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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:31 AM
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How many here find this obsession with this BS re Cheney and his misfire
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:37 AM by Citrene
misdirecting us all? There was so much coming out this week and all we have is 24/7 coverage on this non-issue.

We can join with the tin-foilers and say MIHOP or whatever.

There is just so much more we all seem to be missing here.

IMVHO we are going along and doing just what we're supposed to be. The masses are asses.

I love everyone here but it truly seems we are letting "them" control us all in new and unimaginable ways.

I care about the man who was shot, I don't buy the official story. I truly appreciated Molly Ivin's commentary on the whole affair.

Please may we all not lose sight.

Peace,
Citrene

on edit, I'm calling on every DU'er I've ever held in great respect to weigh in.

H20, Symbolman, DistressedA (who said he left), BHN, PunPirate, TIA, TahitiNut, and so on and so forth. I'm calling on the oldtimers here. There is more here, far more than meets the eye.

Tinfoil hats on, conspiracy nut alert.

:tinfoilhat:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:36 AM
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1. this is NOT a non-issue
it's one of the very few banana republican scandals that has legs.

so many of the scandals are POLICY scandals, which the average, apathetic american can be easily made not to care about by a readily manipulated msm.

but THIS story is NOT a policy story, so people are fascinated by it. you don't have to understand mid-east politics to grasp the drama.

it ain't the "right" reason to bring down cheney, but it has far more practical potential than a mountain of no-bid contracts to the company he has options on.
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f-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:38 AM
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6. I whole heartedly agree with you
we need to keep this scandel front page for long as possible, it is truly something the average guy (who would be sitting in jail right about now) can understand!
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:39 AM
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7. Did you ever hear the story of how "they" let Nixon be taken down?
How the "powers" that be let it happen? Who did we get next, Gerald Ford, and who was behind Gerald? Hmmmmm?
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:58 AM
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21. LOL! You got that right!
They serve their shady purposes, then shuffle 'em out the door...move on to their next objective, with a new and improved, handy-dandy spokesmodel.

When are people going to realize that everybody is expendable and nothing is sacred in this system?
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:03 AM
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22. It takes lots of reading, lots of history, lots and lots of peeling away
many layers. I'm not certain we have enough time. Yet hope is all we have and as GrannyD said it best in a speech I was privileged to hear, "just when you're ready to give up they throw you an "enron".

GrannyD keeps me going and never lets me give up.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:26 AM
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29. Oh yeah, I love her and her determination to rise above the BS.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 03:31 AM by countryjake
Like she says, what's at stake now is our very ability to survive, at all. (AND nature is at stake of not making it too!) If only half of us who sit on our laurels, (thinking that clacking away on this site does any good), would just get up and go out and walk this country, taking our opinions with us, maybe then we'd get some rock-solid results and learn something, along the way.

Just want to add, I agree with your original post. I even had my little bit of tin foil on there for awhile, earlier this day, when I came in here on a mission to find those Abu Ghraib photos.

I think that ALL the pols are salivating, (both sides) at the prospect of cranking this Cheney thing up, for all it's worth. Keep our little minds off of wire-tapping, withdrawing, whipping innocent prisoners, and water-logged cities! They used to use moon shots and space flights, back in the old days, when they needed major distractions. Folks now are much cheaper to manipulate!
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:34 AM
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30. Stick with GrannyD and you can't possibly go wrong. N/T
Read, educate yourself. Sun something or other and "The Art of War". Know your enemy better than yourself.

Know your history.

This is IRAN/CONTRA in SPADES and then some and why should we ever be surprised. All the same players are back and running things. How in God's name did we ever let this happen? How asleep have we been and why are we standing for it now? Shame on us all.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:49 AM
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33. and Dick didn't just shoot 'anybody' he shot FUNERALGATE
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:52 AM
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36. I agree
this shows how they lie and hide everything and hopefully the public will finally get "IT". I enjoying every second of this thing cause it shows Cheney for the heartless bastard that he is.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:36 AM
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2. If Whittington lives, this story is going to go away fast
So people had better be prepared to get back to the business of government once again.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:37 AM
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3. MSM has been missing it all along. If this be the crack in the shell,
so be it.

The panty waist dems have needed a thin edge of a wedge and this might be it.

Without the press you can't do it.

Let's take what we are given.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:37 AM
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4. I consider myself very well versed on NSA and Plame, but I love
this Cheney stuff. Keep it comin'.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:38 AM
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5. The public has to learn that it really doesn't matter
what these people do at the individual level, compared to the effects of the policies they enact. Its hard for people to manage the proportions, the numbers in their minds...But this guy wasn't really more important or meaningful than any of the 3,000 troops who've died, or really any of the Iraqis who have been killed through suicide bombers/friendly fire. We need to focus on the policies.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:43 AM
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13. unfortunately that's just not the way it works.
the 3,000,000 deaths from heart problems each year should command far more attention that the 3,000 deaths once every, um, ever from terrorist attacks.

the 50,000 kidnapping victims should command more attention than the one missing blonde in aruba or wherever.

and o.j.simpson should never have been a year-long saga.


unfortunately, that ain't what sells. or at least, the msm certainly has no clue how to sex-up the things that ought to sell.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:49 AM
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16. Ah, what a sane world it would be.
I had this moment reading your post where I visualized a world where we had our priorities set on things that actually mattered, numerically. John Lennon's Imagine was playing, and the money that now pays for the Iraq war was funding health care, and excercise facilities, and people were riding their bikes to work eating healthy. On the news a pundit was announcing that we were winning the warr on things that actually kill us.

I can dream can't I? ;)
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:39 AM
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8. This story is the equivalent of the young blonde girl, in the eyes
of the repugs. It's a story they can grasp on to! So let them! Now they pay attention?
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:41 AM
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10. Yep, Babylonsister, you're right. It is a story that the public can
get behind and remove him for. Sad commentary for us all.

What's the real story and who is going to replace the "dick"?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:40 AM
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9. THIS IS HUGH1!!
:D :tinfoilhat: :D :tinfoilhat: :D :tinfoilhat: :D :tinfoilhat: :D :tinfoilhat: :D :tinfoilhat: :D



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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:43 AM
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12. I just knew I could count on you!
Peace Sweet SR! Are you doing okay?

(anarchy's ghost asked me to wish you a happy valentine belatedly and say hi)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:50 AM
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17. LOTS OF BIG HUGS!!!
:hug: anarchy :hug: 1 :hug: 9 :hug: 9 :hug: 9 :hug:



;)


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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:57 AM
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20. Hope to finally meet you in March on the Levee in NO!
Peace and many hugs!

:loveya: & :yourock:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:41 AM
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11. Thread #261
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:43 AM by WilliamPitt
asking us to move on, turn away, never mind. :dilemma:

'K. The reason this is important is because it is an allegory of this entire administration. For the first time, Mr. Undisclosed Location - who has been the architect of most of this administration's mayhem and also the architect of the secrecy and stonewalling around it - is right there in the bright spotlight.

It is not that this story is subsuming all the others. Far from it. This story is coalescing with all the others; it is perhaps the pebble that starts the avalanche.

You really, really think this story somehow serves the administration? Come on, now.

On edit: Also, he shot a guy in the face and tried to cover it up.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:44 AM
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14. I'm not so sure.
I hope you're right, but I'm wary of it, to be honest. We've got a mountain of dead in Iraq, a failing economy, and a constitutional crisis...And I am worried about us looking like the best thing we've got on the Bush administration is the fact that Dick Cheney had a hunting accident.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:05 AM
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25. "the fact that Dick Cheney had a hunting accident." - hmmm
.
.
.


Interesting choice of words . . .

I for one am not convinced it was an "accident"

So I don't consider that a "fact"

my personal experience is with rifles, not handguns

I mostly target shoot, and occasionally I hunt small game.

From the location of the wounds, and the proximity of the shooting

A person shooting a rifle/shotgun, presuming they were aiming by looking over the top of the barrel . . .

Would be staring right into the eyes of the person they shot

Evin if it was a hip/waist shot almost any shooter would at least be looking in the direction they were shooting

Ya gotta remember sumthing -

MOST "hunters" wanna hit what they are shooting at . . .

I think Cheney did

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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:17 AM
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28. Tin Foil ALERT! TIn Foil, need more tin foil! We are running out
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 03:21 AM by Citrene
here deep in the heart of Texas. Too much.

Thanks CC. You said it, I didn't.

C

(I'll bury my own opinion here, I think they had all had a little too much to drink and went hunting, W the attorney wouldn't shut up over several issues, Cheney got mad and well just picture the rest)
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:35 AM
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39. sure then..."hunting incident"
point is, even if what you are saying is true, the bigger picture remains important. If Dick Cheney did intentionally shoot this lawyer, I could tell you strait off it was because of issues related to the spy case, or some other dirty thing. The problem is that we don't know (right now) and the media has decided its an accident...So its good to look into the things we don't know but we've already got a huge mountain of shit on this guy that we do know.
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:45 AM
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40. So okay, where would you like to go with all this?
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 04:47 AM by Citrene
We know all this mountain, now what? What, just what is next?

Oh and by the way, use spell check on occasion, it comes in helpful sometimes, as in straight.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:34 AM
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46. Following through with it, hopefully
I was talking to somebody about the viet nam days. They had a lot LESS scandals with Nixon than we do with Bush. But they were able to follow through on them without getting distracted, which makes a world of difference.

"Oh and by the way, use spell check on occasion, it comes in helpful sometimes, as in straight."

A) No it doesn't come in helpful. Spellcheckers don't catch phonetic typos like "strait and narrow" or "my web sight". B) who cares.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:26 AM
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50. I'm not a hunter
but I have spent time in nature stalking animals with binoculars and cameras. I am prepared to think that the shooter in this case SHOULD have been aware of his surroundings at least to 30 yards in open country. He was an experienced hunter and this sounds like the kind of accident a novice would have. Not saying it was premeditated...just saying that if a person is unusually careless (or impaired) it may indicate subconscious intent. There is enough evidence in my mind to warrant an investigation.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:48 AM
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15. right. the "we'll protect you" admin just shot someone in the face!
perfect demonstration of how the banana republican fetish with security, war or terror, fear-mongering military hardware, etc., is all just so much crap that actually makes us LESS safe.

cheney goes out and gets all manly and hunts with a shotgun and winds up shooting someone in the face. how can he protect the nation when he's a menace even to his friends?
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:50 AM
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18. Will, I love you and hold you in the highest regard. We're missing
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:55 AM by Citrene
it here.

Peace,
Citrene

(I do not believe this story "serves" this admin. I believe they will use it and are. It's a matter of convenience. Journalists are being used as well as John Q Public) "They" did it with Nixon, the same crowd is there, "they" are doing it again. I hope we all are not so gullible this time.)

As in okay, it appears as though Cheney gets to be the sacrificial lamb. "we surrender, we give, he was bad, we'll remove him now. Everyone happy, OKAY, Let's roll!" Stand back and watch out. Once again we will have been pacified, put to sleep, we got to put the "bad guy" away, nothing to see here, everyone go home, crickets chirping...........

TRUST US!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:09 AM
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49. I don't care what the spoolers of scenarios say
The removal of Cheney from power is 100% a good thing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:54 AM
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19. As TDS says, "He Shot A Guy In The Face"!
:P Say it loud and proud!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:03 AM
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23. He shot a guy in the face
and tried to cover it up. We can't say that often enough.

What is wrong with our society that people want to shrug off Shooting A Guy In The FACE!!!
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:10 AM
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26. So Cheney shot a friend, a Bush supporter in the face. The story
is shit, doesn't add up, okay what's new with this crew?

Do any of you honestly believe this is going to take Cheney and his crowd down. I wish yet I sincerely believe it is grasping at straws. If Cheney does go down for this, beware and be watchful. Cheney and the whole bunch should have already gone down for far more.

Don't be fooled and don't go to sleep.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:58 AM
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38. Ahem. He SHOT a guy in the FACE
He didn't break into his opponents campaign headquarters. He didn't talk to the paintings in the White House. He didn't sneak a woman into the White House. He didn't misunderstand how a supermarket scanner works. He didn't rent out the Lincoln Bedroom bedroom. His wife didn't throw a lamp at him. He didn't choke on a pretzel. He didn't call his wife a lump.

He SHOT a guy in the FACE.

There are two kinds of scandals. Policy scandals and personal scandals. This is a personal scandal. It helps tarnish them up and make them vulnerable, so that the policy scandals STICK.

That's why it's important. Now get out there, He SHOT a guy in the FACE and then put an entire conspiracy into place to cover it up.

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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:50 AM
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35. FUNERALGATE! CORPSE DESECRATION KATRINA CHENEYQUIDDICK!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:30 AM
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41. I agree with Will--as to the allegorical importance of the Cheney shooting
story--and also, as to the likelihood of an avalanche, that is, a sudden collapse of this illegitimate, thieving junta, that might be started by something relatively small. And I think many are looking for that pebble that will start it--I think probably many more than a lot of DUers realize. In fact, I think the great majority of Americans are disgusted with these criminals and are also quite bewildered by their hold on power, and are feeling helpless to do anything about it--since most are still ignorant about Diebold and ES&S and all the rest (which not only kept Bush & Co. in power but also gave them a rubber stamp "pod people" Congress)--but are hoping that SOMETHING will bring them down.

Of course, these are mass murderers. They've slaughtered tens of thousands of innocent people, and tortured yet more. And their lies and their greed and their skulduggery are on a scale unimaginable in this country before now. And their treason is without precedent. I think MOST Americans are aware of most of this, but really and truly don't know what to do about it. I find the discussions about "our message" to be misdirection and even tragic*, because it simply doesn't matter how good the Democrats' message is, with rightwing Bushite corporations controlling the vote tabulation. I do think that it is extremely difficult for most Americans to realize just how colossal has been the failure of all of our institutions--including the Democratic Party, our election system, and the news media. A quite planned and strategized failure in most cases--planned and strategized by rightwing billionaires and think tanks and CEOs.

I was describing the election system to someone a few months ago--a very smart individual--and here's what she said, "The Democrats wouldn't let that happen, would they?" She just couldn't absorb the reality that it isn't a question of what the Democrats WOULD do; it is a question of what they DID do. They permitted--or, in some cases, facilitated--the loss of our right to vote.

That, combined with the utter corruption of the corporate news monopolies--and their equally rotten betrayal of our democracy, on election night, 2004, when they FALSIFIED their exit poll numbers (Kerry won) to force the exit polls to "fit" the results of Diebold's and ES&S's secret formulae (Bush won)--is just too much for a lot of people to take in. So they don't understand the MECHANISMS by which the junta has retained power. They DO understand that it is vastly corrupt. But they can't quite grasp what a farce and an illusion our democracy has become, and DON'T understand what needs to be done about it--and so they feel hugely disempowered.

So, when something like this comes along--an evil-smelling personal mishap (the bottom of which we have not yet seen, in my opinion)--it carries with it the hope that "this is it"--like Marie Antoinette's remark "let them eat cake", or Louis XV's, "After us, the deluge." A tipping point. The straw that breaks the camel's back.

Hubris is at work--the arrogance that causes the downfall of the mighty. People can feel it. It is a very deep thing, with ancient roots. And since our presidency has in fact become a monarchy, this ancient spookiness is in play.

A rational mind looks at the present situation and says, why on earth haven't they been impeached yet? Why aren't they in jail? Where is the rule of law? Why aren't the opposing parties and the journalists exposing their crimes and calling for their heads? While we might have some vestiges of the law remaining (i.e., Patrick Fitzgerald), our country really isn't proceeding along rational lines, as Jefferson and Madison had hoped--or not in the main, anyway. Other currents are at work.

All of this is to explain WHY someone like me--who is ever warning others about misdirection and disinformation--can be interested in this degraded affair of Cheney shooting Whittington. It is symbolic of the junta, as Will says. And it may well be a much more sinister event than we realize. (It holds that potential, given all the secrecy and guilty behavior, and signs of a coverup.)

But having said all of this, I have to agree with Citrene and others that what we MAY be seeing is merely the playing out of a fascist scenario to replace Cheney with a "fresh face" as VP, with plans to Diebold that person into the White House in '08. That IS a possibility. It's not an easy situation to read, with all the secrecy. I doubt that the shooting was "arranged" for some purpose like that (although, who knows with these people?), but it may possibly be used opportunistically to remove Cheney, save the Bush regime from total disrepute and disintegration (by blaming everything on Cheney), and set up the installation of the junta's next front person--someone who can take better advantage of all the extraordinary, extralegal executive powers that Bush is setting up. (My guess: possibly Rumsfeld, or, in any case, with Rumsfeld as the new "regent" or real power behind the throne .) The "aspens" likely have some such game plan. But it's hard to know how the Cheney shooting fits in, or might be fit in.

I'm just saying it's a possibility that we're being gamed--that the Cheney shooting is a distraction. We should possibly be making distinctions between what various fascist entities might be doing: Cheney and his friends and supporters; the Bush Cartel; the industrial part of the "military-industrial complex"; the military (its fascist factions/yes men, toadies); the Neo-Con/Israel cabal; the war profiteering corporate news monopolies; the banks and other financial players; the DLC/War Democrats--and so on. I'm not sure they're all on the same page, at this point.

Also, many of us on the left--in addition to underestimating the number of Americans, in general, who are progressive in their views and completely anti-Bush (the polls have confirmed this overwhelmingly, over a long period of time)--may also be underestimating the number of relatively powerful and well-placed Americans (prosecutors, judges, military personnel, intelligence personnel, politicians, investigators, journalists, lawyers, business people, professional groups, wealthy progressives, activist citizens, etc.) who are appalled at the Bush regime, and are working to hamper its activities and to oust it. I think there is also a considerable international movement with the same aim. But I don't know how truly democratic any of this anti-Bush junta activity may be--that is, it may not be aimed at restoring democracy here, but rather has the more limited goal of purging this very bad element (the Bushites) who are destroying the economy and over-reaching on executive power--and are giving the well-off a bad reputation.

In my opinion, election reform is our chief hope for preventing a continuation of this junta, as well as for recovery of our country, and renewal and improvement of our democracy. We simply MUST restore our right to vote--and evict these Bushite corporations from our election system. Without transparent elections, our sovereignty as a people is non-existent. We have no control over our fate.
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:43 AM
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42. You just said it all and well. Peace.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 05:44 AM by Citrene
We live in interesting times.

Citrene

Interesting to note, no one has nominated this thread. Why do we bother?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:05 AM
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24. While Republicans are known for an inability...
... to walk and chew gum at the same time, that's not much of a problem for a lot of people here. :)

One of the advantages of having tens of thousands of people reading and or checking in more or less daily is that someone, somewhere, is going to pass on the current news. Have a look at the LBN page for the day--it's proof that people are paying attention to everything.

Sure, there are lots of jokes and such, but those would be there, anyway (maybe in the Lounge, normally, but still).

What I do find about this is that it's emblematic of this administration. We know Cheney shot someone by accident. But, the ensuing cover-up is, as it is so often, much more intriguing. While there's some amusement to be gained to see the manner of squirming going on, the reason for it may be serious. There's the supposition that Cheney had too much to drink. That fits with the idle noveau riche character of modern Republicans.

But, what fascinates me about this is the degree to which everyone is being very circumspect about the other guests that weekend. Now, this place isn't a $300/weekend dude ranch for the average drugstore cowboy. The people who own it are movers and shakers in their own rights and have been heavyweight Republican operatives for decades. And the one thing that connects them all is money. My question, right now, is: was the hunting incidental to some other purpose for them all getting together that weekend? Was the delay in reporting possibly to do with getting some of the other guests out of the place and on the road, because they didn't want it to be known they were there? Things being discussed around the old fireplace in the evening that they didn't want to get out?

So, no, I don't think it's a distraction, or that other matters will slip past general notice. I hope there's continued interest in it, at least until the entire guest list shows up somewhere.

Another important thing to remember is that current Republicans thrive on the sort of attention that puffs them up and out. They're probably the most self-important crop of gasbags this country has ever produced. Bringing attention to their capacity for stupidity, ridiculing them for their pompousness and phony gravitas, is all to the good. The first problem with government, media, and the public these days is that the general public thinks these goofyfuck Republicans are smart, where, in fact, they are crazy ideologues. Keeping the Cheney story going gives the public a chance to see who and what they really are.

Cheers.
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:13 AM
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27. As always a voice of reason!
Miss you PP and Happy belated VD Day.

Peace,
C
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:45 AM
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31. The Outing, The Shooting It All Adds Up to A VP Who Is Losing It
The VP is not in any condition to carry out the duties of his office.
He is clearly incapacitated, and is a danger to himself and others
(a danger to all life on earth actually).
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:55 AM
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37. Agree 100%. They all need to be removed. Do we stand a chance of
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 04:24 AM by Citrene
making it happen?

I sure like to think so, I'm losing hope.

We had our chance with Iran/Contra and we missed it. You think we can make it happen now?

More pardons, more excuses, Cheney goes away, and so on and so forth.

Not enough of the general population feels enough pain yet to make a change, when the pain is great enough it may be too late. Welcome to Germany 1933. We didn't pay attention to our history and we didn't learn from it.

We (the general public) have been dumbed downed and pacified. Bread and circus. Take away our Freepers beer and sports and watch all hell break loose. Then and only then and it will already be too late.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:47 AM
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32. funeralgate. katrina. nobidcontracts. cheneyquiddick. (nt)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:50 AM
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34. Eh, as non-issues go, it's better than a blond missing in Aruba
at least it focusses attention, and not good attention, on the Administration. Even Conservatives are ragging on the Veep. How could that be bad, I ask you.

However, I agree with some who say that the victim is in much more serious condition than we've been led to believe. And don't forget Al Capone was brought down by an issue that many folks would have considered beside the point in light of his other offenses, namely tax evasion.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:50 AM
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43. Having an affair, shooting a guy in the face with a shotgun all on tax
payers expense is not newsworthy?????????????
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:54 AM
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44. All I can say is thank you all for being here and for your opinions
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 06:20 AM by Citrene
and for your direction. Thank you.

Peace,
C

May truth someday prevail and may we all be richer for it. May we wake up sooner rather than later and can we please stop what is happening in front of us. Probably not, but we have to cling to hope. Without hope we have nothing.

I forgot to say thank you to all those I so respect and whose opinions I hold dear and in high regard. Thank you for showing up in this thread. You are all much beloved always.
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Citrene Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:22 AM
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45. a plain and simple kick to the top for the very early morning crowd.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:49 AM
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53. ROFL!
You're kicking a Darth thread to the top so that folks can read how they should no longer post in Darth threads?

:rofl:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:03 PM
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54. Oh, the irony! nt
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:49 AM
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47. Well a great many of us can and do walk and chew gum at the same time
The Cheney deal is an exploration of hypocrisy in this administration. It is also quite funny in a dark sort of way. But I doubt that there are many of us who are solely fixated on just the Cheney shooting. We're also dealing with the Katrina hearings, the Hackett mess, the domestic spying issue, the renewal of the Patriot Act, and much, much more. Yes, there are lots of threads about the Cheney issue(and congratulations, you've added one more), but that is quite normal when such an attention grabing issue comes up. Doesn't mean that we left off focusing on other issues, just means that we added another issue to focus on.

Give it a chance to die down. If Whittington doesn't die, I imagine that by next week, we'll be back to "normal" whatever that is.
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:55 AM
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48. The Cheney hunting accident
is something even the non political can wrap their heads around. Even my completely non-political wife commented "Why isn't he in jail" when the news showed some of his Faux interview. Most folks can see the hypocrisy of these people and special treatment that is given to this group.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:43 AM
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51. A wake-up call for the MSM and the people?
If Cheney can try and coverup what should have been a simple accident, they may be wondering what else is being covered up in this criminal administration ?

from my red state local paper:

The Virginian-Pilot
February 14, 2006

Vice President Dick Cheneys penchant for secrecy helps define this administration, but its hard to believe that even he thought he could shoot a guy without telling the American people

...snip
Its understandable wrong, but understandable if the vice president wants to keep secret the fact that he asked oil companies to draw up the administrations energy plan. Or if hed prefer that Congress take its oversight responsibility to an undisclosed location and bury it.

But obscuring the fact that the vice president shot a 78-year-old man, even if it wasnt his fault, is not that kind of thing. Theres no separation of powers at stake, no executive privilege. Just a vice president and a shotgun and a victim.

That Dick Cheney and his staff wanted to keep Saturdays incident quiet leaves Americans to wonder what else hes trying to keep secret, and whether the justification he claims is any more substantial than the smoke wafting from the barrel of a freshly fired shotgun.
...snip

http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=99...

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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:47 AM
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52. Thanks for setting us straight.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 08:48 AM by txindy
However, your adding yet another thread to this subject while decrying the number of threads on the same is more than slightly ironic. Way to focus everyone's attention on a new subject. Or not.

I can multitask and work on multiple issues at once. I'm special that way. :eyes:
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:16 PM
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55. I'm feeling more "misdirected" by posters telling me to focus elsewhere.
nm
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:32 PM
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56. It's not an obsession

Out of curiosity I just did some counting and out of the 80 threads on the first page of GD, 25 relate to the Cheney shooting. That's about 30%-- certainly a good deal of interest, but not an obsession.

This incident will probably be a defining moment in Cheney's abysmal vice-presidency. And of course it is an irresistable metaphor for the whole of chimp's administration. And given the official stonewalling it is only natural for people to want to speculate about what really happened.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:37 PM
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57. It's simple: It's about judgment. It's about carelessness.
Forget the gore, the birdshot, the liver, doctors, the commentators...


I wouldn't let the guy handle the remote to my TV after exhibiting such carelessness with a dangerous weapon. He cannot be trusted with a responsibility like being VPOTUS.

"Don't the people of the US deserve a Vice President who HASN'T shot someone in the face with a shotgun?"

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