Slither Sessions on the Senate floor now... NSA could have stopped 911

[Viva_La_Revolution]

If only they had been spying on us beforehand.

Somebody want to b*tchslap him please, because they were, they had the info, and they translated the very next day.

How is it that we know that, but this idiot doesn't? Or, maybe he's LYING HIS ASS OFF ON THE SENATE FLOOR!!!!!

:mad:

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

1. Then why didn't it? Isn't there enough documentation to know Bush

started spying after he was inaugurated and before 9/11?!?!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x62515

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. exactly my point.

Is there no law against lying on the Senate Floor?

[MadAsHellNewYorker]

13. Im sure they just decided to not swear Session in for this speech

:eyes:

[magellan]

5. Ah-yup

Here too, with a link to the NSA document that says the warrantless domestic spying started in 2001.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x346899

[smartvoter]

2. God, I HATE him. He is one of the most blatantly dishonest reps ever. nt

[Norquist Nemesis]

4. He always sounds like he just came from the nearest bar

after belting down a pitcher of cosmopolitans. Can't stand to listen to his shamefully partisan remarks.

[myrna minx]

6. Wasn't he the one who claimed that the FBI *couldn't*

look at Moussaui's laptop because of the restrictions of FISA? When indeed, Colleen Rowley did everything that she could to get the higher-up to pay attention and they ultimately didn't care in the least?

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. G-d I detest that little asshole. MUTE!

That v-o-i-c-e-a-n-d-t-w-a-n-g-d-r-i-v-e-s-m-e-u-p-a-f-u-c-k-i-n-g-w-a-l-l!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

8. Bond is up now.... discussing this helps the terrorists...

WWHHAAAAAAA!

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. The dems better get up and rebut this POS now!

saying after being briefed, no one disagreed or followed up.

oh, except for that handwritten letter delivered to Cheney - forgot to mention that didn't you?

[havocmom]

10. Upper management types listening to and sharing info from field agents

concerned about people wanting to learn to fly but not land would have helped immensely too... but I'm betting those same FBI Dukes and Lords are still sparring over turf instead of working for the greater good.

And about those translations...

We didn't need illegal spying to gather more intel. We needed to pay attention to the intel already provided.

So, now they have MORE 'info' to check up on and they are finding people making calls to restaurants to order supper. Wonder how many more important leads are not getting followed while law enforcement is deluged with useless shit and chasing their tails because of it.

edit: typo

[helderheid]

11. HE SPIED AS OF JAN 2001 AFTER HE WAS INAGURATED!

http://www.thisiswiretap.com/2001/
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB24/index.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011706Y.shtml
http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=%22transition+2001%22+nsa&btnG=Google+Search

[Viva_La_Revolution]

12. Add this to your list... the Slate article

http://www.slate.com/id/2133564/

[helderheid]

15. thanks!

[havocmom]

14. THEY DID spy before 9-11

Didn't seem to help

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011706Y.shtml

[savemefromdumbya]

16. Have any of our Senators got a cell phone - call them

I don't know how easy it is to get a message to our senators to repeatedly tell the senate that spying occurred BEFORE 9/11.

[notadmblnd]

17. Not according to what I read here last night.

NSA doc proves "Bush Authorized Domestic Spying BEFORE 9/11

"The National Security Agency advised President Bush in early 2001 that it had been eavesdropping on Americans during the course of its work monitoring suspected terrorists and foreigners believed to have ties to terrorist groups, according to a declassified document.

"The NSA's vast data-mining activities began shortly after Bush was sworn in as president and the document contradicts his assertion that the 9/11 attacks prompted him to take the unprecedented step of signing a secret executive order authorizing the NSA to monitor a select number of American citizens thought to have ties to terrorist groups."

snip

"But according to people who worked at the NSA as encryption specialists during this time, that's not what happened. On orders from Defense Department officials and President Bush, the agency kept a running list of the names of Americans in its system and made it readily available to a number of senior officials in the Bush administration, these sources said, which in essence meant the NSA was conducting a covert domestic surveillance operation in violation of the law."

snip

"According to the online magazine Slate, an unnamed official in the telecom industry said NSA's efforts to obtain call details go back to early 2001, predating the 9/11 attacks and the president's now celebrated secret executive order. The source reports that the NSA approached U.S. carriers and asked for their cooperation in a 'data-mining' operation, which might eventually cull 'millions' of individual calls and e-mails."

Link to article: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/011306Z.shtml
Link to NSA document: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB24/nsa25.pdf

some comments:
"This completely undermines BushCo's claim that Congress's Authorization of Military in Afghanistan gave them the "statutorial exception" for warrantless wiretaps. It couldn't...because it hadn't happened yet!!

I haven't looked through the NSA doc fully yet, but it wouldn't hurt to also try and get the testimony of that unnamed telecom industry official mentioned in the last paragraph of the article." magellan

"so if the monitoring were working wouldn't they have caught
the 9/11 highjackers before they hit us"? catmother




"That's assuming they were actually monitoring for terrorists
The thing to bear in mind is that regardless of why BushCo were eavesdropping, they broke the law to do it". magellan



"
of course. i know that. but that point can be brought up -- if

he was listening for terrorists -- well. what happened dubya??" catmother

It could be part of the source for PDB "Binladen determined to strike..."
Which we all know he ignored anyway. My thought is that they have been spying on political enemies, not real enemies and that is why they had to circumvent FISA. gilpo

Total Information Awareness -
That's exactly what's going on here. Interesting LTTE:

sparosnare



Who will help when Pentagon nabs you?

Back in February 2003, Capitol Hill agreed to bar the Department of Defense from implementing a computer surveillance scheme called "Total Information Awareness." There was concern about a program that would enable federal authorities to dig into the details of the lives of American citizens.

That concern has not penetrated our executive branch. Using the umbrella of "executive privilege" and a rather vague reference to the Constitution, the current administration has again placed our sacred right of privacy in jeopardy. Our history, in general, supports the view that the danger of violent individual acts is far outweighed by government activities which do not respect the dignity and privacy of its citizens.

We are all terrified by the thought of being blindsided by terrorists with bombs or germs. However, that terror can in no way compare to the horror of an overzealous government suddenly allowed to examine each of us with a microscope.

http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=...