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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:27 AM
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The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination


Learn what "your" government wants to keep secret:



The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination

by BY REINALDO TALADRID and LAZARO BAREDO Sunday, Jan 15 2006, 2:09pm
milfuegos.macu@gmail.com
international / anti-fascism / news report

One of the most tantalizing nuggets about Nixon's possible inside knowledge of JFK assassination secrets was buried on a White House tape until 2002. On the tape, recorded in May of 1972, Nixon said: "And it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated," - without making clear why he considered the Warren Commission findings a sham and a hoax.
The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination


BY REINALDO TALADRID and LAZARO BAREDO

IN 1959, a young officer and businessman from Texas received directions to cooperate in funding the nascent anti-Castro groups that the CIA decided to create, but it wasnt until 1960 that he was assigned a more specific and overt mission: to guarantee the security of the process of recruiting Cubans to form an invasion brigade, a key aspect within the grand CIA operation to destroy the Cuban Revolution.

The CIA Texan quickly took a liking to the Cuban assigned to him for his new mission. The system of work, although intense, was simple. Fliz Rodrguez Mendiguta, "El Gato," would propose a candidate to him, who would then be checked out, both in the Agency and among the Miami groups, and finally, the Texan would give the go-ahead.

In that period, Flix Rodrguez already knew quite a few Cubans, like Jorge Mas Canosa (subsequently the leader of various counterrevolutionary organizations and then president of the Cuban-American National Foundation) and had confirmed his loyalty to "the cause" and to the Americans. For that reason he was among the first to be proposed. He passed through the process satisfactorily, and in a meeting in the city of Miami, which the Texan liked to make as formal as possible, Jorge Mas Canosa officially became an agent of the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency.

Jorge Mas didnt know how to thank Flix for what he had done for him. From that moment he was constantly grateful to him and, at the same time, obedient to his every petition.

But Jorge Mas was far from imagining the significance of this recruitment on the rest of his life. The significance rested on the fact that that Texan officer who undertook his recruitment process, approved it and then notified him at that meeting, was none other than George Herbert Walker Bush, the same man who, later, between 1989 and 1992, was the 41st president of the United States.

CONTINUED MUST READ AND PASS ALONG, PLEASE...

http://www.ntimc.org/newswire.php?story_id=3588



The story's not perfect, but it's a lot closer to the TRUTH than what's been printed in the WaHoPo or NYWT or ABCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutwork.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:52 AM
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1. Hey, DU! Don't let the BFEE get away with MURDER!
A PRESIDENT'S MURDER!

The Reich is trying to frame the debate (again):



Did Castro Kill Kennedy?

February 03, 2006 12:21 PM EST
By Roger Aronoff

Compelling new evidence of a Cuban Communist role in the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy has come to light, but has received little attention in the U.S. media.

It comes at a time when there has been renewed interest in the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II and the alleged Soviet role behind that.

SNIP...

Accuracy in Media commented here and here on evidence that was later presented on the CBS 60 Minutes program, making a strong case that the Soviets were ultimately behind the assassination attempt. The Soviets saw the Polish-born Pope as a threat to the survival of the Soviet empire, and they were right.

In the Kennedy matter, the big news comes from a German TV documentary that claims that the Cuban government was behind the assassination of former president John F. Kennedy by Lee Harvey Oswald. The film is called "Rendezvous With Death," by award winning director Wilfried Huissman. It took five years to make, and reports suggest that it makes a compelling case.

CONTINUED...

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/12062.html



An assassination is a murder that changes history.

How different our world would be today...

BTW: Someone ask me what Ray McGovern said.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:19 AM
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3. Hey Octafish, what did Ray McGovern say?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:00 PM
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6. Mr. McGovern thanks the research community...
Edited on Tue Feb-07-06 12:08 PM by Octafish
... for going after the Truth.

Ray McGovern, in an interview with Randi Rhodes, discussed his changing beliefs regarding Conspiracy Theorists. He was asked about 9-11 and the security stand-down

All of that all of thatstrains credulity. I was foolish enough in my callow youth to believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission on the JFK assassination. That went on to even in my middle age I was inclined to believe the inquiry into the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Never. Never again, Randi, will I disparage people who look into these things and bear the brunt of crticicism as conspiracy theorists. I think those people are doing a patriotic service to this country. And I think we have to remember The reason there are so many questions is this administration refuses to answer these questions.

LINK:

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/audio_highlights...

Sorry it took so long, i miss america. I had to transcribe the above.

I almost cried when I first heard him say this.

BTW: How ya been? Long time no vid!

EDIT: Sorry if there's a tippo or two in the transcript. I'm at the rabbit and can't spend too much time doing real work.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:37 PM
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15. I applaud Ray McGovern for his courage and thank you for posting this
I'm always amazed at how few people there are with true integrity. I thought about this last night, watching John Dean on Countdown.

Octafish, do you remember the literally dozens of hijackings to Cuba in 1968 by Palestinians? What the heck was that about? It never made sense to me what their purpose was, other than to create a negative image for Palestinians and Cuba. Then, they just seemed to stop as if the whole thing was a sanitized version of Operation Northwoods. I dunno.

In other post in this thread you wrote: "The guy in the White House, the CIA action officer as Oliver Stone called him, was Vice President Richard M. Nixon."

Nixon was CIA? Are there any other references to this or documented ties? If I remember Stone's Nixon movie correctly, wasn't there a scene where the dick - as president - visits the DCI's office, and has to kiss up to the guy? I didn't quite get that relationship or the history behind it. My impression was that Nixon was nervous and subservient because he knew what the shadow CIA did to JFK.

Great thread, Octafish.

:yourock:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:57 PM
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19. Google Operation Northwoods
I think you'll find your answer to that question.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:15 AM
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41. Thank you for your response, but my question dealt with events
a few years after the original scheme was proposed.

Have you come across anything that conclusively tied the late 60s hijackings to Northwoods?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 05:05 PM
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71. Many hijackings -- many causes.
In the USA, the hijackings to Cuba were people, kooks on the whole, interested in defecting to Cuba. The guys would pull a revolver and say: "Take this plane to Cuba." Upon landing, Fidel would imprison the turds.

In the Middle East, the hijackings by the PLO were political. In their attempts to raise awareness of the plight of the Palestinian people, many good and innocent people died.

Nixon was believed to be CIA connected, as was Prescott's boy, George Herbert Walker.


Nixon and Grampa Bush from their days together in the Sentate



The story is Prescott recruited Tricky to run for Congress in '46. The pecker.

Here's a bit on Tricky Dick, White House CIA Action Officer:



Dirty Politics--

Nixon, Watergate, and the JFK Assassination


by Mark Edwards

EXCERPT...

Other facts linking Nixon to the JFK assassination emerged years later during the Watergate conspiracy, some of which were revealed by Nixon's former chief of staff, H. R. Haldeman. In his book, The Ends of Power, Haldeman cites several conversations where Nixon expressed concern about the Watergate affair becoming public knowledge and where this exposure might lead. Haldeman writes:

"In fact, I was puzzled when he told me, 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay of Pigs.' After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with this ?' But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject."

Later in his book, Haldeman appears to answer his own question when he says, "It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."

If Haldeman's interpretation is correct, then Nixon's instructions for him to, "Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans is tied to the Bay of Pigs," was Nixon's way of telling him to inform Ehrlichman that the Watergate burglars were tied to Kennedy's murder. (It should be noted that many Cuban exiles blamed Kennedy for the failure to overthrow Castro at the Bay of Pigs, pointing to Kennedy's refusal to provide direct U.S. military support for the invasion.)

Haldeman also links the CIA to the Watergate burglars and, by implication, to the Kennedy assassination. Haldeman writes, "...at least one of the burglars, Martinez, was still on the CIA payroll on June 17, 1972--and almost certainly was reporting to his CIA case officer about the proposed break-in even before it happened ."

The other Watergate conspirators included G. Gordon Liddy, Frank Sturgis, Virgilio Gonzales and E. Howard Hunt. Hunt's relationship with the Cuban exiles traces back to the early 1960s, to his days with the CIA. As a political officer and propaganda expert, Hunt helped plan the Bays of Pigs invasion and was instrumental in creating the Cuban Revolutionary Council (CRC)--a militant anti-Castro organization under CIA control. Hunt would later retire from the CIA (at least ostensibly) to become covert operations chief for the Nixon White House. (Note: Hunt maintained a working relationship with the CIA even after his "retirement," obtaining camera equipment and disguises from the CIA's Technical Services Division for use in the Watergate burglary.)

Several reports over the years have placed Hunt in Dallas at the time of the Kennedy assassination. In 1974, the Rockefeller Commission concluded that Hunt used eleven hours of sick leave from the CIA in the two-week period preceding the JFK assassination. Later, in a 1985 trial, eyewitness Marita Lorenz testified that she saw Hunt pay off a CIA-backed assassination team in Dallas the night before Kennedy's murder. (Hunt v. Liberty Lobby; U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida; 1985) Click to read transcript

In taped conversations with Haldeman, Nixon is obviously worried about what would happen if Hunt's involvement in the Watergate conspiracy came to light. Nixon says, "Of course, this Hunt, that will uncover a lot of things. You open that scab, there's a hell of a lot of things, and we feel that it would be very detrimental to have this thing go any further...the President believes that it is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again." Click to Listen: Nixon instructs Haldeman (text below)

NIXON: When you get in to these people, say: "Look, the problem is that this will open the whole, the whole Bay of Pigs thing, and the President just feels that..." ah, I mean, without going into the details of, of lying to them to the extent to say that there is no involvement. But, you can say, "This is sort of a comedy of errors, bizarre," without getting into it, "The President's belief is that this is going to open the whole Bay of Pigs thing up again. And, ah because ah these people are playing for, for keeps and that they should call the FBI in and we feel that...that we wish for the country, don't go any further into this case, period!"

CONTINUED w/lots of References...

http://mtracy9.tripod.com/kennedy.html



Regarding the Tricky Dick Nixon, CIA Action Officer:

Nixon thought he would be victorious in 1960. The story is Joseph Kennedy Sr. and LBJ ensured the voting in Illinois and Texas went DEM, enraging Nixon, Prescott, Dulles and the rest of the neo-Reich. So they lied and told JFK the Bay of Pigs operation would work -- even knowing the operation had been compromised.

The recently revealed records show that the Soviets and Cubans knew when, where and how the operation would take place. Gee. More treason. They never told President Kennedy.

If he had won, as president, Nixon would give the go-ahead for the Bay of Pigs invasion and backed it up with the armed forces of the USA. So what if World War III broke out? We -- as in those very few lucky enough to survive Armageddon -- wouldn't be commies.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:46 AM
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46. Thanks for this, Octafish.
Always helping to inform the people. Greatly appreciated.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:56 PM
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18. What did he say??




George and Felix in the VP's office.


A GREAT site is http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com They have all types of good stuff and everything they back up with documents and the like.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:58 PM
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52. That is an outstanding site.
Thanks for putting in the link, FreedomAngel82!

What Ray McGovern said:

... for going after the Truth.

Ray McGovern, in an interview with Randi Rhodes, discussed his changing beliefs regarding Conspiracy Theorists. He was asked about 9-11 and the security stand-down

All of that all of thatstrains credulity. I was foolish enough in my callow youth to believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission on the JFK assassination. That went on to even in my middle age I was inclined to believe the inquiry into the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Never. Never again, Randi, will I disparage people who look into these things and bear the brunt of crticicism as conspiracy theorists. I think those people are doing a patriotic service to this country. And I think we have to remember The reason there are so many questions is this administration refuses to answer these questions.

The link's above in this thread. I'll get it when I get a moment...
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:17 AM
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2. K & R
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:23 AM
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4. Thanks, Me! Odd how so MANY tried to get JFK to go to war over Cuba.
First it was the Bay of Pigs -- the generals were all for war. Then during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the generals, the Congressional leadership, the Cabinet -- all for war. Operation NORTHWOODS even described a plan that would use American civilians and service people casualties to invent a pretext for war.

The thinking in 1960 was that the Cuban exiles would retake their island and that they might need some help from the Pentagon. The guy in the White House, the CIA action officer as Oliver Stone called him, was Vice President Richard M. Nixon. At that time, the thinking was that Nixon would beat JFK in the fall. Things didn't turn out that way, so the tables were turned on JFK.

The CIA told the young President their plan for a Cuban exile victory would work WITHOUT American air cover and military support. The thing was the plan was already compromised. Fidel and the Soviets knew the invasion was coming. The only thing was, Allen Dulles didn't warn Kennedy.

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/02/980223_pigs.htm

Well that's odd. The CIA head is telling the President to go ahead with an illegal invasion, apparently in the know that it's doomed to failure, but hoping to get the US involved in a war.

Gee. I can only guess what went through JFK's mind when Lemnitzer brought the Operation NORTHWOODS plan. That operation called for staging terrorist attacks on American civilians and military facilities in Guantanamo Bay in order to rally public support for ... an invasion of Cuba. Kennedy said, "No" and fired Lemnitzer.

But, wait. There's more treason.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis of October, 1962, hen the Joint Chiefs of Staff, almost the entire cabinet, and most of Congress that had been briefed wanted JFK to launch a nuclear strike against the Soviet Union, even if it meant global nuclear war.

Thanks to Adlai Stevenson and Bobby Kennedy, the President ordered the government agencies to work out an alternative. That was the embargo. For his trouble keeping the world from ending, JFK was branded "soft" on communism and worse.

After the JFK assassination comes much more evidence indicating government duplicity in the killing. Chief among these is the concerted efforts to paint Oswald as being a communist sympathizer who wanted to shoot the President and then flee to Cuba. Those efforts continue to the present day.

Now THAT leads me to think the President's murder was a conspiracy.

PS: Odd how Kennedy's successor ignored JFK's plans to withdraw from Vietnam. Instead, LBJ used the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident to escalate US involvment, giving more power to the Military-Industrial Complex. These are the bedwetting bastids we call the BFEE.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:54 PM
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11. I Always Believed It
The research presented by so many, including your most excellent efforts, amply make the case. And the behavior of this administration makes it even more plausible that those we trusted to lead us and keep our democracy safe, have betrayed us ten score and more. But there's another reason I believe it and that is because a trusted friend told me so. She tells of being young and visiting well placed GOPer relatives in California, being there on the night Kennedy was killed, and of the parties that went on cele bating the occasion. And then I read, somewhere, one of your threads(?), that was such a gathering in at least one large city in Texas and that 41 attended. Now I don't know if I have my facts straight on the 41 thing, but my friend was devastated that night in Nov. and she has not trusted government since.

I do wonder if there was a web-site solely devoted to BFEE and the three leaves of the Plame clover leaf, a combo of yours and H20Man's best, if a dent could be made in the minds of people who do not yet see or understand the treachery we've been and are surrounded by.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:01 AM
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33. it was reported after the assassination that students in Dallas and
elsewhere in TX cheered when it was announced that JFK was dead
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Sydnie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 11:27 AM
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5. Kicked and rec'd too!
My head is exploding!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:12 PM
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8. Most everyone who approaches this subject undergoes a transformation...
...What David Talbot:



The mother of all cover-ups

Forty years after the Warren Report, the official verdict on the Kennedy assassination, we now know the country's high and mighty were secretly among its biggest critics.


By David Talbot
Sept. 15, 2004

Once again, we find ourselves in the season of the official report: the 9/11 Commission Report, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report, the Schlesinger inquiry on Abu Ghraib, among others. And once again the official version is under fire.

The 9/11 Report has been attacked for leaning over backward, in the spirit of bipartisan unanimity, to avoid pinning blame on the Bush administration for its casual attitude toward terrorist alerts before the calamity and for sidestepping the issue of Saudi involvement. But at least it has won a measure of public respect, due in large part to the vigilance of 9/11 victims' families.

The Senate report on the intelligence failures leading to the Iraq catastrophe has not fared as well, undoubtedly because it lacked the same public oversight. This report went to even greater extremes to keep Bush out of the cross hairs. As Thomas Powers wrote in the New York Review of Books, "No tyrannical father presiding over an intimidated household was ever tiptoed around with greater caution than is the figure of President George W. Bush in the fat report."

And the Schlesinger report on Abu Ghraib has quickly earned itself an utterly contemptuous response, eliciting widespread outrage for giving Defense Secetary Rumsfeld and the Pentagon a sweeping pass on the reign of torture at the prison. While the world shuddered in horror at photographs and descriptions of the Abu Ghraib mayhem, James Schlesinger, the former defense secretary picked by Rumsfeld to chair the civilian commission, was considerably less agitated in his response. "Animal house," he blithely called the prison's chambers of violent perversity, a casual assessment that mirrored the forgiving views of Rush Limbaugh, who dismissed the scandal as a frat party gone wild.

So it is only appropriate, in this stormy season of the official version and its discontents, that we observe the 40th anniversary of the Warren Report -- the mother of all such controversies. The vast, 26-volume report was delivered by the commission chairman, Chief Justice Earl Warren, to President Johnson on Sept. 24, 1964. The Warren Report concluded that President Kennedy was the victim of a lone, unstable assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, who was himself, conveniently, gunned down just two days later in the Dallas police station by mob-connected hustler Jack Ruby. The Warren Commission -- itself the victim of massive fraud and manipulation by the FBI and CIA -- came under immediate fire from critics, with its report being denounced as a government coverup by a growing army of independent researchers. History has not been any kinder to the Warren Report, which has been derided and condemned by everyone from the House Select Committee on Assassinations -- the only other federal panel to exhaustively probe Kennedy's murder, and which found in 1979 that the president was the probable target of a conspiracy -- to Oliver Stone in his explosive 1991 film "JFK" to the History Channel, which routinely airs even the outer limits of conspiracy theories.

CONTINUED...

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2004/09/15/warren...



Talbot is the founder and big cheese at Salon.com.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:02 PM
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7. There's a new book on this subject
I think it's by Thom Hartman? Have you heard about it?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:29 PM
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9. I believe the "Ultimate Sacrifice" says the Mafia was behind JFK's murder.
First, I must say I only know about the work through the reviews. I may buy it, but it's doubtful.

My problem with the new book is the authors say JFK and RFK were working on assassinating Castro. But before they could, the Mafia organized Dallas for the Kennedy administration's concerted anti-organized crime efforts. I believe the Mob was involved -- but only because the CIA had contracted (through the Robert Maheu--Johnny Rosselli connection) their services to give Fidel the ziggy.

A few other big things I'll try and get into in detail later this noche:

1. The Mafia couldn't order the Secret Service to stand down.

2. The Mafia couldn't order a last-minute change to the motorcade route to pass in front of the Texas School Book Depository.

3. The Mafia couldn't order the CIA and FBI to lie about the phony Oswalds running around the United States and Mexico.

The CIA has done all it can to lie, cover-up and blame others for their role in Dallas. What burns me is that most of the agency is filled with good people. The crooks are led by Bush and Co, such as Porter "Operation 40" Goss.

PS: I remember you telling me your dad met JFK, Stephanie. Your family knows what our nation and world lost on that terrible day. Because of one man's death 41 years ago, our world today is a much sadder and war-filled place.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:33 PM
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14. I am a fan of Thom Hartmann, but he is not always correct. I think he blew
it on this one.
However, one of the good things about him is when he realizes a mistake he admits it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:40 PM
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16. Yeah, I have a picture of him at home shaking hands with my grandpa
I haven't looked at the book, this is only from a conversation I had with a friend who read it, so I don't know the answer to your points. I will ask him.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:42 AM
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45. the mafia could not cause the MSM to fall asleep over this
Oliver Stone's "JFK" asks all the right questions about the "the mafia did it theory" (referenced in "JFK2 - The Bush connection").
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:33 PM
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10. docu: JFK II: The Bush Connection
JFK II: The Bush Connection
http://madcowpolitics.com/jfk2bb.wmv

It's particularly interesting because it spends a lot of time on the network and the background behind the assasination.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:59 PM
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13. That's some video, rman! Thank you.
From the FBI "warning" at the beginning on, it is outstanding work. I wish more people knew about it.

The only ones I wish don't see it are the members of President Kennedy's family. There are some things in it that are just too painful for them to bear watching.

For them, I say that we will not forget, never give up following the trail of the guilty, and will work to restore Justice in America.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:01 PM
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21. It ties together much of what is mentioned in this thread, and then some
you're very welcome
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:00 PM
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20. This is a great film
It shows how the BEEF were involved.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:42 PM
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24. thanks for this link
I've watched 23 minutes of it. God....
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:14 PM
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26. I feel sick
I need to talk about this movie...
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:12 AM
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40. I have the DVD and it is riveting! Thank you for sharing the link! eom
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 12:56 PM
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12. kick and recommended ...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:06 PM
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29. Thanks, Swamp Rat. Really like your work, there. TRUTH.
Your work pegs these treasonous NAZI bedwetting bastids for what they are.

Regarding the original article: From what I've seen, the article is a translation from Spanish into Brazilian into English. It's got a few problems, apart from J Edgar (Edward) Hoover and Prescott (Preston) Bush. What it does do, is spell out how we got to know what Poppy was up to in the Bay of Pigs Thing.

Speaking of which:



The Kennedy-Nixon-Bush Connection

by Paul Kangas

EXCERPT...

On the Watergate tapes, June 23, 1972, referred to in the media as the "smoking gun" conversation, Nixon and his Chief of Staff, H.R. Haldeman, discussed how to stop the FBI investigation into the CIA Watergate burglary. They were worried that the investigation would expose their conection to "the Bay of Pigs thing." Haldeman, in his book The Ends of Power, reveals that Nixon always used code words when talking about the 1963 murder of JFK. Haldeman said Nixon would always refer to the assassination as "the Bay of Pigs."

On that transcript we find Nixon discussing the role of George Bush's partner, Robert Mosbacher, as one of the Texas fundraisers for Nixon. On the tapes Nixon keeps refering to the "Cubans" and the "Texans." The "Texans" were Bush, Mosbacher and Baker. This is another direct link between Bush and evidence linking Nixon and Bush to the Kennedy assassination.

In the same discussion Nixon links "the Cubans," "the Texans," "Helms," "Hunt," "Bernard Barker," Robert "Mosbacher" and "the Bay of Pigs." Over and over on the Watergate tapes, these names come up around the discussion of the photos from Dallas that Nixon was trying to obtain when he ordered the CIA to burglarize the Watergate. (Source: Three Men and a Barge", Teresa Riordan, Common Cause magazine, March/April 1990, and San Francisco Chronicle, May 7,1977, interview with Frank Sturgis in which he stated that "the reason we burglarized the Watergate was because Nixon was interested in stopping news leaking related to the photos of our role in the assassination of President John Kennedy.")

After Nixon's landslide victory in 1972, he knew he had to centralize all power into the White House to keep his faction in power, not only to hold power, but to prevent the media from digging into how he secretly shot his way into the White House, just like Hitler shot his way into control of Germany. The first thing Nixon did was to demand signed resignations of his entire government. "Eliminate everyone," he told John Ehrlichman about reappointment, "except George Bush. Bush will do anything for our cause." (Source: Pledging Allegiance, Sidney Blumenthal.)

The reason why Bush will "do anything" is because his hands have as much of Kennedy's blood on them as do Nixon's, Hunt's, Sturgis's, Felix Rodriguez's and Gerald Ford's. This White House gang fears that if the public ever realizes how they shot their way into power it could set off a spark that would destroy their fragile fraud and land them in jail.

SNIP...

Meanwhile, in 1960, Preston (!!!) Bush was running Nixon's campaign. Nixon was sent to South Vietnam to assure the French- connection government there that if France pulled out, the U.S. would step in to protect the drug trade from the GoIden Triangle. (Source: Frontline, 1988, "Guns. Drugs and the CIA"; Alexander Cockburn; "Cocaine, the CIA and Air America," S.F. Examiner, Feb. 2, '91; The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, Alfred McCoy, 1972.)

CONTINUED...

http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/dead_kennedys/161963...

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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:19 AM
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34. 

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 01:53 PM
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17. In order to know why he was killed
you have to start with Operation Northwoods first. That's what I found. Poppy Bush is an evil bastard. Nixon knew. Why else was he so paranoid about Kennedy and lied about where he was like Poppy?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:22 PM
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30. MI Complex Wanted War: Northwoods was their means.
Tragedy for the Kennedy family.

Tragedy for the country.

A boondoggle for the Bush Family Evil Empire.



Operation Northwoods And
The Reichstag Fire


By Bill Molson

Online Journal Contributing Writer
5-5-2

Operation Northwoods

Could the United States government conceive of carrying out attacks against the American people under the pretext that the attacks came from a foreign enemy? We have to look back only 40 years to find that the answer is yes.

The plan was called Operation Northwoods and it called for engaging in such unsavory activities as assassination, hijacking airplanes, blowing up ships, orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities, and even blowing up John Glenn's space capsule, while pinning the blame on Fidel Castro. This would whip up necessary public support for a full-scale invasion of Cuba, which the military believed was necessary. These details are revealed in a book entitled Body of Secrets, a book about the National Security Agency, by James Bamford.

"We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," wrote the military, and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

This was not a "rogue" operation, or loners acting outside the government. These plans were devised by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in 1962. The Kennedy administration rejected the plan, but pretext operations would continue to be drawn up as late as 1963. Among these were to create a war between Cuba and another Latin American country so the U.S. could intervene, and paying someone in Castro's government to attack Guantanamo Bay.

The author, in an interview with ABC news, said, "The whole point of a democracy is to have leaders responding to the public will, and here is the complete reverse, the military trying to trick the American people into a war that they want but nobody else wants."

CONTNUED...

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:40abafUYcxYJ:www.on...

PDF:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/04-30-02_Molson_-_...



These traitors are some serious men. And they're seriously afraid of the Truth.

Military-Industrial-Intelligence Complex Wanted War: NORTHWOODS was their means to their objective:

First would be war with Cuba, then their "Final Solution" with the Soviet Union.

The survivors, if any, supposedly would be free.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:06 PM
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22. K-n-R eom
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:31 PM
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31. Thanks, Just Me. A note on the "Whole Bay of Pigs Thing"
...I found in my JFK file.

Sorry about the typos, I'm trying to figure out the source. The content sure fits here.



Whole Bay of Pigs Thing

1 Church Committee, Assassinatl (lll Florv Reporr, 179 (Johnson); Washingron Post, March 7, 1967, p. C13 (column). The IG Report refers to "Drew Pearson's column of 7 March 1967" (p. 6); the column itself made it clear that it was written by Pearson's associate Jack Anderson. I shall refer to it hereafter as the Anderson column, as I consider the distinction to be important.

2 H.R. Haldeman, Nixon's other top aide, wrote that in 1969, immediately after he came to office, Nixon charged Ehrlichman to obtain from the CIA a "document," described by the President as a complete report on the Bay of Pigs, that Richard Helms refused to deliver to the President. (H.R. Haldeman, with Joseph DiMona, The Ends of Power, 25-26). In Ehrlichman's (novel" ) "The Company," the document requested by President "Monckton" was a document dealing with CIA sponsored assassinations in the Caribbean. Ehrlichman's notes of a meeting on September 18, 1971, record that the President instructed him to tell CIA to turn over "the full file {on the Bay of Pigs} or else (House Judiciary Committee, Impeachment Hearings, Appendix Three; see also Arthur M. Schlesinger, Robert Kennedy and His Times, 523-24). It remains unclear if Nixon's intent was to obtain the IG Report or the earlier in-house Kirkpatrick Report on the Bay of Pigs failure, which also existed in just one copy (Ranelagh, The Agency, 381; cf. 531), or both. The "full file." in theory, should have delivered both. (In the Watergate "smoking gun" tape of June 23, 1972, Nixon predicted that Hunt "will uncover a lot of things," including "the whole Bay of Pigs thing;" and Haldeman's book later surmised that "in all those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination" {Haldeman, The Ends of Power, 39}. Haldeman backed away from this speculation before his death, but it was a reasonable one: we now learn that E. Howard Hunt's name is almost cenainly included in the IG Report, at pp. 99 and 101 {14-letter redactions; cf. below at footnote 6; Warren Hinckle and William Turner, The Fish Is Red, 240}).



It's a footnote from somewhere. May it help seal some traitor's bad name.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 02:15 PM
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23. K & R
sad isn't it
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 04:47 PM
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27. very sad
makes those dlc threads seem trivial...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 10:40 PM
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32. Sadder than all hell.
Which is where traitors belong.

As for the rest of us, we foot their bill and serve as their cannon fodder.



Pentagon can't reconcile records with war's reality

The problems mean some troops don't get what they need and aren't paid correctly. With the snarls, accountants aren't trying to audit the Defense Department's books.


Lisa Zagaroli

WASHINGTON -- When Perry Jefferies was serving in Iraq, the computers showed that his 4th Infantry Division troops had access to drinking water, a place to shower and working wheels on their vehicles.

As the first sergeant came to understand when scrounging for water, towing immobilized tanks and driving to other posts or to Kuwait to pick up needed parts, the Pentagon's bookkeeping doesn't always match reality.

Jefferies saw the real-life results of what has for years been a visible "accounting" problem in Washington -- the Pentagon's inability to keep accurate track of transactions and assets.

A labyrinth of arcane and incompatible accounting systems has in recent years led the department to pay the wrong amounts to troops, civilian workers and contractors; to lose track of its equipment, even hard-to-misplace planes and tanks; and to improperly document trillions of dollars in transactions that leave tax dollars vulnerable to abuse, according to government reports.

A long-elusive "clean audit" sought by the Department of Defense -- for years pegged for 2007 -- is nowhere on the horizon. The agency's books are such a mess that its accountants have stopped wasting money trying to audit them.

CONTINUED...

http://www.startribune.com/484/story/226548.html



The BFEE. In business since 22 November 1963.

I'd say, "Earlier than that." Probably since FDR died.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 03:40 PM
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25. k&r..thanks Octafish
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:23 AM
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42. Here are the documents Poppy Bush fears most...
The day JFK was murdered, George Herbert Walker Bush told the FBI he had a suspect. Too bad he reported it an hour after the fact. BTW: Poppy was in Dallas on 22 November 1963.



Here's what J Edgar Hoover and "Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency" talked about a week later:



Source:

http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Please forgive me for repeating myself, JennasLiver. I know this is old hat to you, but for too many DUers and Americans the Bush-JFK Assassination connection is news.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:13 PM
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54. You can't repeat it enough-that's why I always kick!
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-07-06 08:38 PM
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28. I keep remembering immediately after 9/11.....
that I read how Bush Sr. was partying with Saudi Royals on one of their yachts.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:17 AM
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49. Poppy and bin Ladens were together for CARLYLE Group meetings.
Birds of a feather, eh, AntiFascist?



January 2000: Former President Bush Meets with bin Laden Family on Behalf of Carlyle Group

Complete 911 Timeline

Ex-President Bush Sr. meeting with Saudi Arabia's King Fahd on behalf of the Carlyle Group in 2000.

Former President George H. W. Bush meets with the bin Laden family on behalf of the Carlyle Group. He had also met with them in November 1998 (see November 1998), but it is not known if he meets with them again after this. Bush denies this meeting took place until a thank you note is found confirming that it took place.

SOURCE: http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a01...



Nice people read the Wall Street Journal, too.

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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:34 PM
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53. Excellent!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/WAL110A.html



The evidence increasingly suggests that throughout the entire post-cold War period, agencies of the US government have harboured international terrorists. The Islamic jihad has been abetted by the US government, and conversely the Islamic jihad has financed the flow of arms and mercenaries in US sponsored insurgencies in the Balkans and the former Soviet Union. And behind this process is a multibillion dollar Golden Crescent drug trade including the laundering of large amounts of narco-dollars in the Western banking system.


and from the Wall Street Journal article:


A Carlyle executive said the bin Laden family committed $2 million through a London investment arm in 1995 in Carlyle Partners II Fund, which raised $1.3 billion overall. The fund has purchased several aerospace companies among 29 deals. So far, the family has received $1.3 million back in completed investments and should ultimately realize a 40% annualized rate of return, the Carlyle executive said.

But a foreign financier with ties to the bin Laden family says the family's overall investment with Carlyle is considerably larger. He called the $2 million merely an initial contribution. "It's like plowing a field," this person said. "You seed it once. You plow it, and then you reseed it again."

<snip>

Among the properties that Salem bin Laden bought on Mr. Bath's recommendation was the Houston Gulf Airport, a lightly used airfield in League City, Texas, 25 miles east of Houston. But Mr. bin Laden's hope that it would develop a major overflow airport for Houston never materialized, in part due to concern over wetlands. Ever since his death, his estate has sought to sell the airfield -- without success. Today, it is still on the market.


More about Mr. Bath here:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/6/61854/9150


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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 02:46 AM
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35. ***Another thread on this article from Jan 15:***
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (1-15-06): The Bush family, the Cuban mafia and the Kennedy assassination

Lots of comments there too.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:03 PM
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56. Thanks, Nothing Without Hope! Wow! A Deja Vu Flashback.
My bad. I'd've changed things a bit, if I'd remembered the original post.

Seeing how we're here, there's no reason not to bring up some of the past that bears on the present:



Bay of Pigs was COMPROMISED, Dulles gave it the "GO' anyway.

ACCORDING TO THE REPORT, SENIOR C-I-A OFFICIALS KNEW WELL BEFORE
THE INVASION TOOK PLACE THAT THE MISSION'S SECRECY HAD BEEN
COMPROMISED AND THAT IT WAS LIKELY TO FAIL. THE REPORT WAS SO
SENSITIVE THAT THEN-C-I-A DIRECTOR JOHN MCCONE HAD ALL BUT ONE
COPY OF IT BURNED.

SOURCE: http://www.fas.org/irp/news/1998/04/980417-pigs.htm



Dulles lied to JFK regarding the Bay of Pigs, telling the young President that the plan would work, the Cuban people would rise up against the commie oppressor Fidel. Never happened. So, Dulles got fired over the Bay of Pigs. Then LBJ appointed him to the Warren Commission
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:50 PM
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60. Very interesting indeed. I'm assuming McCone has died since then.
The terrible secrets these people took to their graves! But I do believe that some day the truth will be exposed.

I didn't intend anything negative by giving a link to the other thread - I just want ALL the comments about the topic to be reachable, because as you know great things come out in comments.

You might have some interest in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
thread title (2-7-06 GD): COMPILATION: My own list of TOP JANUARY THREADS - add your own! (long)

As I explain there, I never intended to share this thread list, but what the hey. It's very unwieldy in its present form, of course, but I'm thinking of reorganizing into carefully considered categories and trying to stir up interest in a "IMPORTANT THREADS OF THE WEEK" feature in the Research Forum. These could then be amalgamated into "IMPORTANT THREADS OF THE MONTH." I am hoping that other people will put in important ones that aren't there to begin with. I feel that the lack of a browsable archiving feature is the single biggest flaw in the mostly fine DU format.
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 07:15 AM
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65. post#21 in that thread-pic of Porter Goss&Rodriguez-
chilling! I'd seen it before, but forgotten. If we had a real media, it would be
common knowledge that we're dealing with all the same people that have wanted to
destroy this country for the last 40 odd years.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 03:24 AM
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36. Phew. I expected to open up this thread and find it wrecked with disinfo.
Not from Octafish or any of our other SANE members, but...yeah. Those of you have have been paying attention know that we have some folks around these boards who think the "person" who killed Kennedy...I can't even type it. It's too embarrassing for them. Let's just say they're a little confused about what decade it is. And the difference between reality and their own sick fantasies.

Thanks, Octa! Your threads remind me that not everything is dead or destroyed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:10 AM
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48. The Framing of Oswald
Someone in the U.S. Government went to great lengths to make Oswald the patsy. That shows me who the the real assassins were -- and are.

Here's more light:



The Framing of Oswald

"The CIA advised that on October 1, 1963, an extremely sensitive source had reported that an individual identified himself as Lee Oswald, who contacted the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City inquiring as to any messages. Special Agents of this Bureau, who have conversed with Oswald in Dallas, Texas, have observed photographs of the individual referred to above, and have listened to a recording of his voice. These special agents are of the opinion that the above-referred-to individual was not Lee Harvey Oswald."

The paragraph shown above comes from an FBI memo sent to both the White House and the Secret Service on November 23, 1963, the day after President Kennedy's assassination. It was a follow-up to a phone call at 10:01 AM, in which Director Hoover informed Lyndon Johnson of the same fact. Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of Kennedy held in police custody in Dallas, had been impersonated in phone calls to the Soviet Embassy in Mexio City.

The fact that Oswald was impersonated less than two months prior to the Dallas shooting was obviously important news. What made the revelation even more stunning was that, in one such call, "Oswald" referred to a previous meeting with a Soviet official named Kostikov. Valeriy Kostikov was well-known to the CIA and FBI as a KGB agent operating out of the Embassy under official cover. But, far more ominously, the FBI's "Tumbleweed" informant had previously tipped off the U.S. that Kostikov was a member of the KGB's "Department 13," involved in sabotage and assassinations.

An otherwise inexplicable impersonation episode takes on an entirely new meaning in this light. The calls from the Oswald impersonator made it appear that Oswald was a hired killer, hired by the Soviet Union no less. This was a prescription for World War III.

Perhaps the perfect plan was foiled by the fact that Oswald was captured, allowing the FBI to interrogate him and compare his voice to the tapes of these tapped phone calls, which were apparently flown up from the CIA's Mexico City Station on the evening of November 22. In any case, what should have been a hot lead to sophisticated conspirators was instead quickly buriedby November 25, FBI memos made no more mention of tapes, only transcripts. The CIA has maintained to this day that the tapes were routinely recycled prior to the assassination, and no tapes were ever sent. But the evidence that the tapes did exist and were listened to is now overwhelming, and includes several FBI memos, a call from Hoover to LBJ which appears to have been suspiciously erased, and even the word of two Warren Commission staffers who say they listened to the tapes during their visit to Mexico City in April 1964!

Back in November 1963, with the knowledge that it wasn't Oswald in these calls to the Soviet Embassy tightly held, and with witnesses coming forward to claim seeing Oswald take money to kill Kennedy from Cuban operatives, a coverup went into high gear. Lyndon Johnson used the fear of nuclear war, bandying about the figure "40 million Americans" who would die in a nuclear exchange. Even though he knew of the impersonation, Johnson used this false scare to press men like Richard Russell and Earl Warren onto a President's Commission which another Commissioner, John J. McCloy, said was to "settle the dust."

The Mexico City story, which involves far more than the telephone tapes and remains truly mysterious in many ways, is not the only element in the setup of Oswald. Whether he was part of a murder conspiracy or just a "patsy," Oswald was set up for the role as lone gunman. Several incidents prior to the assassination painted him as a "Red" assassin, including his test-drive at a car dealership in Dallas and an episode at a shooting range. In both cases, the Warren Commission showed that Oswald could not have been present, and thus dismissed the claims. They should have instead asked, who was there pretending to be Oswald?

CONTINUED...

http://history-matters.com/frameup.htm



PS: Thanks for your reply, BlueIris. You have no idea how much knowing you and so many give a damn.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 06:54 AM
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64. Oswald ....
was the exact opposite of who "history" has officially recorded him as being. It's one of the sad things about the entire affair, in my opinion. He was on loan from one agency to another, showing a degree of coordination between those dark forces involved.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:39 AM
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37. Heres a great documentary surrounding this.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:12 PM
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57. Great video, there. Thanks, Twist_U_Up! Ties Bush to Dallas. Big Time.
From Tarpley and Chaitkin:

George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

by Webster G. Tarpley & Anton Chaitkin

CHAPTER VIII-b - THE BAY OF PIGS AND THE KENNEDY ASSASSINATION


EXCERPT...

4. The Iran-contra affair, which became a public scandal during October-November 1986, several of whose central figures, such as Felix Rodriguez, were also veterans of the Bay of Pigs.

George Bush's role in both Watergate and the October surprise/Iran-contra complex will be treated in detail at later points in this book. Right now it is important to see that thirty years of covert operations, in many respects, form a single continuous whole. This is especially true in regard to the dramatis personae. Georgie Anne Geyer points to the obvious in a recent book: "...an entire new Cuban cadre now emerged from the Bay of Pigs. The names Howard Hunt, Bernard Barker, Rolando Martinez, Felix Rodriguez and Eugenio Martinez would, in the next quarter century, pop up, often decisively, over and over again in the most dangerous American foreign policy crises. There were Cubans flying missions for the CIA in the Congo and even for the Portuguese in Africa; Cubans were the burglars of Watergate; Cubans played key roles in Nicaragua, in Irangate, in the American move into the Persian Gulf." 2 Felix Rodriguez tells us that he was infiltrated into Cuba with the other members of the "Grey Team" in conjunction with the Bay of Pigs landings; this is the same man we will find directing the contra supply effort in central American during the 1980's, working under the direct supervision of Don Gregg and George Bush. 3 Theodore Shackley, the JM/WAVE station chief, will later show up in Bush's 1979-80 presidential campaign.

To a very large degree, such covert operations (and the great political scandals attendant upon them) have drawn upon the same pool of personnel. They are a significant extent the handiwork of the same crowd. It is therefore revealing to extrapolate forward and backward in time the individuals and groups of individuals who appear as the cast of characters in one scandal and compare them with the cast of characters for the other scandals, including the secondary ones that have not been enumerated here. Howard Hunt, for example, shows up as a confirmed part of the overthrow of the Guatemalan government of Jacopo Arbenz in 1954, as an important part of the chain of command in the Bay of Pigs, as a person repeatedly accused of having been in Dallas on the day Kennedy was shot, and as one of the central figures of Watergate. (One wonders what secrets, after all, were contained in Howard Hunt's safe, the contents of which were so conventiently "deep sixed" by FBI Director Patrick Gray.)

George Bush is demonstrably one of the most important protagonists of the Watergate scandal, and was the overall director of Iran-contra. Since he appears especially in Iran-contra in close proximity to Bay of Pigs holdovers, it is surely legitimate to wonder when his association with those Bay of Pigs Cubans might have started.

1959 was the year that Bush started operating out of his Zapata Offshore headquarters in Houston; it was also the year that Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba. Officially, as we have seen, George was now a businessman whose work took him at times to Louisiana, where Zapata had offshore drilling operations. George must have been a frequent visitor to New Orleans. Because of his family's estate on Jupiter Island, he would also have been a frequent visitor to the Hobe Sound area. And then, there were Zapata Offshore drilling operations in the Florida Strait. On all of these activities, the official "red Studebaker" biographical material and the Zapata Offshore annual reports are extremely cryptic.

The Jupiter Island connection and father Prescott's Brown Brothers, Harriman/Skull and Bones networks are doubtless the key. Jupiter Island meant Averell Harriman, Robert Lovett, C. Douglas Dillon and other Anglophile financiers who had directed the US intelligence community long before there had been a CIA at all. And, in the back yard of the Jupiter Island Olympians, and under their direction, a powerful covert operations base was now being assembled, in which George Bush would have been present at the creation as a matter of birthright.

During 1959-60, Allen Dulles and the Eisenhower Administration began to assemble in south Florida the infrastructure for covert action against Cuba. This was the JM/WAVE capability, later formally constituted as the CIA Miami station. JM/WAVE was an operational center for the Eisenhower regime's project of staging an invasion of Cuba using a secret army of anti-Castro Cuban exiles organized, armed, trained, transported, and directed by the CIA. The Cubans, called Brigade 2506, were trained in secret camps in Guatemala, and they had air support from B-26 bombers based in Nicaragua. This invasion was crushed by Castro's defending forces in less than three days.

Before going along with the plan so eagerly touted by Allen Dulles, Kennedy had established the pre-condition that under no circumstances whatsoever would there be direct intervention by US military forces against Cuba. On the one hand, Dulles had assured Kennedy that the news of the invasion would trigger an insurrection which would sweep Castro and his regime away. On the other, Kennedy had to be concerned about provoking a global thermonuclear confrontation with the USSR, in the eventuality that N.S. Khrushchev decided to respond to a US Cuban gambit by, for example, cutting off US access to Berlin.

CONTINUED...

http://newsmine.org/archive/cabal-elite/families/bush-d...



Mehr licht!
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 09:18 AM
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67. This is great that google is hosting this video! Loose Change about 9/11
is also being hosted by Google!Another excellent documentary!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-20233208902249...
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blurp Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 08:44 AM
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38. Be glad it was covered up - seriously

Can you imagine how big a swing to the right there would have been had the people found out cuba/soviets were behind this?

Can you imagine WAR WITH THE SOVIETS?

There are some things the public just can't be let in on right away otherwise you get something like a NUCLEAR WAR.



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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:10 AM
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39. Glad about what? Cuba was BLAMED by CIA for "it."
The CIA told the Warren Commission that Lee Harvey Oswald had ties to Cuba and the Soviet Union and had met with their top assassin in Mexico City. One problem: That never happened. Here's the photo of the guy the CIA said was "Oswald."



Details here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/Cuba_and_the_...

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/hsca/lopezrpt/con...

http://spot.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/04th_I...

These treasonous turds WANTED war. They wanted war over Cuba. They wanted war with the Soviets.

Gee. In his time in office, all JFK did was work for peace.

Since his death, most presidents have done all they can for empire -- which means war.

I see nothing to be glad about.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:32 AM
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43. cuba/soviets did it? you haven't been paying attention
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ngGale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 09:36 AM
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44. K....eom
:patriot:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:27 PM
Response to Reply #44
58. NSAM 263 -- JFK orders all US forces out of Vietnam
A week after his assassination, LBJ signs NSAM 273 stating the US would do whatever it takes to preserve South Vietnam.

Early the next year, the Gulf of Tonkin incident is STAGED -- Operation NORTHWOODS without all the killing -- and we're into Vietnam and there's no turning back.

Seeing how The New York Times, Washington Post and ABCCNNBCBSFauxNoiseNutwork never bring this stuff up is why I thank the Good Lord I've got DU Friends like you, ngGale!

Background:



Papers reveal JFK efforts on Vietnam

By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | June 6, 2005

WASHINGTON -- Newly uncovered documents from both American and Polish
archives show that President John F. Kennedy and the Soviet Union
secretly sought ways to find a diplomatic settlement to the war in
Vietnam, starting three years before the United States sent combat
troops.

Kennedy, relying on his ambassador to India, John Kenneth Galbraith,
planned to reach out to the North Vietnamese in April 1962 through a
senior Indian diplomat, according to a secret State Department cable
that was never dispatched.

Back-channel discussions also were attempted in January 1963, this time
through the Polish government, which relayed the overture to Soviet
leaders. New Polish records indicate Moscow was much more open than
previously thought to using its influence with North Vietnam to cool a
Cold War flash point.

The attempts to use India and Poland as go-betweens ultimately fizzled,
partly because of North Vietnamese resistance and partly because
Kennedy faced pressure from advisers to expand American military
involvement, according to the documents and interviews with scholars.
Both India and Poland were members of the International Control
Commission that monitored the 1954 agreement that divided North and
South Vietnam.

The documents are seen by former Kennedy aides as new evidence of his
true intentions in Vietnam. The question of whether Kennedy would have
escalated the war or sought some diplomatic exit has been heatedly
debated by historians and officials who served under both Kennedy and
his successor, Lyndon B. Johnson.

CONTINUED...

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2... /



Thanks for giving a damn, ngGale!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:00 AM
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47. 
As some of his reward for killing Che.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:11 PM
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50. Didn't know! Well, it figures, absolutely.Bush family connections, and all
We weren't set up to believe our government could work like this in school, were we? That's probably why the biggest babies among us can't let go of those first impressions made in childhood.



They're reading Lynn Cheney's history rewrite, America. Can you imagine how our history will read, after right-wing ideologues completely overhaul it?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Thanks to Octafish for the excellent opening post. It's absolutely not to be missed.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:38 PM
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59. Lots of 'ex' CIA involved in 2000 Florida election...
Remember the guy who appeared before the Florida judge?



Back in the U.S.S.R.

"CIA" Helpful in Florida, Ukraine Elections

December 8,2004 -Venice, FL.
by Daniel Hopsicker

A retired CIA agent, whose illegal and unfettered access to election rolls in Martin County Florida was a major source of legal contention after the 2000 Election, traveled to the Ukraine four years earlier to teach grass-roots politics to people there, The MadCowMorningNews has learned.

The news came even as citizens in the Ukraine celebrate their new-found freedom, while in the U.S. suspicion continued to fester that vote fraud may have cost Americans their own right to free and honest elections.

In a bitterly ironic twist, Charles Kane, former Director of Security at the Central Intelligence Agency, and member of the Florida Republican Executive Committee, spent four days in Kiev, the capital of the former Soviet republic, hosting training sessions for Ukrainian political parties in 1996.

Institute officials chose Kane to go to the Ukraine, according to the February 20, 1996, Stuart/Port St. Lucie News, apparently straight-faced, because of his experience in grass-roots campaigns.

Four years later, Kanes credentials as a proponent of democracy were receiving much closer scrutiny...

CONTINUED...

http://www.madcowprod.com/12092004.html



Florida has been very, very good to the Bush Crime Family.

It's been very, very good for Felix Rodriguez, a made man.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 12:34 PM
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51. Thanks for all your hard work in keeping the perspective that
we didn't get here over night. There's a continuity between the current administration and the Kennedy assassinations. Crime and national security are so tightly bound together. This link talks about Abramoff and Lansky. Madcow also had some good reads on Cunningham that highlight the CIA aspects.

http://www.madcowprod.com/02072006.html
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 04:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
68. I Heart MadcowProd.com.
Hopsicker, too.

Here's some background from the late, great Mae Brussell:



How Nixon Actually Got Into Power

By Mae Brussell

From "The Realist", August, 1972

EXCERPT...

The Warfare State was set free, following November 22, 1963, to show its ugly face. The war in Asia began to escalate, with no noticeable provocations, only three weeks after the murder of President Kennedy. (7) John Foster Dulles was U.S. Secretary of State from 1953-1959. Before and following these years heading the State Department, this public servant wielded tremendous power and influence with the military and industrial monopolies of power and wealth in the world. He was the architect of "containing Communism."(8) Mr. Dulles confided, "President Eisenhower surrendered all his power to me." In 1956 he said, "Don't bother about what the President said. I write what he says.'(9) The State Department was "in my hat." You did not have to rely on the department or its bureaucracy. (10)

His brother, Allen Dulles, headed our spy agency formerly known as the OSS. As long as John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State, Allen Dulles had no need to "chafe under political control." Both brothers "placed supreme confidence in their personal judgments." They were completely trusted and were able to act at will and " shielded from any unpleasant consequences." (11) Adolph Hitler declared war in 1941. By 1942 Allen Dulles was moved to Switzerland for the purpose of rounding up and importing to the United States, German "specialists." Two years before the war ended, or its fate was decided, the United States was making arrangements for Nazi scientists, arms experts to come to our democracy (for which the boys were fighting and dying at that moment). (12)

From 1945 until 1952 the U.S. military brought over 642 alien "specialists" and their families from nazi Germany. They were known collectively by the code name "paperclip." German missile and rocket experts, munition makers, war experts were carefully selected and located into aerospace programs, war industries, armament factories, defense and warfare manufacturing.(13)

Violent anti-communist fears by the military and munition makers justified the exchange for a once democratic nation into the fascist state we have today. Members of the nazi party now hold key positions in our universities, factories, aircraft and aerospace programs.(14) When the nazi empire collapsed in 1945, ex-nazi General Reinhard Gehlen joined forces with our OSS. Gehlen was placed in charge of wartime intelligence for Foreign Armies East. "It was not long before Gehlen was back in business, this time for the United States. Gehlen named his price and terms."'(15) A series of meetings was arranged at the Pentagon with nazi Gehlen, Allen Dulles, J. Edgar Hoover and others.(16) The Gehlen organization combined forces and agents with the OSS, which was soon to become known as the CIA. Experts in clandestine and illegal control of Germany through political assassinations and reversal of judicial processes became the new teachers for Allen Dulles and Richard Helms. They helped form the new CIA in 1947, based upon clandestine activities in nazi Germany.(17)

Espionage networks were supposedly to spy out secrets of other nations. Instead they have secretly engaged in clandestine political actions, stirred revolts, overthrown governments and attempted to bring about political change.

The method of maintaining billion dollar war machines and related armament and aircraft factories requires controlling people, political leaders, and otherwise legal governmental agencies. The Communist scare, hot war and cold war propaganda, would continue to manipulate the majority of the people. This scare was the brainchild of the fascist strategist

CONTINUED...

http://parascope.com/articles/1196/nazis.htm



Thank you for giving a damn and seeing how these turds have a historical influence onAmerican politics, donkeyotay.



"What monsters?"
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 04:14 PM
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55. Here's the problem Octafish...
People, even if confronted with massive and documented evidence, will reject any theory that would threaten their comfortable world-view.

Example:

Yesterday I went to a hearing to try to stop paperless, touchscreen voting machines from being rammed down our throats here in Pittsburgh.

Before the meeting, I talked to some of the other activists. Now, they agreed that:

1.) The Federal Government, especially Republican US Congress, was jamming these things down our throats.

2.) That a Voter Verified Paper Trail was being prevented at the state level on a Republican partisan basis.

3.) That Diebold has lied on several occasions about the security of their machines.

And on and on.

But guess what? I was the only one there that believed that this rapid introduction of questionable voting equipment was part of a plot to neutralize Democracy in the United States. "You're giving them too much credit" was the most common response.

And that's what we're up against.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-08-06 10:53 PM
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61. Maybe the argument should be framed in a way that implies....
that neoconservative Republicans are arranging things so that accidents can happen. For example, there may not be a coordinated plan to neutralize democracy (at least few Republicans would even consider or admit to this argument) but there is documented evidence which shows that if hackers make the attempt, then they can easily break the security of these systems. So are we going to just sit back and use the honor system when it comes to our democracy? We've already seen, especially in the 2000 election, how fiercely Bush supporters will pull every trick they can when the race is close. By the 2004 election, they had time to refine their methods.

In the conflict with Castro, the militarization of China, the arming of the mujahedeen, and the ability to wage preemptive wars...again they've pulled every trick they can think of to get where we are today.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 06:21 AM
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62. That, of course, is the position we all take in public...
When the hearing actually started, I had the good sense to not mention that the evidence is clear that elections ARE being rigged, just that they COULD be rigged.

But if you peek behind the curtain, which is Octafish's M.O., it's clear that a small group of wealthy, extreme RW figures are conducting a magnificent puppet show that has replaced what used to be the American experiment in democracy. May it rest in peace.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 04:22 PM
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69. Many people believe only what they are comfortable with believing.
Your problem reaching people concerned with clean elections is most alarming. In communiations, I've found it's almost impossible to bring in alien ideas without first going through a process of indoctrination -- not brainwashing, but rather teaching.

The ancient Greeks called this rhetoric -- the study of pursuasive speech. In marketing communications, it's building a bridge from what is known, using common ground and language. Once that basic understanding is established, we can introduce the new terms and take them to the promised land.

It's almost as if the problem is destroying the world view our holographic minds create. Over time, we build a picture of our universe and we believe this mental contruct matches reality. When a new piece of information comes in -- especially when it doesn't fit with the preconceived notions -- is almost automatically rejected.

Good stuff on rhetoric:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-rhetoric /

Here's a bit on the holographic universe:

http://www.crystalinks.com/holographic.html

Thank you for never giving up, Junkdrawer. When it comes to democracy, you are doing the heavy lifting.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 07:52 PM
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72. Thanks Octafish.
Edited on Thu Feb-09-06 08:31 PM by Junkdrawer
:toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 06:34 AM
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63. In the latest edition of
The Nation (2-20-06), there is an article by Max Holland, "The JFK Lawyer's Conspiracy." At the end of the first paragraph, Holland writes, "The combined efforts of these lawyers produced an imperfect report in September, 1964, although its fundamental findings have never been seriously impeached."

Hopefully, The Nation will publish my brief response, which seriously impeaches the findings of the Warren Commission in four sentences.
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i miss america Donating Member (822 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 08:21 AM
Response to Reply #63
66. Wow! Even in 2006, the disinformation campaign is alive and well
I hope the publication has the integrity to publish responsible criticisms and corrections.

What trash!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-09-06 04:42 PM
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70. Please, what are the four sentences?
Regarding The Nation: Those turds haven't said "Boo" about treason since 22 November 1963.

I think they're scared.


What somebody observed about The Nation's funding:



ALTERNATIVE MEDIA CENSORSHIP:
SPONSORED BY CIA's FORD FOUNDATION?


http://www.questionsquestions.net/gatekeepers.html


THE NATION's NED Connectionpart 1

http://www.questionsquestions.net/feldman/nation_ned_1....



That's probably old hat to you, H20 Man. It's news to most of America -- especially the progressive majority.

BTW: I've been to your blogspot. Gee. I fee like Voltaire when he wrote Rousseau:

"One feels like crawling on all fours after reading your work."

Alas, I repeat myself...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:27 AM
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75. I used Tip O'Neill's
moment of awakening on this .... Tip had believed the Warren Report, and felt those who questioned it were fools, until he shared a meal with Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell in 1968. One assumes from his telling of the story that the men were together after the death of RFK, just two months after MKL was killed. The topic turned to Dallas, and both Kennedy aides told how they knew two shots came from the Grassy Knoll. They told the FBI investigators, who pressured them to lie to the Warren Commission for the good of the family and country. When he was writing his book years later, Kenny had passed away, but Tip checked with Powers. The truth had not changed.

I've mentioned before that when my oldest son was in high school, his social studies teacher savaged the movie "JFK." When a couple students debated him, he tossed out a challenge, some nonsense that implied he could easily debunk any theory that any student brought to class. My son brought Tip's book, and showed the teacher page 211. The teacher refused to let my son mention it in class. Of course, outside class my son showed other students, and the teacher was fully discredited.

Either the WC or O'Neill was correct about the truth about Dallas. The WC was based on a foundation of purposeful lies, while Tip exposed those lies. Two shots from the Grassy Knoll can only mean a conspiracy. Pressuring eye witnesses to lie is part of that conspiracy.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 01:04 AM
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73. can you post your response here?
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:11 AM
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74. I did not save
a copy of it .... but any investigation that requires two eye witnesses being pressured to lie "for the good of the country" is absolutely compromised.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 09:50 AM
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76. JFK - MLK assasination connection
Oswald's killer Jack Ruby has been seen numerous time with "Raoul", MLK's killer. Both are mafia.


Jury rules King assassination a conspiracy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 12:05 PM
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78. FBI tried to get Dr. King to commit suicide.
Here's the letter:



Source:

http://www.oilempire.us/cointelpro.html

The Big Picture:

http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm

The CIA hired the Mafia to hit Castro. They used Howard Hughes/Richard Nixon's main man, Robert Maheu.

And to think so many DUers don't think their government is capable of conspiracy.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-11-06 10:22 AM
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77. The report was listed under international/anti-fascism
Going back and re-reading the 2005 SOTU address, I found this quote:

> The liberation of Europe from fascism was only a dream -- until it was achieved.


http://www.c-span.org/executive/transcript.asp?cat=curr...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-13-06 12:14 PM
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79. Nixon said the Warren Commission was 'the greatest hoax perpetuated.'
The old unindicted co-conspirator probably was thinking "perpetrated."

From a BBC programme:



Kennedy's assassination

In the same conversation, Nixon gave new fodder for conspiracy theorists who question whether Lee Harvey Oswald was the only shooter involved in the assassination of President John Kennedy.

Referring to the report by the Warren Commission, "it was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated," Nixon said. He did not elaborate why he questioned the report.

The tapes also record a conversation between President Nixon and former Treasury Secretary John Connally who was in the car with President Kennedy when he was killed.

It contains graphic details of the shooting.

"I was lying... down on (wife) Nellie's lap like this to shield her head on top of me and I had my eyes open and I heard that bullet hit his head ... I knew he was dead," Mr Connally said.



Source:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/americas/1848157.stm
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