MSNBC scrubs "beer or two" comment from its story...

[Junkdrawer]

This Google News search clearly catches the comment...

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=%22beer%20or%20two%20in%20there%22

But now, the story is clean of ANY beer reference...

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11349649/


Anyone have it in their cache?

[CottonBear]

1. Someone posted the story & the link on DU. n/t

[BrotherBuzz]

4. DU link to original story

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=419433&mesg_id=419433

[Scout1071]

9. Somebody capture it now! nt

[BrotherBuzz]

12. This Google cache may be all that's left from the memory meat grinder

http://news.google.com/news?hs=VWT&hl=en&lr=&c&q=%22there%20may%20be%20a%20beer%20or%20two%20in%20there%22&btnG=Search&sa=N&tab=wn

[Scout1071]

18. Sons of bitches!

I see that somebody already grabbed this thread and posted at DKos.

[BrotherBuzz]

23. LOL, at leats one of the internets doing its job

;)

[LeftNYC]

2. Sorta like the Andrea Mitchell question

about whether the govt tapped Amanpour's phone to James Risen...that disappeared too

[hootinholler]

40. Yeah, I remember that.

I didn't really expect them to answer.

-Hoot

[rodeodance]

51. and not to be heard of again

[Cooley Hurd]

3. damn... that's pretty blatant.

Pretty-mich convinces me that booze WAS a factor in this, since they're going to such lengths to censor news stories. Hope someone has the un-redacted version...

[Junkdrawer]

7. Ye shall know them by their scrubs...

A cover-up of a cover-up

:rofl:

[txindy]

29. Whoot!

"Ye shall know them by their scrubs..."

:rofl:

[hootinholler]

43. Yeah Verily!

Pediatrics shall wear bright colors.
ER shall wear dark ones which hide blood better.
Surgery will be based in the light green tradition.

What's that?

OH!

Nevermind.

-Hoot

[kayice]

11. So birds, broads and booze..........irresponsible Dick.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

5. God Bless You People

I swear, you nitpicking, probing, detail minded DUers are so wonderful.

How dare you use the wonders of technology to catch the msm playing games and changing stories. Why can't you just accept the edited and revised version of garbage they put out, instead of trying to find details in the stories which were expunged.

I swear, you're making it difficult for the msm to maintain these coverups, and you're probably helping the terrorists to win. Shame on you.

<sarcasm off>

[tanyev]

6. God Bless DU and the internets.

[fiveleafclover]

8. Yes indeed, bless the internets!

Each and every one! And Poland too!

Of all the stupid things Bush has said, the "internets" comment is still one of my favorites.

[INdemo]

10. It obvious Cheney broke the law

Why call and report this to newspaper..Why not report it to the law enforcement officials first..Ya like you or I could get by with this
Its obvious he was probably drunk, not to report this for 24 hours Suppose a Democrat could get away with this?

[seafan]

13. Cache scrubbed too: Updated: 6:07 p.m. ET Feb. 14, 2006

[helderheid]

14. I still show it?

:shrug:

[Junkdrawer]

19. If you see in in the full MSNBC story (not the Google cache)...

then press the Alt and the "Print screen" button at the same time.

Then open Word, or Paint and press Ctrl+C and save it. Later someone can tell you how to post it at PhotoBucket.com

[usregimechange]

24. Do we have it yet?

[helderheid]

26. unfortunately I only have the google cache

[usregimechange]

27. Would a capture of that do us any good?

[Junkdrawer]

28. I have the Google hit saved (just in case)... n/t

[usregimechange]

33. I want whatever you guys have. This is crazy! Almost always

you can track it down.

[f-bush]

59. thank you

I would suggest that you get it printed into a hard copy and mail one copy to yourself and not open it!

[0007]

71. Good work!

[BuyingThyme]

15. Well, it's officially a cover-up.

No need to speculate anymore.

[JohnnyCougar]

16. I just blogged about this....

http://robola.wordpress.com/

Someone get a screen shot of the google page.

[helderheid]

21. I have it - edited to post it

[renate]

17. I'm really glad that MSNBC got busted doing this

However, my first thought was that they scrubbed that quote because they were worried about Cheney suing them for libel. Whether they took out the beer reference because the WH ordered them to or because their own in-house lawyers advised them to, we'll probably never know, but I don't think it's necessarily evidence that MSNBC is aiding and abetting the WH.

Or, of course, maybe it is. :shrug:

[wordpix]

92. 'Cheney suing for libel:" m$m can't be sued when they're quoting a source

like $160K-paid lobbyist Ms. Arm$trong.

[malaise]

20. What I want to know is

how come the doctors at the press conference said he had such a healthy heart and Armstrong said this:

"Armstrong said she saw Cheney’s security detail running toward the scene. "The first thing that crossed my mind was he had a heart problem," she told The Associated Press". from that MSNBC link.

[arikara]

25. She was probably meaning Darth's heart

n/t

[malaise]

30. That seems too obvious

and the security detail were running towards Whittington
.........
she saw Cheney’s security detail running toward the scene. "The first thing that crossed my mind was he had a heart problem," she told The Associated Press". from that MSNBC link.

Very strange.

[Lucille]

36. She witnessed the shooting. But she thought he had a heart attack?

That no make no sense.

First Armstrong says she witnessed the shooting, saw Willington go back for the bird, and then approach from the rear without announcing himself. She describes how Willington is "peppered." Then she says when the SS came running in she thougt he had a heart attack. Now why would she think that when she just saw him get shot?

[bettyellen]

38. she said how the shooting happened, but is careful never to say she saw it

herself.
she's repeating the story they decided upon at dinner that night, if people get the idea she saw it, well, all the better, right?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

78. According to Washington Post she saw what happened

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/12/AR2006021200524.html

According to Armstrong's account, she was watching from a car while Cheney, Whittington and another hunter got out of the vehicle to shoot at a covey of quail. Whittington shot a bird and as he went to retrieve it, Cheney and the third hunter discovered a second covey.

Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong said, according to the Associated Press.

[ClintonTyree]

84. So, this bunch of idiots were driving around in cars..........

with loaded shotguns (another big no-no), in all likelihood under the influence of alcohol, cruising around until they could find a covey of tame, pen raised Quail, they get out of the car and start shooting. One guy actually shoots a Quail and after retrieving it heads back toward the group. Cheney then thinks he hears some bird noises, turns and fires without first acquiring a target and shoots the guy behind him in the face. :wow: This is not hunting, this is the adult equivalent of teenagers cow tipping or doing some other equally stupid juvenile behavior.

People are spending too much time discussing the suspected alcohol aspect of this incident. What we should be discussing is the relationship between Cheney and his Swiss Miss companion, MRS. WILLEFORD! I wonder if Lynn knew swinging dick was spending an overnight "hunting" trip with her? I'm inclined to believe, not. This was supposed to be a "boy's night out", male bonding :eyes: excursion and I bet Lynn was as blind sided about this as Whittington was.

Remember people, SEX is all people care about. They could give a crap is Cheney was drunk, but if he was schtupping someone else's wife on a supposed "hunting" trip, well THAT my friends might finally be enough to enrage his very religious, conservative, mindless backers. The pursuit of this story would be the real nail in Darth Cheney's coffin. I hope some young, bright journalist with stars in his/her eyes has the guts to investigate Cheney's involvement with Mrs. Willeford because I think that's where the REAL story lies!

[bettyellen]

94. looking back, her versions vary a bit.....

some make it sound like she saw, others that ahe couldn't have. same with her conversations about going to the press.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

67. She didn't witness shit, she just told the "party line" story. If a REAL

interested detective interrogated all these people their stories would probably fall apart like a pack of cards, but unfortunately we'll never see it.

Even with a full day head start, their story stinks.

[Vanje]

64. There goes the "Ms Armstrong witnessed the whole thing", lie.

If she saw the medicos and concluded that Cheneys heart was the reason for the panic,...well, she must not have seen Cheney shoot the man.

[KyndCulture]

22. I posted that story on Randi's board with the quote...

I don't have it in my cache tho..

http://forums.therandirhodesshow.com/index.php?showtopic=79416&st=0&p=760598&#entry760598

Here's the orignal paragraph :

Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident. She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."

[Peanutcat]

31. ?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=419433&mesg_id=419433

Edit: I'm still looking. I've been going back and forth from my desktop to my laptop, so it'll take awhile to find something more.

[EarlG]

32. For posterity...

Here's a screengrab of the Google cache:

[usregimechange]

34. Thanks Earl, saving that too just in case.

[CottonBear]

77. Thanks EarlG! Y'all ROCK! n/t

[chat_noir]

35. screen cap for posterity

[JohnnyCougar]

37. May I have permission to post this on my blog?

[usregimechange]

39. kick

[usregimechange]

41. Posted it on a forum.

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewtopic.php?t=337631

[Junkdrawer]

42. Tip o' the hat to JohnnyCougar who discovered the scrub first...

Here's where he noticed the scrub:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=419433&mesg_id=420232

Shameless plug for his blog:

http://robola.wordpress.com/

[JohnnyCougar]

82. Thanks so much!!

If i had enough money to eat, I'd give you a heart!

[usregimechange]

44. My screen capture... includes my e-mail for further posterity

[Stevendsmith]

45. K&R!!!

[usregimechange]

46. kick

[henslee]

47. Great, now Olberman can bust his own company for BS.

[rodeodance]

50. Keith did not mention alcohal on his segment tonight on Cheney hunt.

[rodeodance]

48. here is one

http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=%22beer%20or%20two%20in%20there%22


Cheney's hunting host lobbied White House
MSNBC - 1 hour ago
... the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting.". Armstrong ...

New! Get the latest news on beer-or-two-in-there with Google Alerts.

[rodeodance]

49. k and r.

[David Zephyr]

52. K&R

:kick:

[lonestarnot]

53. last night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=408016&mesg_id=408016

and leftie hit it on the head tonight, a scene written for brokeback mountain. So much for a DICK rebuff egh.

[bluemarkers]

54. I copied the paragraph

Armstrong also told NBC News that she does not believe alcohol was involved in the accident. She says she believes no one that day was drinking, although she says there may have been beer available during a picnic lunch that preceded the incident. "There may be a beer or two in there," she said, "but remember not everyone in the party was shooting."



and my thinking was a case or two

The other people in the party were on duty! Secret Service and medical personnel and the ranch hands. They were not drinking. So who is left? The hostess with the mostest, the other women in the party, and two men. HEY HEY HEY we might be getting to the sex part.... Lynne was NOT a member of the party?

yuck

interesting side note, I have had internet connection issues ever since googling bird shot.... my husband has had no problems and he sits right beside me.... eeerrrrr

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

55. This means the quote touched a nerve, a BIG NERVE

For MSNBC to remove a factual quote from an article relating to reasons that might explain the Vice President's delay in reporting the shooting incident means to me that the White House must have gotten their nose out of joint. These few words relating to a "beer or two" are not part of an editorial opinion. The story's writer didn't offer the opinion that alcohol consumption contributed to the hunting accident. The words were merely a direct quote from an individual who witnessed the events on that week-end. For MSNBC to go to the trouble of scrubbing all reference to this quote regarding alcohol consumption means that Dick has something to hide. Otherwise, if he did nothing wrong, why go to the trouble of getting this scrubbed?

[Junkdrawer]

57. One wonders if the authorities were told that there was NO alcohol...

served on the ranch that day.

The quote was that there a little alcohol there, but the "shooters" were dry. I guess Armstrong was trying to paint an innocent-but-believable story. But I guess ANY mention of the presence of beer was too much.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

62. It was a party of four, right?

Have we conclusively ruled out the two female companions as "shooters"? Do we even know if they hunted, too, and whether they brought along shotguns? If the two women DID participate in hunting, then why would there be beer in a picnic basket if it wasn't intended to be consumed? If the women DIDN'T hunt, is it really realistic to think that only the two women are going to be having beers while the two male "shooters" watch them drink at lunchtime? If people intend to go hunting "dry", they don't bring beer with them for lunch, as it's always a temptation to have one or two.

[Babel_17]

65. "Bingo", imo

Additionally, talk of alcohol in regards to this shooting/potential homicide brings in to sharp focus the question of the behavior of law enforcement officials, including the Secret Service.

I'm continually amazed that no one, afaik, in the press has asked any of the spokespeople if there were any tests done on Willington that would indicate the presence or absence of alcohol in his blood.

What obligation do the doctor's have to disclose this info to law enforcement?

Is law enforcement permitted to ask? If so, did they?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

72. Look at ANOTHER interesting quote from Armstrong

It's here at this DU thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x423196

Armstrong was quoted as saying she remained in the car while THREE hunters were out shooting quail. This would imply, I suppose, that the female Swiss Ambassador was hunting quail. She specifically mentions a "Third Hunter". If there were three hunters in a party of four, then why the beer? Was it for Armstrong herself? She was going to be having beers while the other three watched her drink it? I don't get it. Something here is weird.

[usregimechange]

69. Yep.

[drm604]

56. Maybe MSNBC needs to get some faxes and phone calls

asking them why they scrubbed that quote from the website. They need to know that they've been caught and there's proof. Not proof that Cheney was drinking (well, not absolute proof), but proof that they scrub their stories of inconvenient facts after the fact. Who knows what they scrub before the fact?

[johnnyrocket]

58. This stinks to high heaven! Who the fuck is controlling

...these media centers? This is god-dammed nazi strong-arming actual news facts, unfuckingbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lovuian]

60. I bet they did but Americans aren't stupid

Hunting= Booze...

[threadkillaz]

81. Yes, that is their problem.

Red State America understands real well how bad a mistake was made. They hunt.

And the more the Press says stuff like "very stable" and "peppered", it will only get worse.

They will realize they are being played too.

Tough situation for the right.

[WestMichRad]

61. An admission of guilt

A law officer who hears a driver say something to the effect of "...had one or two..." knows the driver had just admitted to driving while drinking - at that point it's only a question of how many, and it's time to determine sobriety. Obviously we'll never know since the Secret Service kept local law enforcement away from him, but it certainly was highly suspicious behaviour.

One other thing - wasn't there a third person in the hunting party? Who was it?

Can you say "witness"?

Worst. Administration. Ever.

[johnnyrocket]

63. MSNBC needs to be confronted on this, its glaringly

obvious they are covering up for the Bushies...what the hell!!

[pa28]

66. Sad that it's come to this.

We need to scramble around and make copies of stories before it disappears down the memory hole. Tomorrow Armstrong will be denying she ever said this.

The media fails us yet again.

[Nothing Without Hope]

68. Blatant - it makes me even more suspicious about alcohol being

involved. My major suspicion comes from the many hours' delay in Cheney speaking to a law enforcement agency. Plenty of time to delay taking a breathalyzer test.

I'll update the compilation threads in the GD and Research Forum (see links in my sig line) shortly.

[SPKrazy]

70. I E-Mailed MSRNC About This

had the google link
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=There%20may%20be%20a%20beer%20or%20two%20in%20there%20cheney&sa=N&tab=in

asked them why is was scrubbed

I don't really expect a response, but who knows

[w8liftinglady]

86. me,too-also media matters

[Junkdrawer]

73. A FIRST TIME POSTER FOUND THE SCREEN SHOT:

The Post was here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=419433&mesg_id=423419

Kudos to HsiKang

[PhilipShore]

74. Yes, that is the original story

[helderheid]

75. YESSSS!!! Someone send that to:

[email protected]

and Keith Olbermann and Malloy and Randi Rhodes!! And Jon Stewert and Bill Maher! EXCELLENT FIND!!

[helderheid]

76. self delete

[Junkdrawer]

88. PLEASE MIRROR THIS IMAGE...

HsiKang's image has hit the bandwidth image and my mirror may follow shortly...

In IE6, if you right-click on the image, you can copy it. Then go to Paint (or any graphics program) paste it and then save it to a file. After that, go to http://www.photobucket.com and open an account...

[orleans]

79. email msnbc & let them know you know

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10285339/

[savemefromdumbya]

80. Scaredy cats

[PhilipShore]

83. Raw Story: 'Beer quote' pulled from MSNBC Cheney hunting party article

Raw Story
'Beer quote' pulled from MSNBC Cheney hunting party article
February 15, 2006

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Beer_quote_pulled_from_MSNBC_Cheney_0215.html

An article at MSNBC's Website was edited to remove references to alcohol, that may have been available at a picnic, which preceded the accidental shooting of a 78-year-old lawyer by Vice President Cheney last Saturday, RAW STORY has learned.

The change to the article was quickly noticed by a number of liberal bloggers, and their readers, many of whom have been following this much discussed story very closely for the last few days.

In the article, credited to Aram Roston and the NBC Investigative Unit, Katherine Armstrong, a member of the family who own the ranch, revealed new details about her lobbying for the Bush Administration, and about circumstances surrounding the incident itself, which wasn't reported to the media until the following morning. Armstrong was the one who reported the news to a local news reporter, and she said that Cheney agreed with the decision.

The following paragraph was removed for unexplained reasons from the article sometime after it first was published on the Internet:

[mikeytherat]

85. Check the video from The Daily Show at Crooks and Liars

Right near the beginning, there's a great shot of the sign at Armstrong's ranch stating, clearly, No Alcohol or Illegal Drugs. When she admitted alcohol was present, that was a BIG f**k up.

BIG.

Someone needs to get a still of this frame ASAP!

Got it! Here's a screen grab of the sign:



mikey_the_rat

[mikeytherat]

87. Kick for the screengrab I got!

kick for photo above!

mikey_the_rat

[Junkdrawer]

90. Anyone want to bet she told the cops: "Honest officer, we don't...

allow alcohol on the ranch AT ALL. It's right on our sign."?

[drm604]

89. Kick.

:kick:

[topher.davis]

91. I've got the original page saved

I had to come back to work this morning to get it. I've never posted, so I'm not sure how to upload the zip file.

[PhilipShore]

93. Re: I've got the original page saved (of entire story?)

Upload it to a -- free Image hosting website -- such as http://photobucket.com/

The Html reference manual -- for Democratic Underground says to use this, HTML language, to upload it to Democratic Underground.

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