Falwell's "Christian Law school" gets accredation

[pstokely]

do the Law students have to follow these rules?
http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=1417
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http://headlines.agapepress.org/archive/2/152006a.asp
ABA Awards Provisional Accreditation to Christian Law School

(AgapePress) - Less than two years after it opened, the training ground for Christian lawyers at the largest evangelical university in the world has reached a milestone.

It was a short 18 months ago -- August 2004 -- when the Liberty University School of Law in Lynchburg, Virginia, opened its doors to those wishing to learn constitutional law based on a Christian worldview. Now the American Bar Association (ABA) has granted the school provisional accreditation, meaning the Law School has met each of the ABA's rigorous standards for the approval of law schools, and has a plan to reach full compliance with those standards in three years.

It also means that graduates of the Liberty program will be granted the same rights and responsibilities as students graduating from a fully accredited law school. The School of Law -- the eighth college at the school founded by Dr. Jerry Falwell in 1971 -- will graduate its first class in May 2007.
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[Che_Nuevara]

1. Sh*t.

I'm ashamed to call myself Class of 2007 now (which I am).

[baldguy]

2. Why should a madrasa be able to be accredated?

[Hobarticus]

18. Western Taliban University, open for business! n/t

[napi21]

3. Oh God, I can just imagine what they teach there!

I'm ashamed to say, one of my cousins sons works for Fallwell at his school. He was a really nice teenager. Friendly, good kid, never in trouble...I don't know what happened!

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Buy Al Franken's "Lies" book

If you want an idea buy his book. In it him and a research student who goes to Harvard go undercover to "Bob Jones University." They're pretty similiar in their ways so it might give you a good idea.

[mom cat]

4. God help us all!

[pstokely]

5. ever seen the rules there?

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?PID=1417

[rurallib]

6. Oh! Jesus!!!!

Wow, think lawyers were hated before. Wait til they are going to court to help the ***** regime take away your rights.

[NoPasaran]

7. Don't lawyers still need to pass the bar before they can practice?

[bleedingheart]

8. yes and that is where the true test will be...

[Silverhair]

38. Is being an atheist a requirement for passing the bar? NT

[NoPasaran]

39. Not sure where you're going with this n/t

[Silverhair]

41. You seem to be implying that because the school is religious, then...

...they will fail the bar.

[NoPasaran]

43. No, that's not what I meant

I mean that if this school is cranking out lawyers who don't really know the law, the bar exam will weed a lot of them out.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

44. Bar exam stats for Regent (Robertson's law school)...

They were #173 out of a list of 173 :spray: and Liberty doesn't even make the list.:rofl:

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/4/desc/SchoolvsBar


Bar Exam Statistics** 2002
State in which most graduates took bar exam: VA
School's bar passage rate: 48.4%
State overall bar passage rate: 73%
School's bar performance vs. state's overall performance: -24.6%

[Marie26]

45. And it will

Even if it's accredited, it's at best a 4th tier school. This means that it will only really attract students who weren't able to get into better schools (plus a few true believers). 4th tiers schools usually have much lower bar passage rates; Liberty might do even worse if they teach Christian theology over the basics. I don't think a class has graduated there yet, but the bar stats will probably be pretty dismal.

[pstokely]

47. are there any states that ban atheists from the bar?

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

9. The serious, big-time law firms LOL at this law school.

And laugh even louder at their graduates. None of these grads will be working at Jones-Day.

[MountainLaurel]

10. Nah, they'll be working for the White House

:scared:

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

12. Cool! Incompetent lawyers defending real criminals...

That's a GOOD thing!

[smartvoter]

17. Not when they're appointed to the courts. nt

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

21. Bwahahahaha. Imagine the confirmation hearings on a "Liberty" grad?

Harriet Miers would look good next to these people. This law school is a joke in the legal community.

[Marie26]

27. You might be surprised

It's all about who you know. And there are a lot of religious fundamentalists in high places within the Bush Administration who would love to hire some more Falwell devotees.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

28. No they wouldn't. They need the best ivy league lawyers to defend them.

They don't want some 5th rate fundie making the case for their illegal activities...they want the best and brightest.

The best and brightest DO NOT attend Liberty!

[Marie26]

30. For sure

But I'm often surprised to see how many graduates of Regent & Bob Jones Univ. end up in prominent places, even though the schools themselves are second-rate. Same goes for VMI, which has a low ranking, but is admired like Harvard in Virginia (maybe more). It might be a Southern thing - there are certain schools that still form part of the "Good Old Boys" power structure, regardless of the actual ranking. Liberty could still be too new, though, to have acquired that status.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

32. Maybe, big fish in a Fundy-centric pond. In the real world, they aren't.

They may get power WITHIN a fundy centric organization but they are never big players in the real world (MAJOR law firms, multinational organizations, etc.).


Do you know of any that contradicts this point?

[Marie26]

37. Maybe, but they're big players too.

I'm assuming you're a lawyer, too. :) A Liberty grad would probably be laughed out of most national law firms, or most corporations. But things just work differently within government, especially in the South. It's still a crony game, and someone from a well-known family, or a "proper" Christian school will have a leg up. The Attorney General of VA, for example, is a graduate of Regent Univ. Once a school has many graduates in positions of power, the old-boy network kicks in to hire other graduates. And if Liberty manages to get an alumni Governor or judges, they can become part of that system & change government from the inside. It's nowhere near like having a Harvard degree, but I guess my only point was that rankings aren't everything when it comes to how much influence alumni can have.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

40. The old money families will never let them take over the "network"

The ivy league grads of monied families have extensive tentacles and long-standing connections. They will never let the new fundy network get control.

Sure, there may be one or two who makes his way into a semi-power position in the south, but the old-guard, wealthy, ivy league class will always have the real prestige and power.

[Marie26]

42. Maybe so

Let's here it for old-fashioned snobbish elitism!

[northzax]

11. well heck, that's the second in Virginia

the AG of that illustrious commonwealth graduated from Pat Robertson's law school...

[Katherine Brengle]

13. I'm not sure how I feel about this...

On one hand, there are a lot of Christian colleges in the US that have their own rules and standards...

On the other, fundie lawyers could be scary...

But the thing it--a private school can have whatever rules it wants, within reason, the only way this would be patently wrong would be if it were a state funded college.

[FreedomAngel82]

22. Right

There is this really great Christian school a lot of people at my church end up going to (a college) and it's a pretty good school. I've never heard anything bad about that. The school is Freed Hardman if you're wondering.

[Katherine Brengle]

31. Seriously--look at Boston College or any of the other "Christian" schools-

many of them are very, very good. And even though some of us may be opposed to religious indoctrination, that is our personal belief and should not translate to the private enterprises of other American citizens.

We don't want other people's beliefs forced on us--why do we want to force ours on them?

[Norquist Nemesis]

15. Oh, Goody! A fresh new roster for Judicial Appointments!

:woohoo:

[otohara]

16. Scary Newsweek Story - Falwell Law Grads Churning Out Future Judges

(snip)

Falwell and the religious right figure that if they can raise a generation that knows how to argue, they can stem the tide of sin in the country. Seventy-five percent of Liberty's debaters go on to be lawyers with an eye toward transforming society. "I think I can make an impact in the field of law on abortion and gay rights, to get back to Americans' godly heritage," says freshman debater Cole Bender.

Conservative Christian leaders would like to have a cadre of conservative Christian attorneys, who then become judges, politicians and political appointees." At Patrick Henry College, an evangelical school outside Washington, D.C.—where 30 percent of the student body engages in some form of debate—the president is so committed to producing leaders that he's also the moot-court coach. Baptist Cedarville University in Ohio just tripled its budget for debate scholarships. Falwell's school, in Lynchburg, Va., pours a half million dollars into the debate program every year, with the goal of eventually flooding the system with "thousands" of conservative Christian lawyers. "We are training debaters who can perform a salt ministry, meaning becoming the conscience of the culture," says Falwell, who is also hoping the team will elevate the humble academic reputation of Liberty itself. "So while we have the preaching of the Gospel on the one side—certainly a priority—we have the confronting of the culture on moral default on the other side."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11078887/site/newsweek/

[smartvoter]

19. This is the logical next step == appointments. nt

[FreedomAngel82]

23. Just me wondering but

does that good Christian heritage include slavery and killing Natives??

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

24. "humble academic reputation of Liberty itself"...Their reputation is crap

Smart law school hopefuls pick the law school with the highest rankings where they can get accepted. The higher the ranking, the better opportunities. Let's just say Liberty is bottom of the barrel so what quality students do you think they get there?

[Xenotime]

20. What is this world coming too?

[AspenRose]

25. Question: What about Pat Robertson's law school at Regent?

Is that one accredited too?

I know it's fourth tier.

[Marie26]

29. Regent is accredited nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

35. Yes. It has been accreditated since 1996

http://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/welcome/glance.cfm

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

46. And Regent is a proud #173 out of a list of 173...

for passing the bar exam.

http://www.ilrg.com/rankings/law/index.php/4/desc/SchoolvsBar

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. Perhaps they will edge out Liberty U. next year

[nemo137]

26. the only time constitutional law and a christian worldview should cross

is "give unto God that which is God, and give to Caesar that which belongs to Caesar."

[Texacrat]

33. Amendments that have been repealed according to LU

The 4th Amendment
The 5th Amendment
The 8th Amendment
The 9th Amendment
The 14th Amendment
Parts of the 1st Amendment
The 21st Amendment

[Texacrat]

34. Amendments that have been repealed according to LU

The 4th Amendment
The 5th Amendment
The 8th Amendment
The 9th Amendment
The 14th Amendment
Parts of the 1st Amendment
The 21st Amendment

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

36. Hope those are the answers they give on their BAR exams. nt

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

49. Kick

:kick: