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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:12 PM
Original message
Chavez asked for and received "special presidential powers" for a period of 18 months:
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 06:13 PM by originalpckelly
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/news/nation/16492946.htm

"CARACAS - Venezuela's legislature on Thursday gave initial approval to a bill giving President Hugo Chávez extremely broad powers to rule by decree for 18 months on a wide range of social, political and economic issues.

Chávez has called the measure ''the mother law of revolutionary law'' -- the legal basis for furthering the turn to the radical left that he undertook after his Dec. 3 landslide election to a second six-year term.

A similar ''enabling law'' in 2000-2001 allowed the president to issue 49 decree-laws, which triggered a bitter three-year political conflict and saw Chávez briefly ousted in a 2002 coup."

That's even worse than the freaking "Patriot Act". Imagine if Bush came to the Congress and asked to rule by decree. YIKES!
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:14 PM
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1. another duplicate thread
keep poking it with a stick
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:16 PM
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4. No, it can't be, at least in GD. I searched...
the only stories on Chavez are about Fidel Castro. This story just came out 7 hours ago.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:26 PM
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10. This story came out days ago
the reason for this is to take back the nation's resources from the big US companies which "privatized" Venezuela's resources.

Chavez is going after electricity and telephone and cable.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:27 PM
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12. No, that's not the story. The story is that Chavez has the power to rule...
by decree.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:35 PM
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20. which is how he will get back Venezuela's resources
Only by decree can he eliminate the autonomy of the Central Bank authority and end foreign ownership of Venezuela's crude oil refineries and other resources.

People in Venezuela aren't upset. Only wingers in the US are going around screaming Dictator.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:39 PM
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23. Excuse me, but I consider any person with the ability to rule...
without checks and balances at least an authoritarian, if not a dictator.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 12:00 AM
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48. While it isn't a duplicate from GD, where I searched for a dupe...
it is a dupe from Latest Breaking News. I'm terribly sorry, but hey, not everyone goes to LBN.
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cool user name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:15 PM
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2. I'm a socialist and I don't agree with Chavez on this ...
The power is with the people. I'm starting to see Chavez as a Leninist.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:22 PM
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9. I didn't even know he'd done this before...
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 06:23 PM by originalpckelly
Why take power away from the national assembly and give it to a single man? That's an undemocratic move.

I was on the fence recently about him because I actually read about the rights in the Bolivarian Constitution, and if they'd uphold it, it sounds like a better one than ours, at least from the perspective of rights.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:15 PM
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3. Good for him...
he's going to need it to fight off the oil-barons.:toast:
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:17 PM
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5. Yeah, and throw checks and balances out the window.
Seriously, would you allow even a Democratic President to do this in America?

Don't you think there are going to be some abuses of this power?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:27 PM
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11. I wouldn't worry...
Leftist leaders of countries that don't do play well with American business interests don't last long.
Friendly Dictators
by Dennis Bernstein and Laura Sydell
Eclipse Enterprises, 1995

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dictators/Friendly_Di...

MAKING THE WORLD SAFE FOR HYPOCRISY
(This article is from the book DIRTY TRUTHS
written by MICHAEL PARENTI)
Why has the United States government supported counterinsurgency in Colombia, Guatemala, El Salvador, and many other places around the world, at such a loss of human life to the populations of those nations? Why did it invade tiny Grenada and then Panama? Why did it support mercenary wars against progressive governments in Nicaragua, Mozambique, Angola, Ethiopia, Afghanistan, Indonesia, East Timor, Western Sahara, South Yemen, and elsewhere? Is it because our leaders want to save democracy? Are they concerned about the well-being of these defenseless peoples? Is our national security threatened? I shall try to show that the arguments given to justify U.S. policies are false ones. But this does not mean the policies themselves are senseless. American intervention may seem "wrongheaded" but, in fact, it is fairly consistent and horribly successful.

The history of the United States has been one of territorial and economic expansionism, with the benefits going mostly to the U.S. business class in the form of growing investments and markets, access to rich natural resources and cheap labor, and the accumulation of enormous profits. The American people have had to pay the costs of empire, supporting a huge military establishment with their taxes, while suffering the loss of jobs, the neglect of domestic services, and the loss of tens of thousands of American lives in overseas military ventures.
--------------------------------------
All this is common knowledge to progressive critics of U.S policy, but most Americans would be astonished to hear of it. They have been taught that, unlike other nations, their country has escaped the sins of empire and has been a champion of peace and justice among nations. This enormous gap between what the United States does in the world and what Americans think their nation is doing is one of the great propaganda accomplishments of the dominant political mythology. It should be noted, though, that despite the endless propaganda barrage emanating from official sources and the corporate-owned major media, large sectors of the public have throughout U.S. history displayed an anti-interventionist sentiment, an unwillingness to commit U.S. troops to overseas actions-a sentiment facilely labeled "isolationism" by the interventionists.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Global_Secrets_Lies/hypocrisy_Parenti.html
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:30 PM
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14. Why is it that you can only think I support our policy?
Can't you expand your view of the world and maybe possibly understand that not everyone who opposes Chavez supports the other more fascist-like dictators in South America? (And our nation's policy of supporting them?)

How about a South America without absolutist politics, where people can disagree without having to suffer because of it?

In many of these countries, no one has respect for alternate viewpoints, whether on the left or the right.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:50 PM
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33. because I read?
"killing field" in the Americas:
US policy in Guatemala
The early history
The harsh realities of present day Guatemala sprouted from the bitter seeds that were planted in its early history. Spanish conquistador Pedro de Alvarada (1485-1541) began the conquest and subjugation of the Mayan city-states in the 1500s. Land ownership, mineral production, and agriculture were organized to benefit the Spanish. Although independence came in 1821, foreign control of huge banana and coffee plantations continued the patterns that developed in the colonial period, and Indian lands continued to be confiscated.

In the 1920s, after a century of involvement in agriculture in Guatemala and the export of its food crops, the US established military missions in all Latin American countries. Guatemala's military was tied to the US military through training, aid, and a commitment to protect US economic interests, and the Army became a major force.
United Fruit Company
Under dictator Jorqe Ubico (1931-1944), American-owned United Fruit Company (UFC) gained control of forty-two percent of Guatemala's land, and was exempted from taxes and import duties. The three main enterprises in Guatemala -- United Fruit Company, International Railways of Central America, and Empress Electrica -- were American-owned (and controlled by United Fruit Company). Seventy-seven percent of all exports went to the US and sixty-five percent of imports came from the US.
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United Fruit, Eisenhower and the end of reform
United Fruit was a state within the Guatemalan state. It not only owned all of Guatemala's banana production and monopolized banana exports, it also owned the country's telephone and telegraph system, and almost all of the railroad track. In addition to redistributing United Fruit land, the government also began competing with United Fruit in the production and export of bananas.

Important people in the ruling circles of the US, involved with United Fruit Company, used their influence to convince the US government to step in. (Secretary of State John Foster Dulles' law firm had prepared United Fruit's contracts with Guatemala; his brother, CIA Director Allen Dulles, belonged to United Fruit's law firm; John Moors Cabot, Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs, was the brother of a former United Fruit president; President Eisenhower's personal secretary was married to the head of United Fruit's Public Relations Department.)

In 1954, Eisenhower and Dulles decided that Arbenz finally had to go, and the US State Department labeled Guatemala "communist". On this pretext, US aid and equipment were provided to the Guatemalan Army. The US also sent a CIA army and CIA planes. They bombed a military base and a government radio station, and overthrew Arbenz Guzmán, who fled to Cuba.

The coup restored the stranglehold on the Guatemalan economy of both the landed elite and US economic interests. President Eisenhower was willing to make the poor, illiterate Guatemalan peasants pay in hunger and torture for supporting land reform, and for trying to attain a better future for themselves and their families. In order to ensure ever-increasing profits for an American corporation, the US State Department, the CIA, and United Fruit Company had succeeded in taking freedom and land from Guatemala's peasants, unions from its workers, and hope for a democratic Guatemala from all of its people.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/US_Guat.html


http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2255
100 (Plus) Years of Regime Change
George Bush is just the last of a long, long line
by Robert Sherrill
Illustration by Matt Wuerker
Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change
From Hawaii to Iraq
By Stephen Kinzer
Times Books: Henry Holt and Company
=====================================
Overthrow is an infuriating recitation of our government’s military bullying over the past 110 years—a century of interventions around the world that resulted in the overthrow of 14 governments—in Hawaii, Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Vietnam, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Panama, Chile, Iran, Grenada, Afghanistan, and … Iraq.

Stephen Kinzer, who spent years on various front lines for The New York Times, calls these regime changes “catastrophic victories,” but of course some were more catastrophic than others.
Most of these coups were triggered by foreign combatants and then taken over and finished by us. But four of them, in many ways the worst of the lot, were all our own, from conspiracy to conclusion. “American agents engaged in complex, well-financed campaigns to bring down the governments of Iran, Guatemala, South Vietnam, and Chile. None would have fallen—certainly not in the same way or at the same time—if Washington had not acted as it did.


Death Squads in El Salvador:
A Pattern of U.S. Complicity
by David Kirsch
Covert Action Quarterly, Summer 1990
In 1963, the U.S. government sent 10 Special Forces personnel to El Salvador to help General Jose Alberto Medrano set up the Organizacion Democratica Nacionalista (ORDEN)-the first paramilitary death squad in that country. These Green Berets assisted in the organization and indoctrination of rural "civic" squads which gathered intelligence and carried out political assassinations in coordination with the Salvadoran military.
Now, there is compelling evidence to show that for over 30 years, members of the U.S. military and the CIA have helped organize, train, and fund death squad activity in El Salvador.
In the last eight years, six Salvadoran military deserters have publicly acknowledged their participation in the death squads. Their stories are notable because they not only confirm suspicions that the death squads are made up of members of the Salvadoran military, but also because each one implicates U.S. personnel in death squad activity.
The term "death squad" while appropriately vivid, can be misleading because it obscures their fundamental identity. Evidence shows that "death squads" are primarily military or paramilitary units carrying out political assassinations and intimidation as part of the Salvadoran government's counterinsurgency strategy. Civilian death squads do exist but have often been comprised of off-duty soldiers financed by wealthy Salvadoran businessmen.
==============================================
It is important to point out that the use of death squads has been a strategy of U.S. counterinsurgency doctrine. For example, the CIA's "Phoenix Program" was responsible for the "neutralization" of over 40,000 Vietnamese suspected of working with the National Liberation Front.
Part of the U.S. counterinsurgency program was run from the Office of Public Safety (OPS). OPS was part of U.S. AID, and worked with the Defense Department and the CIA to modernize and centralize the repressive capabilities of client state police forces, including those in El Salvador. In 1974 Congress ordered the discontinuation of OPS.
David Kirsh is author of the booklet, "Central America Without Crying Uncle." It is available from Primer Project, 107 Mosswood Court, Chapel Hill, NC 27516.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/US_ThirdWorld/deathsquads_ElSal.html



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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. You've made the assumption that I blindly support our policy toward...
South America. I don't, but I also don't support any single person having that much power in any country.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:17 PM
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6. And he has 100% of support in Congress...
There is no opposition, he certainly doesn't need this powers.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:34 PM
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19. ¿Que estan diciendo en San José ahora sobre esto?
:hi: ¿Todo bien tuanis? Acabo de volver de España... no quería salir. :cry:


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:17 PM
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7. Special presidential powers? Copy cat.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:18 PM
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8. I know, it sounds like the "Patriot Act" only even worse.
I can't believe anyone would allow a single person to have that much power. Even Bush doesn't have that much.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:31 PM
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15. Keep wringing your hands and saying 'bigbusiness good Chavez bad'
Oh dear, Chavez is taking back Venezuela's privatized natural resources from the rich elite. Oh woe is us!

How dare he!!!!

That lowlife should go back to the ghetto and stop butting into the lives of the rich elite.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. There is a difference between not supporting a dictator...
and supporting fascists from our own country.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:30 PM
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13. Why would they do that?
All 176 members of the Venezuelan legislature are members of Chavez's party. He already gets anything he asks for. Why would that be necessary? They're just being lazy. Apparently they have no concern that he may do something wrong. I'm a big fan of Chavez and I love his policies but this man should have been retired several years ago. No man should have that much power. The potential for disaster is too great. Power corrupts, and I see it as only a matter of time before he becomes a problem. He should leave now, while he is still capable of giving up power peacefully. I fear a civil war may start otherwise.
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Cruzan Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:31 PM
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16. Enabling Act
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:31 PM
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17. Thanks For The Story. It Helps To Further Solidify My Lack Of Respect For Him And Remind Me
of why I hold that position to begin with.

Sometimes, when I see the amount of rah rah chavez worshipers come out in masses, I begin to question whether I'm being too critical, since it is wise sometimes to question ones beliefs when outnumbered that greatly by those who disagree with them. But it is equally wise to be able to stick by ones position after having questioned them and objectively re-evaluated them and coming to a similar conclusion.

What you just posted gives me even more confidence in my beliefs that those that rah rah him have blinders on while giving me more confidence in my own perception.

Thanks.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:38 PM
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21. I think the problem is that there are people blindly following him and...
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 06:38 PM by originalpckelly
people blindly opposing him without looking at the facts.

He's not Hitler, he's not killed millions of people, but he is an authoritarian, especially since he now has these special presidential powers.

He may have a point in saying that American companies and the American government sucks for supporting corrupt and truly awful people in South America, but on the other hand he's still an authoritarian and we really shouldn't be supporting any type of authoritarian regime. We need to respect the various peoples of South America if we want that respect in turn. One must be nice to one's neighbors in order to have them like you.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. "He's not Hitler"...
He's not Hitler, he's not killed millions of people


Keep in mind that Hitler didn't begin killing millions of people until after he'd been given the authority to rule by decree.

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. True indeed. True indeed...
but I don't exactly want to use that type of inflammatory rhetoric.
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John Gauger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:48 PM
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25. It's important to be able to do that.
It's important to be able to reevaluate your own beliefs when you find yourself outnumbered by a differing position. But it is also important to resist the pressure of the majority and use only logic in your evaluation of your position. I am a big fan of Chavez and love what he is doing for the poor of Venezuela and other countries. He's my favorite world leader. But his time has passed. He is grabbing at power all too rapaciously. His policies feeding, housing, and educating the poor, diversifying and strengthening the economy, resisting corporate domination of the Third World, and relieving debt of exploited nations should be continued, but he should retire as soon as possible. He is human, and as such his flaws make that amount of power dangerous. Put him in charge of an NGOthat works to eliminate poverty or something, or just give him a nice little farm where he can be surrounded by the people who love him, but don't let him take that nation any closer to dictatorship. I think I would make a great world leader, but if I ever become one and start grabbing at power like that, depose me. Make sure I don't plunge my nation into a crisis.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:17 PM
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27. Me too.
Being among a lot of people on the far side of the spectrum skews my view and I begin to question certain beliefs.

This definitely balances the equation.

No good leader of the people does what Chavez and his legislature just did.

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:38 PM
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22. Same old shit all over again. So I guess the legislature in Venezuela
does not own any history books?

I won't hold my breath that these powers only last 18 months.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 06:40 PM
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24. It's always the same song and dance in every country...
thankfully in America it looks like the tape had a defect and the music has stopped, even though some people are still dancing.
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:15 PM
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26. Bush has ruled by decree 750 times in the last six years and he didn't even ask for permission.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:18 PM
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28. And I oppose that as well. Are you implying it is OK for Chavez to do it...
because Bush did it?
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Monk06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:38 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. No. I just found the irony too good to pass up.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 07:40 PM
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32. Getcha.
:hi:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 08:20 PM
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35. Democracy in action. Chavez and the legislature were elected.
Just like here. If the people don't like the laws passed by Chavez and their elected reps they can vote them out.

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:14 PM
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36. Uh, hello? This allows him to rule by decree...
you know last time I checked there was thing this called "separation of powers", and I'm going to go out on a limb and say that one man having the ability to legislate by himself is probably not an example of separation of powers.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Take it up with the elected legislators in Venezuela.
Or, do you disagree with democratic government?

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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:44 PM
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38. No government may call itself democratic when it has handed near absolute power to one person.
I would never approve of even a President of the Democratic Party having that sort of power in America, and for good reason. One person cannot possibly know what is best for more than even a few million let alone the entire 26 million of Venezuela.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-20-07 01:01 AM
Response to Reply #38
49. So, what do you call "democratic"?
The people of Venezuela elected their government. They elected Hugo Chavez and the legislators that support him and his initiatives. So, if the American people "democratically" elect Dick Cheney and legislators that they also elected and they "democratically" give him dictatorial powers, is it still not a "democratic" choice of the people?

By the way, as an anarchist, I agree with you, only in the sense that no "leader" should have all power, nor a group of "leaders" no matter how "democratically" they achieve power.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #37
39. Amis INSIST on looking at things
through their own lenses OBLIVIOUS to the idea that another lens might provide another view. I'm amused by the wringing of hands every time Chavez burps or farts. It leads me to ask, "What the fuck do y'all care anyway??? His "dictatorial powers" are the purview of the Venezuelans. Don't you have your OWN DICKTATOR PROBLEMS to attend to??? Your country is TANKING and you're up in arms about someone who has sent aid to your poor when your own gub'mint was more than willing to allow them to DIE of hypothermia."

Chavez KNOWS the CIA is chomping at the bit to take him out. He wants to cement certain reforms. His people have now given him the means to do so. I wish him all the best and that he be guided by enlightened forces. We are no more than spectators here. Remember Attaturk.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 09:53 PM
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40. I think it shows a lack of compassion for other people to encourage this...
The absolutist politics of many countries in South America is a grave problem and has lead to suffering on the part of people from South American countries. These are our neighbors and we ought to care about them.

Just because I do not support a quasi-dictatorship in Venezuela, does not mean I support Bush or the foreign policy of America toward Venezuela. Actually, I disapprove of it, because no one can advise the people of Venezuela against absolutism without critics in America or in Venezuela airing skepticism.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #40
47. There is rampant ignorance
of Latin American history in the U.S. You've been around for a bit, have you not yet read Smedley Butler or Howard Zinn? Yes, they are your neighbors and the WALL that's been proposed, in response to your corporations running amok in their countries, crashing their cultures, systems and economies, to protect you from their presence on your soil says everything anyone needs to know about how much you collectively "care" about their suffering. NOT YOU personally, YOU collectively.

Venezuelans don't give a flying fuck what YOU think of their government. *Dimson doesn't give a flying fuck how YOU think your own gub'mint should behave. You may want to focus your attention on that.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:32 PM
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41. Peace OUT, originalpckelly!!1 Take care 'cause you will be FLAMED!!1
Edited on Fri Jan-19-07 11:02 PM by UTUSN
If you (and I ) attack SAINT Hugo and SAINT Fidel and SAINT Che and SAINT LOPEZ-OBRADOR we will be ATTACKED as:

* (GASP) DLCers

* trolls

* freepers

* corporatist/capitalists

* SATAN HIM OR HER SELF!!!!!!1


-----------NO--ABSOLUTELY NO-------links from Google will be acknowledged as legitimate. ANY newspaper, foreign or domestic, will be DISMISSED WITH CONTEMPT as a Rightwing RAG!!!1 Including the ASSOCIATED PRESS!!1

PURITY!!!1 There must be PURITY!!!1 Absolutely NO Democratic personage can be acceptable--------NO Hillary, OBAMA, BIDEN, DODD, BAYH, KERRY, ----------absolutely NObody is acceptable!!!1 It must be some GODDAMNED, ideological, propagandist FUCKING SAINT!!!!1


MY only criterion is to wonder: Do I want to LIVE under some FUCKING ASSHOLE raving on the airwaves for THREE FUCKING HOURS at a time? Giving me the benefit of ASSHOLE OPINIONS with the POWER to LOCK ME AWAY??????? I don't want it from SHRUB!!!1 much less from ----OTHER--------SAME-----------FUCKING BULLIES!!!!!!!1

And I FULLY ACCEPT that if other countries-------Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, whomever--------WANT to live UNDER AN ASSHOLE---------MORE POWER to them. I don't want to go do a SHRUB AGGRESSTION. For the POPULACE OVER THERE--------SORRY!!!!1 It's YOUR problem, but I will NOT kiss your (IDIOT ELECTORS over there) fucking asses HERE!!!1
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:35 PM
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42. You seem to not like Chavez much.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:43 PM
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43. Did I mis-read YOU???!!1 Do YOU???!!1 n/t
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:45 PM
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44. I was trying to master understatement.
I failed. I'm not a fan of him, nor of any authoritarian figure in the world.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:50 PM
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46. Thank you. You might understand, I've been SINGED so much...
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:48 PM
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45. So much for the great hero of Democracy that so many DUers fell for.
Remember, the enemy of my enemy can still be the bad guys.
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