Collins zapping Chertoff on Katrina hearings--cspan. Tune in if you can

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. we need an official thread for this important hearing.

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2. Collins is reciting the list of Failures as Chertoff gazes on.

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3. said talked of Why was Brown appointed when Chertoof knew his

background. good one.

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Collins did good opening statement.

[helderheid]

4. Damn! So many scandals!!! I am going to switch from Cspan 2 (patriot act)

to this - thanks! K & R

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5. Leiberman saying it is the LAW that DHS will LEAD to keep people safe

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6. love it that they are showing split screen of all the damage.

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7. they are asking WHY the Nat. Defense Plan was NOT put into effect

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8. saying we knew this was the 'long feared levy break"--WE KNEW ye

yet you did not respond!! He is cracking it to Chertoff.

[helderheid]

10. I am streaming online - is it Obey?

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9. Collins is swearing Chertoff in. GRAND

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11. Liebernam asked whey DHS was out to lunch (paraphasing)

[helderheid]

12. c-span 1??

[rodeodance]

14. oops sorry, it is CNN. so sorry.

[helderheid]

17. OOOOOOOOOOOOhkay. I thought I had lost my mind.

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18. Cheroff NOT answering:Lieb. asked why he did not go down to Gulf

to set up command post earlier--like before the hurricane happened when we knew it was coming.

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13. here it comes. canned responsed from C.--'unpresedented hurricane"

[helderheid]

15. are we watching the same thing?

[napi21]

16. I found this on CNN but not cspan. Checked their site and it's not

listed on 1, 2 or 3. Where are you watching this?

[rodeodance]

20. I am watching CNN (sorry for confusion as i earlier said cpan)

[Twist_U_Up]

19. WTHell CNN ???

They got something up they're sleeve. Will they bring up the ship that sat empty just offshore ?

Will they ask about trucks full of supplies that were turned away ?

Lets see if jerkoff makes another early departure.

[rodeodance]

21. Collins is not pleased with Chertoff response by the look on her face.

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22. guess the Nat. Response Plan did not work mr. chertoff!

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23. Chertoff is a lot of 'managerial talk' charm.

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25. Chertoff saying he delagated his boys to go to Gulf Coast.

[napi21]

28. Yet again, it's everybody elses fault, NOT ME!!!!

I'm no expert in any of this, and I depended on the others who are to handle it!!!!

BS BS BS BS BS

[rodeodance]

30. well, he is the manager you know.

[napi21]

31. Yea, and a pi** poor one of those too! n/t

[napi21]

24. I want to hear the questions and see how Mike dances! I don't care

about his "prepared remarks"!

[rodeodance]

26. both Lieberman and Collins asked lots of pointed questions during their

opening statements.

[rodeodance]

27. well, I think he will just repeat his canned responses even for specific

questions by committee members.

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29. chertoff basically reciting all the good things he did on Sunday. ugga

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32. now he is whinning about how the big department was new and needed

lots of work to do when he came.

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33. said he wants the American public to know that (got it folks?)

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35. good gawd--get on with it Chertoff!

[napi21]

34. And he planned to make those changes beginning October 1st! n/t

[rodeodance]

36. goverment is slow to enact changes he wanted is what is saying.

[napi21]

37. So will that same Pub who beat up on Brown do the same to Mike?

I can't remember his name, but it starts with a C and he kept telling Brown it was FAILED LEADERSHIP!

[rodeodance]

67. not yet.

[Neil Lisst]

38. How can you trust the judgment of a man who has a 'stache like that?!

And when you add in those eyebrows cut back to an inch each!!

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39. a protestor is children and mothers ignored -was going to be removed

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40. but Lieberman said he could stay if he was quiet.

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42. I see he is wearing a big button (others are also in the audiance)

[napi21]

41. I'm glad Collins and Liberman said "You can stay if you wish!"

Somebody has to control those Capital Cops!

[rodeodance]

44. Chertoff: "astonishing" that brown deliberately bypassed him.

[Blue Diadem]

48. He was still removed though wasn't he?

I thought it was nice they said he could stay but I wonder who has more authority? I also thought it was nice that Collins said he could speak with members of their staff if he wished, to see if they could help with something specific.

[0007]

43. If I ever owned a funeral home, Michael Chertoff would be my choice

as a shill.

Seriously though, this is just a way for the White House to escape further blame. Chertoff is the fall guy now, cuz Brownie said so!

[rodeodance]

45. yes, someone on DU had a carniture of him: cryptooff

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46. chertoff blaming Brown now--If he had known now about Browns agenda

he would have done something differently says Chertoff.

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47. Collins going after Chertoff--saying he was "disengaged" on TUESDAY

after landfall---

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49. as an exp. she says C. goes to Atlanta for conference!! did not cancel

his appearance.

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51. C. is beating around the bush-He does NOT recognize he was out of

touch with what was going on.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

55. Chertoff did not care, and still doesn't care.

[rodeodance]

58. i think Collins is onto that!

[melbel8301]

50. It's on Cspan1 now! n/t

[rodeodance]

53. C. is ducking responsiblilty--He had not turned on the TV yet

[napi21]

54. Terrific! I just switched! CNN breaks in too often! n/t

[Atman]

52. He was let off the hook re: "Why did you hire Brownie?"

This is a fundamental question, and leads directly to the overall problem within the Bush administration of rampant cronyism. Why was this man, with virtually NO EXPERIENCE, placed in such a critical role. I don't remember Chertoff actually providing an answer.

[rodeodance]

56. good gawd-He says he was concerned about 'NOT getting in operators

hair" down in the Coast. my gawd--what a lame excuse.

[rodeodance]

57. I just can't believe what I am hearing. my gawd.

[rodeodance]

59. Collins said ealier--you only had to turn on your TV to know what was

going on. yet C. just rags on and on

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60. lieberman saying DHS is principle agency for domestic security

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61. saying Fema was now under DHS--'your deferred to others"

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62. lots of talk of how Chertoff accepts responsibility. All talk!

[rodeodance]

63. chertoff does not get it==Panal talks of being prepared and C. talks

of putting ice in place.

[rodeodance]

64. Chertoff kepts saying he was aware and yet examples show his

head and body were elsewhere.

[napi21]

66. Leiberman is actually doing a pretty good job listing all the things

C DIDN'T do! SURPRISE!!!

[rodeodance]

69. yes, he is going good.

[pimpbot]

68. Oh jeez CNN just turned from the hearings to bush speech

Of course they went to it right as he was telling some lame ass joke about how Dublin ohio is not in europe and how his pilot is a dumbass.

Flip to CSPAN1 for real coverage.

[napi21]

71. Switch to cspan1. They don't interrupt! n/t

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

65. Just Talk~

The guy doesn't have any emotion for what happened in NO.

[rodeodance]

70. ~~I qustion that e-motion!!!~~~

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

72. Wonder if that Warner fella is there

To push for military takeovers in such events.

[flyarm]

73. yes he is...warner wants military to take over!! he is scum! n/t

[egadsbrain]

74. "When I went to bed that night...!?!"

Guess he needed his beauty sleep. (:sarcasm:)
Now I'm only one of the "little guys," but I was up most of the night worrying and watching the news before landfall.

[flyarm]

75. fire all the fuckers and bring back James Lee Witt!! these are all

fuckers that are setting this country up for marshall law!

fly

[flyarm]

77. it was a new plan and had never been used before...well fucker

your plan was a fucking disaster that killed 4000 people +

and what fucker did you do to the carreer fema people..you know you little fucker ....the ones who worked for fema when it worked!!!!!!!!!!

i hate these sob's..their plan was to put this nation into marshall law and destroy states rights...

that was and is their plan!

fly

[Wordie]

76. thanks, rodeodance! RECOMMEND this thread, everybody, so all DU

will know about this important hearing.

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

78. Dayton MN up

[flyarm]

80. ohhh noooo dayton!!!!!! turn over to military..national guard..nooooo!!

thats what these neo cons want......no Dayton!!!!!!!!!

fly

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

81. That was surprising!

Over the top. Says maybe we just use the National Guard while we scrap FEMA. Then rework Fema to something that works.

[Catchawave]

79. Wow, this is a great hearing...thanks rodeo for starting a thread!

[FormerRepublican]

82. Chertoff dances around and fails to answer questions about Halliburton...

...being given all the contracts after Katrina and failing to perform under the contracts.

Chertoff talks - blah, blah, blah, blah - says nothing and answers no questions. Total stonewall.

[napi21]

83. UH OH! Here's Coleman! Wonder if he'll treat C like he treated

Brown???

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

84. Coleman up MN

Will he rip Chertoff like he did Brownie?

[Wordie]

85. Coleman up now...asking about Brownies contention that

FEMA was bound to fail, due to structural problems and how he said that FEMA should be taken out from under DHS.

Chertoff answering with just a few isolated examples of how DHS responded.

[napi21]

86. Mobile homes was a bad idea. We will make sure they're stored properly,

and use them for other purposes. WHAT!!!!!!

What in the hell are they going to use that many mobile homes for?????

[Wordie]

87. Chertoff is a slippery one, isn't he? I hope that the Dems follow up on

some of these wiggly answers.

[napi21]

89. Bennett of Utah is being awfully kind to C, isn't he?

Said he thinks after his baptism by fire in this job, there's probably nobody else on the planet better suited to do it!

AARRGGGG

[Wordie]

88. It's getting about time to start a new, and official, thread.

Check your inbox, rodeodance. I kinda set one up for you...

[napi21]

90. I agree. Just let us know where it is.

[Wordie]

91. I'm checking with Viva, to see if she wants to.

If not, I'll give it a try...it may take a minute or two...

[Wordie]

92. New thread up now...

***OFFICIAL Katrina Hearings: Chertoff testimony Thread, Part 2***
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x429588

Please recommend it so everyone will see it...