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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:17 PM
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Hillary used to be on the board of Wal-Mart?!?!
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 02:18 PM by meganmonkey
...With Wal-Mart rating as public enemy number one among many liberals, progressives and just regular voters, Clinton is finding her past ties to Wal-Mart too hot to handle so, presto, over the side the Beast of Bentonville must go.

For those not in the know, Clinton served on Wal-Marts board for six years prior to her husbands run for the presidency. She recently received $5,000 from Wal-Mart. Ive raised the Wal-Mart relationship repeatedly in my current race against Clinton and it causes deep unease among voters. I believe it speaks to the incumbents close ties to abusive corporate power: her large corporate financial contributions, her support for so-called free trade (which is simply trade to benefit corporations) and her unwillingness to confront corporate power that denies every American, among other things, universal health insurance.

So, I had to chuckle when I read that Clinton, having never said a bad word about the company in the past, recently said that Wal-Mart should pay more for its workers health benefits. And, to boot, she returned the $5,000 she had received from the company. But, when asked what she did about the companys benefits for workers when she served on the board, she replied, Well, you know, I, that was a long time ago ... have to remember

You cant have it both ways. You cant promote an image of being an intelligent woman who has a pile of facts at her fingertips but, at the same time, you suffer a sudden bout of amnesia when asked to answer for your record. And it would be an inconvenient record to defend.

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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:19 PM
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1. Wal-Mart wasn't quite as bad back then, was it?
Prior to '92, they actually did make a big deal of stocking "Made in the USA" items and did help revitalize many rural economies.

I think their cheating on employees' health benefits is a fairly recent thing too, isn't it?
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:22 PM
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7. Looks pretty bad - more from the article:
In 1992, Wal-Mart was simply smaller than it is today. But it was still huge, with $43.9 billion in net sales, 1,714 stores and 371,000 employees. Even in 1992, Wal-Mart was already the worlds largest retailer.

And the board Hillary Clinton sat on was rabidly anti-union, was exploiting sweatshop labor around the world, discriminating against women workers, forcing workers to labor off the clock and destroying communities that did not want them. This should not be a shock: Clinton was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.

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corporate_mike Donating Member (812 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:02 PM
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55. Policies haven't changed much :(
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:23 PM
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9. I worked for Wal-Mart 71-72
and it was a full time job keeping up the Made in America signs and posters. When Sam Walton died, part of the company died as well. We were just a hometown corner store back then cooking hotdogs in the parking lot on Saturday afternoon and raffling off lawnmowers.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:23 PM
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10. Walmart may have been better back then
But I wouldn't call what they did to most rural communities they moved into "revitalization".

Yeah, they provide 100 new jobs, but they also drive 20 stores out of business within 2 years of opening.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:40 PM
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21. Walmart was MUCH different when Sam Walton ran it.
It started off as a discount "Made in the USA" chain. After Sam, it turned into what it is now.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:46 PM
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24. How true. It was actually considered, under Sam Walton, a great place to
work. But after he died, and his kids took over, they put profits ahead of everything else.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:18 PM
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35. The only thing that has changed between now and then
Was simply a matter of size. WalMart, under Sam Walton, got its start destroying small town economies, a practice it continues to this day. And it was Sam Walton who originated the practice of the vertical monopoly, where a retailer buys up the distributor, then the supplier above that, then importer, then the manufacturer, etc. This is the key to keeping their "low low prices". And while ol' Sammy boy liked to project the image of just a good ol' country boy, it was all a sham. Underneath that overall wearin', pickup drivin' exterior was a man who screwed his employees over daily, giving them as few benefits and as low a wage as possible, keeping out the union and firing anybody who said one bad word about his store.

People like to romanticize the early days of WalMart, but don't fall for the spin. WalMart has always screwed over anybody it came into contact with, it's just now that they're much much bigger, the number of people they screw over is much much larger.
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:19 PM
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2. Read Bill's Book - My Life
He talks about Wal Mart in there. As it is headquartered and had it's beginnings in Arkansas. Wal Mart used to be different and had a Buy American campaign there for a while.

Now of course it is absolute EVIL but I don't think it always was.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:33 PM
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18. Buy American Campaign Was A Fraud
They had a campaign - but, if I recall correctly, some media folks checked into it and found out that it was fraudulent. Most of the "US" goods were actually effectively being manufactured in Asia.
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Sammy Pepys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:19 PM
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3. yup....n/t
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:20 PM
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4. Good catch! Some of her ties are very troubling. nt
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:23 PM
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11. Pssst - I hear she once ate at McDonald's
Please - criticizing her over an association she had almost 15 years ago - when Walmart was drastically different than it is now (Kmart was still #1 back then) is just wrong. If you want to criticize her, there are plenty of other things you could pick on.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:29 PM
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15. Actually, if you read the article, you'll see that isn't true:
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 02:30 PM by meganmonkey
In 1992, Wal-Mart was simply smaller than it is today. But it was still huge, with $43.9 billion in net sales, 1,714 stores and 371,000 employees. Even in 1992, Wal-Mart was already the worlds largest retailer.

And the board Hillary Clinton sat on was rabidly anti-union, was exploiting sweatshop labor around the world, discriminating against women workers, forcing workers to labor off the clock and destroying communities that did not want them. This should not be a shock: Clinton was a partner in the Rose law firm, one of the most active anti-union law firms in the country.
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:21 PM
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36. Guilt by association?
She was on the board for six years. Walmart wasn't the #1 retailer for that entire time. Maybe by the time she left, I'll grant that.

Also, the mere fact that the board itself was anti-union is no indication of her views at the time. We aren't privy to the behind-closed-doors discussions that took place, so it's not quite fair to paint her as being anti-union merely because of that.

Like I said, there are plenty of other issues where you can go after her over - her continued Iraq War support, censorship, etc.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:44 PM
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45. Guilt by Employment
When one is part of the problem, they can't see the need for a solution.

Excessive corporate power and the supremacy of harsh corporate values are destroying this nation.

One cannot serve two masters that are diametrically opposed.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:21 PM
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53. Ain't that the fuckin truth. GREAT POST!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:20 PM
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5. It should come as no surprise
that the first lady of Arkansas would be on such a board. It is a bad juxtaposition for her now.
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sasha031 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:21 PM
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6. that was when Sam Waldon was alive
when he died that is when he China imports came in
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:23 PM
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:23 PM
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12. It is HQ in Arkansas. Why the surprise? eom
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:24 PM
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13. I don;t think much of commondreams as a source. They don't like democrats
EOM
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:26 PM
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So their facts are irrelevant, then?
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 02:43 PM by meganmonkey
Why don't you address the message rather than the messenger?

on edit: How about Huffington Post? Because that's where this is originally from... :shrug:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:57 PM
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27. Others have addressed the message - see above - OP did not reveal source
Others have addressed the message, pointing out that Walmart had different business practices during the time period that Hillary was associated. Walmart's most egregious stuff came later - Hillary is no longer assoc with them

Others have referenced Clinton's autobiography as well with info -- see post above.

At any rate, commondreams likes to bash democrats, and often to my ears, the writing there sounds as if it were written by Karl Rove, only with a leftist spin.

PS Love HuffPo, not crazy about Arianna.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:59 PM
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28.  btw, I am the OP
And there is a link.
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:54 PM
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26. But wouldn't we say things about a Republican with a similar background?
If so, we have to be willing to take a close look at our own party and where it may be going.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:00 PM
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29. see post 20 - "Reply #20: Here is a quote from Hillary's spokesperson"
You are right, we must take a hard look at our own party. . .

my problem with commondreams is they do a lot of stuff similar to Ken Mehlman etc - take things out of context and misrepresent.

I have seen it happen time and time again, so I take their reporting with a big ole grain of salt.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:05 PM
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30. And the article from my original post said almost the exact same
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 03:05 PM by meganmonkey
thing as HIllary's spokesperson. In fact, that part is included in my OP:

"And, to boot, she returned the $5,000 she had received from the company. But, when asked what she did about the companys benefits for workers when she served on the board, she replied, Well, you know, I, that was a long time ago ... have to remember "

If you are going to criticize the article, read it first. Don't just react with your assumptions. The article deals with everything you have criticized it for. It ISN'T from Common Dreams originally, ( http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/hillary-a... ) , it addresses the fact that Hillary returned the money, and that Wal-Mart wasn't quite the evil behemoth then as it is now.

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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:22 PM
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37. that's hardly the same thing - very negative spin on spokesman quote
And it makes sense that the author of the piece would do that --

After all Jonathan Tasini is running against Hillary in the primary. So he wants to make her look as bad as possible.

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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:27 PM
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40. You're right, it is negative spin
and it is her opponent, and if I was trying to be devious or hiding these things I wouldn't have posted that part of the quote, would I?

That doesn't make the FACTS any less true.

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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:26 PM
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14. I worked for the People who owned Pace Picante
in San Antonio. She sat on the board of many companies and received handsome funds for doing just that.. Just for beng on the board of different companies she made good money....
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:31 PM
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16. She must have a little Martha Stewart in her n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:32 PM
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17. GOOGLE Jackson-Stephens and BCCI.
For laughs.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:43 PM
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22. Clintons appoint their "shady" friends too - ugh
found a story on free republic.


It was at this point that the Clintons put Robert Sussman on the project. Before the incinerator became a cause celebre for environmental and community activists in Ohio and West Virginia, WTI negotiated waste contracts with Sussman, then legal counsel for the Chemical Manufacturing Association (CMA). A Yale Law School contemporary of the Clintons, Sussman helped WTI to secure contracts with three CMA members: DuPont, Chemical Waste Management, and BASF. These contracts, later abandoned due to fears that WTI would be shuttered, would have guaranteed almost 100 percent of WTI's burning capacity for the rest of its existence.

When the Clintons came to Washington, Sussman became deputy to EPA administrator Carol Browner. When Browner recused herself from dealings with WTI -- owing to her husband's legal work for the radical public interest group, Citizens United, which opposes the facility -- Sussman became the EPA's point-man on WTI permits and licensing.


http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a37dbeeb96ca4.htm
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:44 PM
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23. using free republic as a source? Uh...OK
Hope you don't mind if I don't bother reading it.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:49 PM
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25. whatever - republicans have minds too
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 02:59 PM by annces8
Just because they have different aims doesn't mean they are not using facts in their writing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:17 PM
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34. LOL from freeper ville?
Please find another source to back it up.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:59 PM
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50. How about MotherJones linking Sussman and Chemical companies
Robert Sussan was appointed to EPA by Clinton from May 1993 to October 1994.

He had worked for Covington and Burling from 1974 to 1987. - """Our environmental litigation practice involves challenges to new environmental regulations and the defense of clients in enforcement suits and damages actions brought by the federal government, individual states, environmental groups, and individuals. """"

http://www.covingtonburling.com/practices/oid52802/desc...


Article in Mother Jones about Sussman and his dealing with Chemical Companies.

"""It may be worth noting that before joining the EPA, Bob Sussman served as legal counsel to the Chemical Manufacturers Association, which he regularly represented against the EPA. DuPont and BASF (both dominant members of the CMA) had major contracts with the
incinerator until March 1993. Sussman nonetheless declined to
recuse himself from the case, despite pressure from environmentalists. (EPA chief Carol Browner, on the other hand, recused herself simply because her husband belongs to an environmental group which--like virtually all environmental groups--is opposed to the incinerator.) """"

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/letters/1994/03/b...


WTI (Waste Technology Inc)

"""For 14 years we have been fighting to prevent the construction and operation of Waste Technologies Incorporated (WTI), the world's largest commercial toxic waste incinerator, permitted to import hazardous waste from foreign countries to be burned in an impoverished minority Appalachian River Town.

WTI is located immediately on the bank of the Ohio River in a residential neighborhood. WTI's stack is level with a 400 student elementary school that sits on a bluff less than 1100 feet away.

East Liverpool is in an economically depressed community of conservative, hardworking essentially blue-collar people, poor people and people of color. All of East Liverpool's 500 black American residents live in the area of the incinerator. """"

http://www.greens.org/s-r/078/07-42.html
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desi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:15 PM
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33. Unbelievable ain't it..??

..I thought I had seen it all but quoting the freepers on DU takes Hillary bashing to a new low..
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:44 PM
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46. Read this: Federation of American Scientists.
Nothing FREEPER about them.

http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/06early.h...

Nothing FREEPER about Catbird Seat, either:

http://www.the-catbird-seat.net/BCCI.htm

BTW: Closing your mind to the Truth is just what these evil turds want.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #22
47. Sorry, freerepublic.com is not a credible source on the Clintons
or really pretty much anything else for that matter.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:33 PM
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19. Not surprising - the co hdqrts are in Arkansas
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jim3775 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:39 PM
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20. Here is a quote from Hillary's spokesperson:
Clinton returned $5,000 to the political action committee of Wal-Mart Stores Inc., a company with long ties to the Clintons dating back to their days in Arkansas, where Wal-Mart is headquartered.

Clinton campaign spokeswoman Ann Lewis said the money was returned "because of serious differences with current company practices."


http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-clinto...
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:06 PM
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31. The right wing is nervous about Hilary, they are already trying to divide
the left with their unwitting tools.

:hi:
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:11 PM
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32. What do you mean?
They made up this story?

:shrug:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:23 PM
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38. the author is Hillary's political opponent - he wants to make her look bad
as possible by putting the worst spin possible on the facts.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:25 PM
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39. What does that have to do with the post
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 03:26 PM by meganmonkey
I was replying to?

God this thread is making my head spin. :crazy:
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:27 PM
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41. Because you are quoting sources willy nilly without telling us where they
are from or doing any analysis of what the motivations of the authors might be.
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:33 PM
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42. I posted an article that I was shocked by
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 03:55 PM by meganmonkey
And I try not to tell anybody what to think - I figure they can do their own analysis. The link was there for everyone to follow, and most people know this guy is her opponent. I just learned the little html trick with the link and I have been using it consistently ever since. I wasn't trying to withhold anything from people.

Geez, this place is out of control. Everyone is so suspicious and defensive. I can't have a reasonable conversation here without people accusing me of being deceptive or a fricking freeper.

When I first joined DU, as an openly independent voter who had never voted Dem for pres, I was treated very well, before the 2004 election. I almost started calling myself a Democrat. I am starting to realize that DUers don't like independent voices unless it's almost election time.

I need a fricking break.

Peace.

on edit: I am sorry for taking out my frustration on you in this post, emulatorloo, you don't deserve it, I am just really really frustrated with this thread and some other recent encounters lately here. I feel like I can't have a real conversation here anymore without suspicion and attacks, and I do need a break. It won't be long, though, as I am addicted.

Peace.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:38 PM
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43. Hey it is just common sense - if you post an article, pls name the source
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 04:12 PM by emulatorloo
It may even be in the DU rules. I'll go check for you -- nope it not in the rules.

JMHO It is just nice to see the title and source of the article in the original post.

I don't think anyone is trying to persecute you here. (PS i didn't accused you of those things -- so please don't confuse me w others)

At any rate take care :patriot:

ON EDIT -- thanks for your edit ---- :patriot: :toast: :patriot:
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:28 AM
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56. I've seen many links like this here ... I don't think it's all that
unusual. Maybe this one is attracting more attention because it's such an explosive topic. :shrug:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:56 PM
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49. I'd vote for the guy.
He doesn't appear to be allergic to the truth. Why do you insist on criticizing Hillary for other things instead of this? I don't really understand the purpose in those kind of statements. It is like you are asking us to evaluate her on just part of her history, like her support for the war. What is wrong with trying to get a more complete picture? Are you afraid you won't like the picture if you look too close?

Just wondering about that. I'd vote for the guy just because I like the ISSUE. It is an ISSUE that dems should be talking about at a deeper level than "Uh.. I don't remember, that was then, this is now, it's not important, and I have nothing to add to the debate." That's just lame politiking, hoping the ISSUE will go away, which is much more instructive, IMHO, than anything she may or may not have done in the past. I prefer people who stay close to a kicking horse, regardless of whether I agree with their political bent or not.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:04 PM
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51. hey I might vote for him too if I lived in New York
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 04:04 PM by emulatorloo
ON EDIT: Hillary is way too conservative for my tastes.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:55 PM
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48. I mean there isn't much to it. Walmart was a different company
in it's early stages. The RW has already started to take Hilary Clinton down, I couldn't figure out if they wanted her for a candidate or if they wanted to eliminate her like Dean. The recent scuttlebut leads me to believe the later.

:hi:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:41 PM
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44. That interlocking BI-PARTISAN elitism is the crux of the problem
It's like putting the foxes in charge of the henhouse.
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Sgent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:20 PM
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52. My dad used to own a business
which was a supplier to Sam's -- a business he got out of in 1993.

The "Buy American" campaign was crap. It never existed. The entire campaign was built on a we "Buy American" if we can get it for the least cost. Every year contract negotiations would come up, and every year he would have to bid against a Chinese or other foriegn supplier. He initially lost a good portion of the contract until they realized their returns went up by 400%, and they chose to go back to him for a better quality product.

That being said, Walmart in rural economies followed largly local practices -- no unions, no health benefits as a rule, etc. Only in urban areas are those types of benefits more frequently found.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 07:35 PM
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54. I've been against her running for prez for years
A bad idea in too many ways.
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