Remember when VOINOVICH cried on the Senate floor

[in_cog_ni_to]

when standing up against the Bolton nomination, but ended up voting for Bolton? Randi is making a GREAT point about him PROBABLY being spied on and he was threatened by the information this administration has on him. Sounds about right to me! I don't doubt for one minute that's what happened. I'll bet you ANYTHING they have garbage on EVERY member for Congress for blackmail purposes to get what they want. Voinovich was NOT going to vote for Bolton when he was in the Senate committee meeting, but on the floor, crying, he had changed his mind. NOW we know why.

[roguevalley]

1. without saying, I agree. 650 million phone calls and emails a month

with cue words to grab communications on computers, it is a given. you gotta hand it to the ones who HAVE stood up anyway. took guts.

[Hello_Kitty]

2. Why was it so important to step up the wiretaps in 2004?

So much so that they tried to get Ashcroft to approve it from a hospital bed. They expect us to believe it was to go after Al Qaeda?

Yah, and I got a bridge to sell ya...:eyes:

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. She's playing the audio of Voinovich crying! SO DAMN SAD!

:cry:

[txindy]

3. You know, that makes perfect sense. His actions made none, at the time.

He was dead-set against Bolton and then voted for him. :shrug: I joked that they must have something on him, but that was before we found out about the illegal domestic spying. That is EXACTLY what KKKarl would do, too.

[LSK]

Randi is playing it right now!

[KittyWampus]

4. Incog, who was that Republican Dentist or Doctor that ended up crying

after leaving a meeting at the WH... about the Medicare bill?

Do you remember?

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. OKlahoma Senator Tom Coburn? He was SOBBING

about something. Can't remember what, but is WAS Tom Coburn.

On edit...I saw Tom Coburn crying during a Senate hearing, not when leaving the WH. That must not be who you're thinking of. Let me think. :)

[TheFarseer]

15. I heard him talking the other day

He said it only benefited 1 in 15 seniors and big pharma companies. Everyone else was getting screwed. I wonder if he voted for it anyway?

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. Was he the one who was crying as he left the WH?

Do you know?

[TheFarseer]

29. I couldn't say

never heard about that one.

[Catherine Vincent]

6. Could be.

They couldn't black mail with Gannon, so they had to find other means.

[Nimrod2005]

7. ROFL....This is great stuff right here, hard to believe but may be

there is something there...Makes me laugh.

[WCGreen]

8. Naw, this is Voinovich's standard operating mode...

Come out against an issue or person when the publicity is going to show him as an independent person and then go with the flow when push comes to shove...

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Does he cry on National TV about it though?

His change of vote may be par for the course, but crying on the Senate floor AFTER he was so ADAMANT about not voting for Bolton, is a different thing, IMCPO. :hi:

[Dr.Phool]

18. Not the first time

After he was first elected Gov. of Ohio, and passed all of his tax cuts.

When it came time to cut funding for welfare, medicaid, job training etc., He was bawling when he said "Thyere just isn't any money, boo hoo".

Phony asshole.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Ahhhh. One of those that can cry at the drop of a hat, eh?

sheesh.

[WCGreen]

24. Jesus the man cries at the drop of a hat....

I know GV.... I watched his whole sorry carreer.... County Auditor to Lt. Gov to Mayor of Cleveland and then Gov....

He is just a piece of shit who means well but has no fucking backbone....

[TNOE]

10. I agree

and I tell you right now - if the media runs any story about any Dem being a closet homosexual or had affairs, whatever - I'm going to say "so what - we're not the Taliban Right" and we don't care. That shit only works with the holier than thou crowd anyway. Let the Dems stand up - and let them try and smear them - I say SO WHAT - if the Repubs got a pass on Jeff Gannon - any Dem gets a pass with me too - I don't care how many affairs they were having or with whom.

[TheFarseer]

11. I'm not convinced

He had to vote to get him out of committee. That vote was right when they were making such a stink about an "up or down vote" How could he block this nomination and then bitch about "up or down votes" the next day? He was probably hoping the nomination would get voted down. NOt a good reason IMO but that was probably the reasoning.

[stop the bleeding]

12. she is doing a great job, see you guys for a few hours gotta go train

I will make it for KO!!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Though I Can Agree With The Sentiment, The Conlusion Itself Is Way Off

Nobody voted for Bolton, as he was a recess appointment.

Not that my intent is to defend voinovich (I could care less about him), but he voted for cloture. He was firm on the notion that when the vote made it to the floor he would vote against him. He did however state that he still deserved to be brought to the floor for a vote. I see no reason Whatsoever to believe for a second that he did that due to threats. No reason at all. He did it because that is the repub meme that they deserve an up or down vote blah blah. But he would've voted against them.

Randi's dead wrong on this one.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Why was he crying?

Any ideas? There has to be a reason and blackmail, in light of the NSA story, seems feasible to me.

[seafan]

16. I would wager that both houses of Congress have been bugged.

Thanks to new info in this thread below by AntiFascist:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x41979

Abramoff is involved in these reports of a foreign wireless company which was hired to wire the U. S. House for wireless cell phone service, in spite of the fact that the contract could have easily been handled by American companies. There was a noted probability of a "back door" mechanism for eavesdropping built into the system. Sounds like a system ripe for blackmail against Congresspeople.

This same wireless company was hired to wire the Ft. Lauderdale International Airport.


We already know of the bugging of the UN Security Council members' home phones/business phones/ faxes, when the * administration wanted to know how they might vote in the authorization to intervene in Iraq. When * could only rustle up 4 or so votes when he needed 9 out of 15 members, he decided to circumvent this second attempt at UN authorization and stampede into Iraq on his own.

These pieces are coming together. Frighteningly.


Voinovich perhaps was reacting to blackmail when he changed his "No" vote on Bolton for UN Ambassador to "Yes".


What is happening here is beyond the breadth of my imagination.

[in_cog_ni_to]

19. OMG...I didn't see that thread. Holy CRAP.

Their tentacles are everywhere I fear. :scared:

[txindy]

22. Yep, I was in another thread speculating that same thing. Blackmail

Congress was bugged. That, along with the illegal domestic spying, gives KKKarl and his thugs a lot of material to use to influence votes.

[notadmblnd]

23. I've always just assumed that was their standard SOP

who they can't buy with cash, they blackmail. Of course they were bugged, and thats a PROMIS.

[NNN0LHI]

25. Nader was told to run in 2004 after they got something personal on him too

That is my guess.

Don

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Really? Nader doesn't strike me as the type who can be bribed, but

then again, I never thought I'd see the day that Clinton and the Bush family would be friends either. Shit happens.

[txindy]

28. If they had something on Nader, it would be blackmail, not bribery.

And, no, he doesn't strike me as the type who would fold under that, either. He ran for the attention and the public exposure. Such as it was.

[zann725]

27. And remember how frightened Durbin looked and sounded when he oddly

and suddenly "apologized" for his comparing Abu Gharib techniques to Nazi torture.

Durbin, who usually is gutsy, and forthright...obviously appeared to have been threatened, and frightened SERIOUSLY before that apology.

'Speaking the Truth to authority' DOES appear to have SERIOUS consequences under this Admin.