FReeps in denial over Right-Wing=Nazis

[kskiska]

Someone posted the following article:

Germany: Rabbi scared to wear kippah (He's afraid of--get this--"right wingers")

First rabbi to be ordained in Germany since WWII claims there's still fear of anti-Semitism in streets

(excerpt)

The first rabbi to be ordained in Germany since the Holocaust is so worried about being identified as a Jew that he often wears a baseball hat over his skull cap.

"It's a fact - it isn't smart to display I'm Jewish. This is a problem and we have to face it," German-born Daniel Alter, 47, told Reuters in an interview.

He is worried about neo-Nazi attacks and says anti-Semitism in Germany - still tortured by memories of the Holocaust in which Nazis wiped out six million Jews - puts the growth of Jewish communities here at risk.

As a Jew he feels unsafe in several German cities, not all in former communist east Germany where the far-right National Democratic Party (NPD) has made electoral gains recently.

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Responses:

To: Alouette

NAZI's are on the Left, not the Right. (gov. controls everything;the trains run on time, or else!)

7 posted on 01/16/2007 7:12:23 AM PST by jwatzzzzz (jwatzzzzz)

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To: jwatzzzzz

There is another point on the circumference where the right cannot help but meet the left.

10 posted on 01/16/2007 7:32:26 AM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1768318/posts

[unpossibles]

1. wow. the disconnect there.. oh wait. Why am I surprised?

Most of the ones that I know are always throwing out how the Nazis were Socialist because it's in their name, although their policy is far more fascist authoritarianism obviously. I mean, no one ever lied about what they stood for in order to be more popular, then screwed over everyone once in office have they?

I like that last post - "There is another point on the circumference where the right cannot help but meet the left."

In other words, even though they are far-Right, and this poster begrudgingly admits that, they obviously have gone so far to the Right that they are on the Left now...

:eyes:

Remember, these are the same folks who "think" Bush is a good Christian and Hilary is a Communist.

[htuttle]

2. Nazis were never really 'socialist'

They only put that in their name at the beginning to attract disaffected members of Germany's SPD, etc... They never implemented even a single policy close to socialism, IIRC, and in fact outlawed the Social Democrats shortly after taking absolute power.

[TahitiNut]

4. Well, isn't it obvious that the People's REPUBLIC of China is "Republican"?

:evilgrin:

Likewise, the German Democratic Republic (DDR - aka East Germany) must've been controlled by Republicans, too. Right?

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Republican China.. I love it!

[Norquist Nemesis]

8. DPRK are thoroughly confused

They're a Democratic Republic just like the USA! "Right"?

[comsymp]

13. You mean like Saddam's Republican Guard?

nt

[ieoeja]

14. Not Exactly

The "Night of the Long Knives" and "Crystal Night" are often confused. The latter was the night the rightwing NAZIs went on a killing spree targeting Jews. The former was the night the rightwing NAZIs went on a killing spree targeting the leftwing, socialist NAZIs who originally founded the party.

By the time Hitler was in control of Germany, all the founders of the NAZI party had been murdered. Hitler kept the name and the few goals they had in common -- hating Jews, extreme totalitarianism, hating Jews, racism, hating Jews, "Greater Germany" concept, hating Jews, etc -- while throwing away the inherently socialist issues like welfare.

[TahitiNut]

3. They just can't comprehend that Communism and Fascism are ...

... opposing totalitarian ideologies - competitors for the monopoly control of a nation. They also just can't comprehend that there's more than a single dimension to political philosophy.

They're imbeciles.

[rman]

11. 'Communism' and Fascism are different means to the same end;

as you point out: both are totalitarian ideologies for monopoly control of a nation (by big money interests).

Those ideologies are hardly opposing - opposite to both is Democracy.

That's leaving aside the fact that "communism" in the USSR and China had/has very little to do with communism as described in the Communist Manifesto.

[kskiska]

5. It's telling that few have posted on that story

Almost as though they don't want to go there, especially since the story disproves their theory.

[seabeyond]

7. they are only on the jews side when it has to do with bush, killing

muslims to protect isreal. otherwise they can care less, or worse, they hate them.

[BlooInBloo]

9. (shrug) They also think MLK hurt the country. That's how evil or amoral people think.

[deutsey]

10. A conservative I know made a similar claim until I bombarded him

with irrefutable historical evidence.

I think I've heard where Limbaugh and his ilk have helped to perpetuate this lie by pointing to the "socialism" in "national socialism." I helped my friend understand that the Nazis were actually fascists and that fascism is more or less a rightwing phenomenon.

Aside from using just the historical record to debunk such crap, one could also ask someone who believes such a bogus claim about Nazism=socialism why was it that GHW Bush's father had his assets seized in 1942 for collaborating with socialists? :evilgrin: Watch their heads explode while they try to wriggle out of that one.

[magellan]

12. Uh, let's see here

The neo-Nazis discriminate against anyone non-white and non-Christian in the belief that white Christians are God's chosen. Hitler operated under the same pretense (lest there are any questions about where the current crop got their ideas and Nazi salute from).

Now let's see....What have US Republicans said concerning non-Christians and people of color...?

Ah ha! Clearly they're ALL socialists!!

:sarcasm:

[zbdent]

15. Hitler's early days were spent infiltrating the "far left" organizations

and the one he joined turned out to be a fake left hiding a far-right org ... and he liked what he saw ...

[TZ]

16. fascism vs. communism

My uncle is a retired professor of political science. He taught me this there is a spectrum of types of government. On the far left is Communism. Fascism is the far right of the scale. These two types of government are considered polar opposites.
As for anti-semitism, its definitely on the rise in Europe and Russia in particular.

[noonwitch]

17. Nazis were nazis, dictators are dictators

You can be a leftist dictator, like Stalin, or a rightist one like Mussolini. I wouldn't give Hitler a left or right label, because he was neither. He was a mentally ill individual who got an entire nation to buy his insanity.

[ftr23532]

18. a far-Right group was just formed in the European Parliament

It's another sign of the times. They call themselves the "Identity, Tradition, Sovereignty" group http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=3129441&mesg_id=3129441">and are apparently committed to traditional family values.