose"

and "Let It Happen On Purpose", respectively.

As in thinking bushco actually orchestrated 9/11 completely, or they let 9/11 happen for political reasons.

Peace

[BlueEyedSon]

26. I'll have the short stack with syrup and a side of link sausages

oops, I thought you said "IHOP".....

[serryjw]

29. You can always twist my arm

to go to IHOP.

[BlueEyedSon]

30. It Happened On Purpose, who needs the first letter!

yummy!

[ixion]

4. when you finally realize that the 'official' story simply doesn't add up

on so many levels, it's an eye-opening experience, to be sure.

We can only hope more people are willing to accept that all is not as it seems with regard to the narrative of 911.

[debbierlus]

6. This port deal may be a step in that direction.

But, it will take a LONG time. I am a pretty open-minded and progressive person. Pretty skeptical. And, though I knew for a long time that the 9/11 story didn't add up, the implications and truth just hit me in its totality last night. Likewise, the progressive open-minded people around me are just STARTING to think that things are amiss with the 9/11 story.

[mike_c]

5. so what if al Qaeda DID attack us on 9/11...?

That's the question that I keep coming back to. Even if 9/11 wasn't an inside job or a grey-area LIHOP job, in the end, so what? Some folks took advantage of the fact that America is (was) an open society instead of a security state and they killed a bunch of people. That's terrible, but it simply doesn't justify our responses during the last five years. America has used 9/11 to exacerbate and justify its abuses throughout the world-- the very abuses that inspired the 9/11 hijackers to act in the first place. We learned NOTHING. We became even worse after 9/11. We squandered any good will the rest of the world might have been willing to extend us in the wake of 9/11.

I am so tired of hearing about 9/11. I'm sorry that 3000 mostly innocent people were killed, but you know what? The US kills that many innocents EVERY DAY to maintain its empire. WE are the world's most dangerous terrorists, not al-Qaeda. I am so sick and ashamed of what America has become.

[debbierlus]

7. You missed my point entirely.

It is about our GOVERNMENT attacking its own people to suppress them through fear. You are right. The current adminstration ARE a bunch of terrorists. No question.

It is CRITICAL that the truth be revealed about 9/11. Not just for justice to be served for those who were murdered, but because it will awaken the American people to the coup they didn't even know occurred. You can just let this drop. It is a bitter truth people need to see so that they will pushed to oppose this regime. And, end the tyranny that you correctly fingered in your post.

[mike_c]

12. sorry, my response was OT-- I got your point....

I'm just tired of hearing about 9/11, and tired of 9/11 being invoked to justify the very worst in America. It's time to forget about 9/11, IMO. I'm just as ready to do that if it was an inside job as I am if it was an al-Qaeda attack.

[debbierlus]

17. 9/11 is a justification fo Bush - that is why it needs to be exposed

What we have heard about 9/11 is a bunch of lies - it is time for the truth to be revealed so the adminstration will be STOPPED & held to account. 9/11 isn't a justification for anything the US has done, but it is allowed to be made that way through the lies and spin. We can't let this drop. Exposing 9/11 is essential for stopping the behavior that it is used to justify.

[DemInDistress]

28. Its time to "FORGET 911" WOW.....

Shame on you..Well I'm not tired and neither are millions of real Americans tired. Its OK to listen to these scumbags EXPLOIT 911 forever calling upon the dead to raise the fear level. WE WANT THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS
ANSWERED.
I can't believe you said that mike.c
BTW,are you satisfied with the Official 911 "ludicrous" Report?

[mike_c]

32. of course I'm not "satisfied" with it....

But I'm tired of 9/11 being used to justify the destruction of civil liberties in America and an imperial foreign policy abroad. I say it's time to move on and stop obsessing about 9/11. It happened. It's over. It was just an event. It didn't "change everything."

[debbierlus]

41. It changed the American's people PERCEPTION

The American people acquiesed to the very things you are stating 9/11 doesn't justify.

How on earth can we move on from our own government murdering thousands of innocent people to justify starting illegal wars (killing thousands more)? How can we move on from the event that launched the unleashing of the neo-cons control of America?

9/11 is used as a WEAPON against the American people. Your post doesn't make sense.

[DemInDistress]

44. guess you haven't been to NYC...I live here

mike,your insane !!! I agree out "rights" are being eaten away but to forget 911 without knowing the answers
is absurd.Stop whining,and DEMAND a new investigation.!!

[coalition_unwilling]

38. There is no "War on Terror." There is a "War for Empire"

We will lose that war, I am absolutely convinced, if we haven't already done so. The only question remaining is how many more innocents will dies before the regime is hauled before an interantional tribunal.

Am I being overly optimistic?

[Atman]

8. How did if get this way?

That is what is such a total mindfuck. How did we get here, and what can we do to get out of this almost incomprehensible mess the Bush Cabal has gotten us into?

And how long before this thread gets locked away in the attic, in a trunk behind Crazy Uncle Lazlo's Roswell Alien scrapbooks?

[debbierlus]

11. I think it will just have to play out

We have to keep speaking out and show courage. They will be exposed - all tyrants are in the end. The terrifying this is that at no other point in history did the entire human race and life on earth hang in the balance such as in this modern era of nukes. They literally could destroy EVERYTHING.

[Twist_U_Up]

25. "They literally could destroy EVERYTHING."

Not everything, just enough to rule the world. PNAC

[Blue Belle]

35. I'm suprised this thread has lasted in the GD this long...

getting locked into the 9/11 Forum attic in 5... 4... 3... 2....

[i miss america]

9. Check out a radio show tonight

Dr. David Ray Griffin will be on the Mike Malloy show.
Wednesday Night (Feb. 22nd)
10PM - 1AM EST

Additional details here:
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/02/dr-david-ray-griffin-on-mike-malloy.html

Dr. Griffin does a great job exposing inconsistencies in the official story.

:applause:

[Twist_U_Up]

14. This should be a post in itself. NT

[serryjw]

24. I have a senior ( very well read) online friend that

never was a MIHOP supporter UNTIL she read DRG. He is above reproach. Has a reputation that is 2nd to few. I agree, read all that he wrote and pass along.

We have been talking about 9-11 and HOW to get Americans to accept that really happened. I wrote on another thread. UNTIL we divide paleoconservatives ( and what they believe) with neocons we will continue to have this problem. People need to know WHY before they will begin to accept it.Just human nature.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

10. I don't know the truth, but I will tell you this much

my mind is VERY open to all the possibilities. Nothing is impossible.

[debbierlus]

13. When the official story is logicistically impossible -

There is nothing but other possibilities.

[Twist_U_Up]

16. watch that video

Your mind will quickly focus on the main perps.

[debbierlus]

19. Great video - everyone should repost it periodically

[CrazyOrangeCat]

15. You're right, Ms. Debbie.

The thread will get locked soon . . . but you're still right.

Too many things about 9/11 don't add up.

NORAD should have scrambled jets, when four airliners went dramatically off course. They didn't.

There is a huge list of things that don't add up.

And Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfie and Bush Sr. know all about it.

They have, sadly, carried off an evil so profound, that people who have not been trained to think for themselves cannot possibly comprehend it.

[debbierlus]

20. What does it mean to get locked? They take it off the board?

[Twist_U_Up]

21. hint

the post will end up in the 9/11 forum. Appearently the facts arent enough for some people to comprehend yet. But its slowy coming around. I just hope its not too late.

The next question is

When is the next one ? After the port deal?

[debbierlus]

22. This seems a relevant topic for today considering the port deal

And, making sense of why it is happening.

[Twist_U_Up]

23. seemed relevant 4 years ago too

the more things change the more they stay the same.

[titoresque]

18. K&R!

It's a sickening discovery, one that changes a person forever I think.
Thanks for the post!

[electron_blue]

27. I agree. This is where I've been for the last 2 yrs.

[yodermon]

31. THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT

Except that of these usurpers of the US Government.

Consider: IF they MIHOP, then there IS NO THREAT OF ARAB/PERSIAN/SOUTH ASIAN/MUSLIM TERRORISM, and there NEVER HAS BEEN A THREAT OF ARAB/PERSIAN/SOUTH ASIAN/MUSLIM TERRORISM. (well ok there is a "threat" but it's so f*king miniscule as to be utterly negligible).

And this UAE/Port deal is simply evidence that the conspirators KNOW that there is no Arab/Persian/South Asian/Muslim terrorist threat. They know this because they are the ones who MIHOP.

--OR--

The UAE/Port deal was SUPPOSED to be part of the plan for the next MIHOP, but ironically shrub's "base" got out in front of it once word got out, bcz they've been conditioned to hate and fear all things Arab/Persian/Muslim.

[Twist_U_Up]

33. Jeb beat them all

He got his port deal with DB

[Virginia Dare]

37. BINGO, this is the point I've been trying to make

over the past couple of days, THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN. They know that this deal poses no threat, but they can't come out and say it. So they come up with these lame-ass "just trust us" and "UAE" is our friend excuses that absolutely cannot penetrate the rampant paranoia that they have stirred up in this country. They are truly backed into a corner on this one. GREAT CALL!!!

[centristo]

34. I recommend "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man"

by John Perkins for added nightmares.

[Virginia Dare]

36. I agree with every word you say....

this is the absolute core of the truth, it has to be. Nothing else makes any realistic sense.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

39. Can we talk?

I'm listening to the video as I type this. It is slow going because the streaming is very slow today. But I immediately have some questions, and if these are covered later in the piece just hit me on the head and tell me to shut up.

There is some compelling evidence so far, and I think the most compelling to me is the "footprint" of the Pentagon crash being very different from what we would expect. Now, here's my biggest question. Didn't the air flight controllers have a fix on this plane and know by its transponder that it was the commercial airline and not a military jet or missile? And if it WAS the latter, where did the passengers go? They evidently got on the plane and took off?

tg

[TallahasseeGrannie]

43. I finally finished it

and spent some time researching some rebuttal online.

I think it loses me with the issue of the cell phone calls. I personally don't think the calls were fake. That would have been a whole LOT of work and Bush was only in office less than a year. I just don't see where he would have had the ability to get this level of a Mission Impossible stunt put together.

In some ways I would rather believe it was all a conspiracy because somehow that fits in better with other elements of this administration and it is nice and neat to think of them like the Darth Vader dark side. But I doubt it is that black and white. My gut hunch (and of course I have nothing else to offer but that) is that it happened the way we were led to believe it happened. BUT I have a hunch that somebody in our government was in bed with OBL and AQ. But the huge hoax scenario is just too far out there for my finite mind, and I keep thinking of the literally hundreds of folks who would have to be in the know about this in order for it to have happened.

Do I think we know the whole story? Hell no. But some of the visual evidence in the video, like the flashes in the beginning, etc., seemed weak to me. Also, relying on witness testimony of an object going 500 MPH is less than reliable. And descriptions of explosions at the WTC... again, folks in shock and traumatized trying to describe things they had no comparison for.

Now one thing that DID intrigue me was why the government won't release the video cameras from the Pentagon parking lot. You'd think they'd want to put this to rest. So, in total, my mind still is a bit open. But the video and my subsequent research hasn't convinced me.

Folks, please don't flame me. I taught middle school all day. I'm already charred.

[RazzleDazzle]

40. I don't buy Bush "unaware" --

And here's your first clue. From the article:

President Bush was unaware of the pending sale of shipping operations at six major U.S. seaports to a state-owned business in the United Arab Emirates until the deal already had been approved by his administration, the White House said Wednesday.



I literally know of NOTHING about which they've told the truth. Do you??

And on the larger question: welcome to the club. It's an awesome, terrifying dawning, but an essential one. I personally have never been on the bandwagon re the Pentagon issue, so that's just a huge unknown (known unknown, perhaps? to borrow a phraase). But there are so very many problems with the rest of the story, that the Pentagon issue is almost extraneous. Yes, it was an inside job in one way or another.

[Generator]

42. Slow awakening-it is getting kinda obvious isn't it?

Yes, exactly. I said to my husband with this port deal-it's very Jungian-the whole collective unconscious-he was wondering why now all of a sudden the right is getting it that Bush & company sells out America for cash-for their own benefit and not ours. As many have said on DU-that's what a traitor does.

And I posted last night- "I guess us LIHOP'ers aren't looking so crazy anymore" right now with the port deal. At the very least it shows they don't give a damn who helped the 9/11 attacks and that those that did now are our allies!! What does that tell you? Anybody that spends time reading about 9/11 has to find something amiss. We HAVE been had. Whether lihop or mihop or it "just doesn't make any sense" everyone is finally coming to that conclusion. Something is seriously, seriously wrong here. And if those in power aren't stopped I don't see why it won't happen again to further their power. America is being proven to be the Bush gang's second priority at best. They are the danger.

[raccoon]

45. I just watched the video. Thanks for posting that.

I'll check out those other links that were mentioned at the end of the video.