THIS is how Suicide Bombers are being born in Iraq!

[Terran1212]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/08/AR2006020802175.html?nav=rss_world

State Department Contractors Kill 2 Civilians in N. Iraq

BAGHDAD, Feb. 8 -- Private security workers under contract with the State Department shot and killed two Iraqi civilians Tuesday in the restive northern city of Kirkuk, police, U.S. officials and relatives of the dead said Wednesday.


...

"We don't want any compensation from the Americans," said Nadir's brother, Nidham. "I swear to God that I will take revenge for my brother, even if I have to blow up myself for my brother whom they killed. He was a simple man who lived on the taxi income and was the breadwinner of his five-member family."

"They did not even stop to take him to the hospital," Nidham added. "This is their new democracy, and this is the freedom they brought."

"They hate the Muslims and feel that every Muslim is a terrorist," said Nadir's sister, Razqiya, 34. "We know very well that they do not respect the Iraqi people."


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But of course the Muslims are just an inhuman, animal people that burn embassies over cartoons. They are not worthy of recourse or discussion; they are just shot down and then berated for their complaints.

/MSM

[FightingIrish]

1. How many more people want to kill us today

than did 5 years ago? That would be an interesting statistic if it could be tracked.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. Well, he knows Republicans, because I've heard the very same

thing from their mouths:

"They hate the Muslims and feel that every Muslim is a terrorist," said Nadir's sister, Razqiya, 34. "We know very well that they do not respect the Iraqi people."

[FreedomAngel82]

13. Do they watch fox??

:shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. I think we can assume that Bush has lost the battle for their hearts and

minds.

[Botany]

3. What are we doing?

We just keep digging the hole deeper & deeper.

This is just too sad.

[Nutmegger]

4. "Safer now than five years ago" argument

is just plain bull. Bush Inc has created more violence in the world today and more animosity.

For what? What was it for? It was a war choice; I don't know how these thugs sleep at night.

[malaise]

7. Someone better tell Karen Hughes

about this: "This is their new democracy, and this is the freedom they brought."

[Wilms]

5. Kirkuk is "restive"?

I thought they had the north passified.

[Just Me]

6. Uh

:cry:

[arcane1]

8. "Contractors" my ASS... the doublespeak never fails to astound me

they are FUCKING MERCENARIES, GODAMMIT!!!!!

[Catrina]

10. They can't say 'mercenaries' because it is illegal to use them. This is

the neocons' private army, answerable to no one, and Congress is ASLEEP as this country under Bush violates every law it can find. They WANT people to hate us, they NEED an enemy ~ this is the plan and who is looking out for America? Certainly not Congress ~

I read last week there are more mercenaries in Iraq than British troops ~ when they die, their deaths are not recorded as part of the death toll. I also read that over 400 have been killed so far.

If we had a free press, this would never have been kept from the American people.

Those waving their flags and yellow ribbons should know who they are supporting. Some of the mercenaries are from Pinochet's death squads, and from S. Africa, or anywhere they can get them. This is where Freeper tax-dollars are going.

This war cannot just be this big a screw-up. You have to PLAN to make it this bad ~

[FreedomAngel82]

15. Exactly

Them and Haliburton.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. We are creating more terrorists every day by actions such as this

One think one must understand about Islamic society, and that is the importance of the family. Every wife and every child is to be looked after; if a father dies, then the responsibility falls on his brother, father, and other male relatives. Therefore, families tend to be close, probably more akin to the way families were in America in the nineteenth century. Think to the fueds in Kentucky back then, and you may have some conception of the mindset and why this violence by our forces may very well lead to more violence by Iraqis.

[Just Me]

16. How would we behave NOW,...if we were FORCED into the same,...

,...circumstances? If ANYONE came into my community, with the intention of asserting dominance, and shot my brother or son or father in front of me,...and the possibility of even a process for justice was ZERO,...

:shrug:

I think it's pretty damned clear that "vengeance" is a heavy element in our own culture. Otherwise, 9/11 couldn't have been utilized to manipulate us into a baseless, aggressive war. Imagine how much worse we would be, if the tables were turned,...if we were in their shoes. Imagine, if you will, what elements of our society would be "taking charge". It's a scary proposition, is you really think about it.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. "vengeance" is a heavy element in our own culture.. cough, death penalty,

cough...

[bananas]

11. direct link to the new unedited video with audio

found it http://www.aegisiraq.co.uk/Trophy%20Video%20Page.htm


The video prompted investigations by the company and the military, the results of which have not been announced.

A U.S. military official said at the time that the identities of those responsible would be difficult to determine because no faces could be seen and voices were largely muffled.

But the same site that posted the initial videos -- http://www.aegisiraq.co.uk, -- has since posted what it says are unedited versions, complete with audible dialogue.

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Yep there it is

"winning hearts and minds" alright.

[High Plains]

14. May the mercenaries reap their just reward

A few hundred have so far.

[leftchick]

18. Kirkuk is supposed to be a peacefull success story

do you mean they lied?

[EVDebs]

19. A world opinion poll shows the Iraqis fear permanent US presence

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=380159&mesg_id=385889

and with the Quakers putting the map and the bases online, that is precisely why they have become targets for domestic spying here in the US.

Also, Sen McCain said it best:

""When asked this week on CNN how long the U.S. military is likely to remain in Iraq, Senator John McCain replied "probably" 10 or 20 years. "That's not so bad," he said""
http://spectrumz.com/z/fair_use/2004/09_04.html

This coming from the frontrunner for the R's in '08. Friends, we're stuck in Iraq unless we vote the R's outta office, first in '06 with House/Senate and then in '08. Then, and only then, will we see the commonsense oil policies come about as Amory Lovins proposes in his book Oil End Game

see http://www.oilendgame.com for free download to his book !

[Just Me]

21. That's the plan. We all know that's what the PNACers aim for.

They've already built the bases.

Why does anyone pretend this isn't the plan? :shrug: It's pretty much common fuckin' knowledge. There isn't a member of congress who hasn't been informed. The American people have been given a sugar-coated pill of this shit. Yes. But, anyone in a position of power knows this,...including the CM.

[EVDebs]

24. Dare to speak up, get domestic-spying sicced on you, like a Quaker

in FL or a vegetarian in GA. Conservative illiterates rely upon a pliant media MSM doing their dirty work for them. After all, if it's not on Fox it didn't happen.

[Mythsaje]

20. This illustrates something I said in an e-mail today

with someone who echoed the "we're fighting them over there" meme.

I'm saving it for when she replies to what I wrote to her earlier.

[The Stranger]

22. What about when Chimp landed on the carrier beneath "Mission Accomplished"

[EVDebs]

26. Was he thinking about that Mission to Mars ? I forget ...

We win blitzgrieg wars in three weeks but occupations are always a different story and they knew this from day one. In '73 Nixon planned to seize Saudi oilfields; they just took those plans and tweaked them in order to "do" the Iraq oilfields.

Everything else is just justifications.

[bvar22]

23. Paid Killers are the scum of the Earth!!!

I can find compassion for our soldiers. They are accountable for their behavior to the American People through the Chain of Command (at least in theory). When they kill, they do so IN OUR NAME (at least in theory).

The Mercs are accountable ONLY to their Corporate Bosses. MONEY is the ONLY motivation, and the "Bottom Line" the only accounting.
They should ALL be tried for MURDER or Accessory to MURDER!

Is the USA breeding this many Sociopaths?

[spanone]

25. The United States of Mercenaries....

wonder how many 'private security workers' we (the U.S.) are employing??

[Terran1212]

27. I think about 20,000

Have heard as high as 25,000