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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:43 PM
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Where was Nixon when JFK was shot? He seemed to have some memory troubles with that question...
He claimed he left two days before the assassination, but a UPI report of him in Dallas one day before assassination refutes that. There's more on Nixon, November 22, 1963, the watergate tapes, and a fascinating interview of Jack Ruby by Earl Warren, Gerald Ford, Arlen Specter, and Leon Jawarski in this hour long show. Here's Part 1 and Part 2. You might want to download the mp3 files before listening to them (they tended to skip when I listened to them straight off of the website). It's an interesting follow up to Octafish's excellent post addressing Poppy's whereabouts that day.

Happy listening! :D
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:48 PM
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1. "coincidentally" at least two post-JFK Repubbie Presidents
"can't remember" where they were when Kennedy was shot, even though, "coincidentally," they both seemed to be in Texas....
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:53 PM
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3. Yup, Nixon was in Texas for a couple of days...
before the assassination. Pretty much a matter of public record now.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:20 PM
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4. Imagine how much the world would change...
...if we actually incorporated all the information in the public record into the realm of what is acceptable for public personalities to discuss. Our society functions like a computer with a 200 terabyte hard drive and 20 kilobytes of RAM...19 kb of which is permanently allocated for infotainment and spin.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 08:51 PM
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2. In drawing room
with Col. Mustard.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:29 PM
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5. What do you know about Madeline Duncan Brown?
I watched this video earlier this year - she purports to be LBJ's mistress and I think says she say Nixon and others at a meeting the night before the assassination. I hope we find out in my life time what the hell happened down there.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 11:34 PM
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12. I'm not familiar with her :-/
Anyone else know her claims? Here's something worth mention regarding both LBJ and Nixon:

Thanks to tapes of White House conversations that have been released to the public in recent years, we now know that the man who appointed the Warren Commission -- President Lyndon Johnson -- did not believe its conclusions. On Sept. 18, 1964, the last day the panel met, commission member Sen. Richard Russell phoned Johnson, his old political protg, to tell him he did not believe the single-bullet theory, the key to the commission's finding that Oswald acted alone. "I don't either," Johnson told him.


Blunt skepticism about the Warren Report was a bipartisan affair, with leaders on both sides of the aisle airily dismissing its conclusions. On a White House tape recording, President Nixon is heard telling aides that the Warren Report "was the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated." One of Nixon's top aides, White House chief of staff H.R. "Bob" Haldeman, shared his boss' skepticism. In his 1978 memoir, "The Ends of Power," Haldeman, who "had always been intrigued with the conflicting theories of the assassination," recalls that when the Nixon team moved into the White House in 1969, he felt that they finally "would be in a position to get all the facts." But Nixon, perhaps wary of where all those facts would lead, rejected Haldeman's suggestion.

I guess Poppy didn't hear about that.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:43 PM
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6. Nixon was in Dallas, at a Pepsi function.
Edited on Tue Jan-16-07 09:44 PM by keepCAblue

At the time of John F. Kennedy's assassination, Nixon was attending a Pepsi convention in Dallas. Nixon, Mudge, Rose, Guthrie & Alexander, the law firm of which he was senior partner, was in charge of managing the Pepsi account.

Coincidentally (or not), Pepsi was one of the U.S. companies which was threatened by Castro's take-over of Cuba, along with Bush's Sugar company and others. These companies are said to have wanted Castro assassinated and were complicit with the CIA (read: Bush) as well as the Mafia, whose help Bush, while a covert CIA agent, routinely enlisted to help carry out political assassinations. Nixon, too, had many Mob connections.
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:52 PM
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11. Why can't the uber-rich spend their time plotting world peace instead of endless war?
I guess the yield on the post-Cold War "Peace Dividend" wasn't cutting it :eyes:
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:47 PM
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7. Nixon was in Dallas 11-22-63 meeting with PepsiCo's Donald M. Kendall.
Donald M. Kendall may have sold soft drinks but he was as hard a RWer as Joseph Coors or Josef Goebbels or his good friend Henry Kissinger.

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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:40 PM
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10. Speaking of Goebbels, here's a couple interesting Nixon/Nazi fun-facts
This is a NY Times Op-ed from 1988 by Russ Bellant on the fascists playing a role in GHWB's presidential campaign:

The fourth ethnic leader expelled from the Bush campaign was Laszlo
Pasztor, who founded the Heritage Groups Council in 1969 with the
encouragement of Richard Nixon
. It was Mr. Pasztor's job to select the
groups and leaders that formed the G.O.P.'s first permanent outreach to
ethnic America.

Mr. Pasztor worked as an embassy aide in Berlin for the militantly pro-Nazi
Arrow Cross government, which was installed in Hungary in 1944. (He has
since said that he regrets his involvement.)

When he began selecting people for the Heritage Council, Mr. Pasztor
frequently selected those with backgrounds like his. And when he helped
form Mr. Nixon's ethinc campaign group for the 1972 election, he opened the
doors to numerous people with a Nazi collaborationist past, including some
accused of war crimes
. One of them, Boleslavs Maikovskis, recently sought
asylum in West Germany to avoid deportation to the Soviet Union. A United
States court ordered him deported in 1984 for concealing his involvement in
war crimes in Nazi-occupied Latvia.


According to John Loftus's The Secret War Against the Jews: How Western Espionage Betrayed the Jewish People (which is a must read if only for its coverage of the GOP's fascists connections), back in 1952, Nixon helped start the GOP's ethnic division within the RNC. In 1953, the immigration laws were changed to allow ex-Nazis into the US, including former members of the SS, which is where a lot of the folks kicked off GHWB's 1988 came from (they were adept at propaganda, in part from working at Radio Liberty and Radio Free Europe, which had become a infested with Nazis at the time).

In 1968, Nixon promised these guys that if he won the election he would make these Ethnic Outreach committees permanant, since they were only formed for presidential election years. In 1972, that was done by GHWB while he was head of the RNC.

Interestingly, according to the Ukrainian Weekly, the RNC restarted it's Ethnic Outreach Committees in 2004 after a long hiatus.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 09:54 PM
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8. Let's dig him up and put him on trial.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-16-07 10:16 PM
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9. Nixon's three versions of his whereabouts...
From the late L. Fletcher Prouty (a distinguished military man whose work to uncover truth about the assassination of President Kennedy has been almost completely ignored by Corporate McPravda):

This article is from "People and the PURSUIT of the Truth" for June, 1978

EXCERPT (The Three Stories of Tricky Mr. Nixon's whereabouts)...


Now let's compare these. Nixon was in Dallas on November 22. The versions agree that he took some plane out in the morning Bishop says it was American Airlines and that it went into Idlewild. Nixon says that it landed precisely at 12:56 nearly one half-hour after Kennedy had been shot. Certainly the crew would have heard over their radio that the president had been shot and would have told their passengers. Then Bishop says reporters and photographers were there. Certainly they too would have known about Kennedy's murder by then. Everyone else in the world did. Bishop says the photographers took pictures. Where are they?

Nixon says he traveled to New York from Dallas with a friend. Who? And what is his story?

Nixon says he got in a cab, presumably well after 12:56. What cabbie in New York City would have not known the news by then? And then Nixon tells a strange story. The first time a man ran out to the cab with the news, and the second time the cab was "lost" and a woman ran out screaming and crying the news. These different accounts do not hold water.

With all of this very contrived series of accounts it looks as though someone has been fabricating a cover-up of Nixon's actions that day. Why?

The True Story

Actually, Nixon was in Dallas when JFK was shot. On April 2nd 1975 a young man was listening to a talk at his school when he heard the lecturer tell about the Esquire account of Nixon's trip to Dallas, and how and when Nixon had learned about JFK's death. That young man then told the lecturer, "My father was an executive for the Pepsi Cola Company, and he was in Dallas on November 22nd 1963 at that convention. He has told me that Nixon was there in Dallas at the convention when the announcement was heard that JFK had been killed, Nixon left later that afternoon,"

This young man is the son of Mr. Harvey Russel of the Pepsi Cola Company. When Mr. Russel was informed of his son's account, he agreed that his son's story was true. Mr. Russel confirmed that Nixon was attending that meeting at the time the shots were fired. He added Nixon was there representing the Pepsi Cola Company's law firm Mudge, Rose, Nixon et al. The Dallas newspapers stated that Nixon was attending a board meeting.

Mr. Russel confirmed that the session Nixon was attending broke up when the assassination news came through. Nixon then returned to his hotel and later in the afternoon had been driven to the Dallas airport by a Mr. Deluca, also a Pepsi Cola official.


Upon learning of these allegations, it appears odd to read that one of the suspects would be in town during the crime. My guess why Nixon -- and supposedly Hoover and certain leading conservative Democrats from Texas and others from both parties, business and from government -- would be brought together at the scene, on the day of, the crime is to ensure their cooperation in the aftermath. "If you don't want to end up da same way, you'd better keep your wug shut."

Gee. Who has that kind of power, to call in reps from Big Oil, the Mafia, CIA and MI-Complex?

PS: Thank you for the kind words, ftr23532. Thank you for the great links. I'm still getting a kick out of hearing Martin A. Lee.

PPS: Doesn't it feel great knowing the Truth is getting 'round?
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ftr23532 Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 12:26 AM
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13. it is so telling that someone that just ran for President three years before...
would think they could pull off something like pretending a bunch of people at a conference wouldn't remember him during a moment when everyone remembers where they were. And it's even more telling that he just might have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling kid! And perhaps it's even more telling that Poppy felt the need to bring this whole sordid topic up at Ford's eulogy and your Poppy/JFK thread has been hitting the front page of GD for two weeks now. The truth is spreading around and it's great to see it happening so please keep up the great work! :)
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