How does 9/11 constitute an "act of war"?

[Rocknrule]

I still don't understand it. It still seems to me like just a large and organized criminal act. It wasn't carried out by any nation's gov't (unless you're MIHOP) so how can it be an act of war?

[catmother]

1. dennis miller -- the comedian -- i don't care for his politics but

he said something interesting "i wish there were a country named al-quada". what is MIHOP?:shrug:

[Virginian]

3. MIHOP is

Made It Happen On Purpose.

LIHOP is a little less drastic:
Let It Happen On Purpose.

Both refer to the Bush Administration and the Attacks on Sept 11.

[catmother]

7. the government agencies were having a pissing contest.

bush was warned by the outgoing clinton administration. relevant information was ignored. but MIHOP or LIHOP i don't think so. negligent -- yes. a reason to invade iraq -- no way. georgie talked about going into iraq right after his inauguaration -- 8 months before 9/11. jimmy carter said "going into iraq was decided even before bush was elected".

on edit: i must admit that i did back bush going into afghanistan to get bin laden and the taliban. never realized how many innocent people would be killed. i was angry like many of us were.

i have a very close friend who is a pacifist. he is the nicest, kindest person, but his cousin was killed in one of the towers. he was so angry that he said if he were younger (he was in his 40s at the time) that he would go to afghanistan and even if he only killed 1 taliban and lost his own life it would be worth it. fortunately time has gone by and even though his pain is still intense, he's back to being a pacifist.

[rman]

13. going into iraq was decided - but they didn't have a plausible reason

to do so - untill the PNAC-ers got the new Pearl Harbor they said they'd need in order to carry out their plans for US global domination.

[punpirate]

2. It's not...

... it's a political act, but it's not an act of war. The Bush administration says it is so, because they have chosen a policy which blames countries for the acts of individuals. By that logic, the US should have attacked the UK for harboring the terrorists who bombed London in July.

Don't worry, there's no sense or logic in it. That means you don't have to try to make sense of it. :)

[uppityperson]

4. why do you hate amerika?

you, you, you librul you. Im series!

[Disturbed]

6. The bush Regime demands to use the "War Powers Act",

The problem is that they can only do so if Congress officially declared War, which to those that don't know, Congress has not.

[uppityperson]

8. Yes, there is a difference here

Declaring war, vs waging war. War has never been declared by Congress.

[Swede]

5. It is an act of war.

Here's websters definition:

the waging of armed conflict against an enemy

a legal state created by a declaration of war and ended by official declaration during which the international rules of war apply

an active struggle between competing entities

a concerted campaign to end something that is injurious

[Skink]

9. The Iranian oil Bourse . Now that will be an act of war.

Saddam tried this.

[MrModerate]

11. Webster's-Schmebster's!

• "Armed conflict against an enemy" -- so a gangbanger popping another gangbanger gives Schimpanski the right to nuke LA?
• "a legal state created by a declaration of war" -- nope, not that one either.
• "an active struggle between competing entities" -- like, f'rinstance, the Winter Olympic Games?
• "A concerted campaign to end something that is injurious" -- As in the "War on Drugs" or the "War on Christmas?" I suppose you could make a case for this one, but only if you're willing to characterize what Bush and his fellow fuckwads are doing is "in concert" (myself, it seems more like a disastrous cacaphony rather than a concert).

[leftofthedial]

10. it wasn't

it was rigged to justify a smokescreen for the biggest series of crimes in history

[Peter Frank]

12. Check it out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=125

[genie_weenie]

14. You question makes the assumption

that only Nations can conduct War. And you are also reading your own viewpoints on criminal behavior.