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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:12 PM
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CIA Provides Further Details on Secret Interrogation Memos
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/torture/27926prs20070110.html

August 2002 Memo Discussed “Alternative Interrogation Methods”


NEW YORK - In an ongoing lawsuit with the American Civil Liberties Union, the CIA has filed a declaration arguing that the agency should not be compelled to release two Justice Department memos discussing interrogation methods and a presidential order concerning the CIA’s authorization to set up detention facilities outside the United States.

“The CIA’s declaration uses national security as a pretext for withholding evidence that high-level government officials in all likelihood authorized abusive techniques that amount to torture,” said ACLU attorney Amrit Singh. “This declaration is especially disturbing because it suggests that unlawful interrogation techniques cleared by the Justice Department for use by the CIA still remain in effect. The American public has a right to know how the government is treating its prisoners.”

One of the documents is described as a “14-page memorandum dated 17 September 2001 from President Bush to the Director of the CIA pertaining to the CIA’s authorization to detain terrorists.” According to the brief, of the 14 pages, 12 pages are “a notification memorandum” from the president to the National Security Council regarding a “clandestine intelligence activity.” The ACLU said this revelation raises questions regarding the extent to which Condoleezza Rice was involved in establishing the CIA detention program as National Security Advisor.

In its declaration, the CIA also says that the Bush memo is so “Top Secret” that National Security Council officials created a “special access program” governing access to the document. It states that “the name of the special access program is itself classified SECRET,” meaning that the CIA believes that the disclosure of the program’s name “could be expected to result in serious danger to the nation’s security.”
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:18 PM
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1. Revealimg the *name* of the program of the program would endanger us?
That's hilarious. What's it called, Operation The Keys Are Under The Flowerpot?
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:21 PM
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2. The name is probably quite provocative.
Some of these operations are named in a 'creative' manner. If that's the case here, there could be significant political fallout. Not that I wouldn't like to see the details anyway...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:38 PM
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4. A new parlor game...Name That Operation.
Operation Thumbscrew?
Operaton Iron Maiden?
Operation Glass in the Ass?
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 09:18 PM
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5. Operation bush-speak?
That happened to millions of us last night.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 07:19 PM
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18. Cablesplicer? Northwoods? Gardenmarket? Rex84? Chaos?
?
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:20 PM
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15. Operation Fuck 'Em Up
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-17-07 09:50 PM
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20. Like they have run out of random generators or something.
:crazy:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-12-07 08:30 PM
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3. recommended
“This declaration is especially disturbing because it suggests that unlawful interrogation techniques cleared by the Justice Department for use by the CIA still remain in effect."

America is a war crime nation and that doesn't seem to bother enough people. :(
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-19-07 10:48 AM
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21. Alberto Gonzales made a couple of things very clear yesterday in that
BFEE's HOMELAND(tm)'s holy warriors are sanctified by the Special Access Programs, the PATRIOT ACT, and the DECIDER's "war on terror".



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 07:59 PM
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6. COPPER GREEN was a SAP largely the effort of Stephen A. Cambone
Seymour Hersh reported on it back in May of 2004
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040524fa_fact?040524fa_fact

SourceWatch.org profile of Stephen A. Cambone (fwiw Cambone's military "advisor" was Gen. William G. Boykin)
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Stephen_A._Cambone
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:24 PM
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8. "Project Icon" was the original name Rumsfeld gave to the Strategic Support Branch
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 08:26 PM by bobthedrummer
which was also under the "leadership" of Cambone and Boykin. It was another neo-con outfit that supposedly would exclude reliance on the CIA-in this case for developing Human Intelligence/HUMINT and rapid response.

It was probably operating out of one of those many Offices of Douglas Feith. I have no doubts that it was part of the Crusade of Boykin et al.

SourceWatch.org article on the Strategic Support Branch
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Strategic_Support_Branch

The Pentagon is heavily influenced by the RW fundamentalist Christian Embassy (which is allied with radical Zionists)

"Ten Things I Learned From the Pentagon's Prayer Team"
by Jeff Sharlet
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46262/

"America's Holy Warriors"
by Chris Hedges
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0103-59.htm


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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:33 PM
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9. Boykin
Edited on Sat Jan-13-07 08:34 PM by seemslikeadream
THE GRAY ZONE
How a secret Pentagon program came to Abu Ghraib.
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/040524fa_fact

One Pentagon official who was deeply involved in the program was Stephen Cambone, who was named Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence in March, 2003. The office was new; it was created as part of Rumsfeld’s reorganization of the Pentagon. Cambone was unpopular among military and civilian intelligence bureaucrats in the Pentagon, essentially because he had little experience in running intelligence programs, though in 1998 he had served as staff director for a committee, headed by Rumsfeld, that warned of an emerging ballistic-missile threat to the United States. He was known instead for his closeness to Rumsfeld. “Remember Henry II—‘Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?’ ” the senior C.I.A. official said to me, with a laugh, last week. “Whatever Rumsfeld whimsically says, Cambone will do ten times that much.”

Cambone was a strong advocate for war against Iraq. He shared Rumsfeld’s disdain for the analysis and assessments proffered by the C.I.A., viewing them as too cautious, and chafed, as did Rumsfeld, at the C.I.A.’s inability, before the Iraq war, to state conclusively that Saddam Hussein harbored weapons of mass destruction. Cambone’s military assistant, Army Lieutenant General William G. (Jerry) Boykin, was also controversial. Last fall, he generated unwanted headlines after it was reported that, in a speech at an Oregon church, he equated the Muslim world with Satan.

Early in his tenure, Cambone provoked a bureaucratic battle within the Pentagon by insisting that he be given control of all special-access programs that were relevant to the war on terror. Those programs, which had been viewed by many in the Pentagon as sacrosanct, were monitored by Kenneth deGraffenreid, who had experience in counter-intelligence programs. Cambone got control, and deGraffenreid subsequently left the Pentagon. Asked for comment on this story, a Pentagon spokesman said, “I will not discuss any covert programs; however, Dr. Cambone did not assume his position as the Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence until March 7, 2003, and had no involvement in the decision-making process regarding interrogation procedures in Iraq or anywhere else.”

...

The solution, endorsed by Rumsfeld and carried out by Stephen Cambone, was to get tough with those Iraqis in the Army prison system who were suspected of being insurgents. A key player was Major General Geoffrey Miller, the commander of the detention and interrogation center at Guantánamo, who had been summoned to Baghdad in late August to review prison interrogation procedures. The internal Army report on the abuse charges, written by Major General Antonio Taguba in February, revealed that Miller urged that the commanders in Baghdad change policy and place military intelligence in charge of the prison. The report quoted Miller as recommending that “detention operations must act as an enabler for interrogation.”



Secret Unit Expands Rumsfeld's Domain
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A29414-2005Jan22_2.html

Under Title 10, for example, the Defense Department must report to Congress all "deployment orders," or formal instructions from the Joint Chiefs of Staff to position U.S. forces for combat. But guidelines issued this month by Undersecretary for Intelligence Stephen A. Cambone state that special operations forces may "conduct clandestine HUMINT operations . . . before publication" of a deployment order, rendering notification unnecessary. Pentagon lawyers also define the "war on terror" as ongoing, indefinite and global in scope. That analysis effectively discards the limitation of the defense secretary's war powers to times and places of imminent combat.




In late November, 2004, the Times reported that Bush had set up an interagency group to study whether it “would best serve the nation” to give the Pentagon complete control over the C.I.A.’s own élite paramilitary unit, which has operated covertly in trouble spots around the world for decades. The panel’s conclusions, due in February, are foregone, in the view of many former C.I.A. officers. “It seems like it’s going to happen,” Howard Hart, who was chief of the C.I.A.’s Paramilitary Operations Division before retiring in 1991, told me.

...

Rumsfeld and two of his key deputies, Stephen Cambone, the Under-secretary of Defense for Intelligence, and Army Lieutenant General William G. (Jerry) Boykin, will be part of the chain of command for the new commando operations. Relevant members of the House and Senate intelligence committees have been briefed on the Defense Department’s expanded role in covert affairs, a Pentagon adviser assured me, but he did not know how extensive the briefings had been.

...

A retired four-star general said, “The basic concept has always been solid, but how do you insure that the people doing it operate within the concept of the law? This is pushing the edge of the envelope.” The general added, “It’s the oversight. And you’re not going to get Warner”—John Warner, of Virginia, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee—“and those guys to exercise oversight. This whole thing goes to the Fourth Deck.” He was referring to the floor in the Pentagon where Rumsfeld and Cambone have their offices.

“It’s a finesse to give power to Rumsfeld—giving him the right to act swiftly, decisively, and lethally,” the first Pentagon adviser told me. “It’s a global free-fire zone.”


http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/06/03/18267751.php

Blatantly religiously outspoken Christian Fundamentalist Army Lt. General William G. Boykin, appointed by G.W. Bush, has received critical alarm from Americans United for Separation of Church and State. He appears regularly in dress uniform to religious groups. Boykin is quoted "We, in the army of God, kingdom of God, have been raised for such a time as this."

Richard T. Cooper writes in CommonDreams.org "General Casts War in Religious Terms."<10> "In his public remarks, Boykin has also said that radical Muslims who resort to terrorism are not representative of the Islamic faith. Boykin's reference to the God of Islam as `an idol' may be perceived as particularly inflammatory."

Conservative Christians have defended Boykin despite the Abu Ghraib scandal (the Christian Coalition had an online petition in support of Boykin on its homepage), and James Dobson of Focus on the Family called Boykin's statements "consistent with mainstream evangelical beliefs".

Sendtoscott exposes Boykin in Abu Ghraib "Hell House of the Religious Right." <11> "Boykin told one gathering `Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. He's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this.'"

Schaffer adds "Everyone with any sense knows that Bush is not in the least bit qualified to be in the White House and being a fundamentalist Christian only exacerbates the reasons why."

Nichols writes in his article "Confident US Generals Commit war crimes" <12> "... The amount of radiation released by the atomic bombs pales in comparison to the huge amount of permanent killing radiation released in Iraq. The total radioactive life span of uranium weapons is a majestically creepazoid 45 billion years. The Iraqis have a right to ask, "Why do the Americans hate us so? Why do the Americans want to exterminate us? ..."

Nichols continued "... Now, in 2006, the United States is the most successful fascist empire, with the most lethal military, in the history of the world. The fascist government of war criminals and crooks must be put out as soon as possible, certainly before they invade Iran and use global thermonuclear weapons as promised and nuclear munitions again to do so. Words do not count in this arena, though, only actions..."
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:01 PM
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12. Many sources are stating that BOYKIN is responsible for whatever
US and "other" units have been doing in Somalia recently.

"The Pentagon Unleashes a Holy Warrior"
by William M. Arkin 10-16-03
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/101703B.shtml

Boykin's supporters included Sen. George "macaca" Allen (and Senator Brownback)

"And This Guy Wants To Be President?"
by William Fisher 4-5-06
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040506Z.shtml

Another scary Holy Warrior is former USAF General Simon P. Worden, also a favorite of Sen. Brownback.
WORDEN was in charge of the "closed" Office of Strategic Influence, he's now head of NASA's Ames Research Center.

Woe.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:47 PM
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11. Four Characters in Search of a Prosecutor: Miller, Boykin, Cambone and Feith
http://www.counterpunch.org/rajiva03102006.html

The same folks, apparently, who picked General William "Jerry" Boykin to be Deputy Under Secretary for Defense in October 2003, precisely around the time the Abu Ghraib abuses were taking place.

What does Boykin, a militant evangelical Christian think of Muslims?

Let's see:

In dress uniform and polished jump boots, he told a religious group in Oregon in June that same year that radical Islamists hate the United States "because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian ... and the enemy is a guy named Satan."

Recounting a Special Ops mission against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, he informed another audience, "I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."

In 2002, he stated, "We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this," and at least once said of President Bush: "He's in the White House because God put him there." (5)

Add to this a resume studded with every rash Special Ops mission in recent memory--from the hunt for Columbian drug kingpin, Pablo Escobar, to the bungled Iran hostage rescue, and you get the picture of a man who likes death- or-glory escapades. Especially ones signed off on by Jehovah and aimed at Muslims.

In fact, a Crusader--and not a very competent one.

Is there any proof that Boykin had anything to do with Abu Ghraib?

Plenty.

Boykin played a key role in the counter-insurgency campaign that escalated from 2003 on and is known to have reviewed Israeli tactics used in the assault on the Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin in 2002. Any resemblance between American actions in Iraq and Israeli actions in Palestine is, of course, completely coincidental and not even remotely related to the question of why we might have a broad policy of detaining Muslims and subjecting them to futuristic forms of torture

Boykin was also one of the key planners of the new Special Forces group--Task Force 121- intended to wipe out the Iraqi resistance through targeted assassinations similar to the Phoenix Program in Vietnam.

Nice prep work for the man who also just happens to be the person responsible for briefing Undersecretary for Defense Stephen Cambone on what Miller was upto at Abu Ghraib. (6) Boykin is Cambone's top aide.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:03 PM
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7. Then maybe some bright spark should ask
...why the hell they're creating and undertaking programs that pose a threat to our national security.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 08:41 PM
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10. Serious NAZI Techniques there.
CIA learned from the worst.



Operation Paperclip case file

Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 Dossier: Documented Evidence Case File: 5X067 Compiled by Agent Orange

OPERATION PAPERCLIP

After WWII ended in 1945, victorious Russian and American intelligence teams began a treasure hunt throughout occupied Germany for military and scientific booty. They were looking for things like new rocket and aircraft designs, medicines, and electronics. But they were also hunting down the most precious "spoils" of all: the scientists whose work had nearly won the war for Germany. The engineers and intelligence officers of the Nazi War Machine.

The U.S. Military rounded up Nazi scientists and brought them to America. It had originally intended merely to debrief them and send them back to Germany. But when it realized the extent of the scientists knowledge and expertise, the War Department decided it would be a waste to send the scientists home. Following the discovery of flying discs (foo fighters), particle/laser beam weaponry in German military bases, the War Department decided that NASA and the CIA must control this technology, and the Nazi engineers that had worked on this technology.

There was only one problem: it was illegal. U.S. law explicitly prohibited Nazi officials from immigrating to America--and as many as three-quarters of the scientists in question had been committed Nazis.

Data-Points:

Convinced that German scientists could help America's postwar efforts, President Harry Truman agreed in September 1946 to authorize "Project Paperclip," a program to bring selected German scientists to work on America's behalf during the "Cold War" However, Truman expressly excluded anyone found "to have been a member of the Nazi party and more than a nominal participant in its activities, or an active supporter of Naziism or militarism." The War Department's Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency (JIOA) conducted background investigations of the scientists. In February 1947, JIOA Director Bosquet Wev submitted the first set of scientists' dossiers to the State and Justice Departments for review. The Dossiers were damning. Samauel Klaus, the State Departments representative on the JIOA board, claimed that all the scientists in this first batch were "ardent Nazis." Their visa requests were denied. Wev was furious. He wrote a memo warning that "the best interests of the United States have been subjugated to the efforts expended in 'beating a dead Nazi horse.'" He also declared that the return of these scientists to Germany, where they could be exploited by America's enemies, presented a "far greater security threat to this country than any former Nazi affiliations which they may have had or even any Nazi sympathies that they may still have." When the JIOA formed to investigate the backgrounds and form dossiers on the Nazis, the Nazi Intelligence leader Reinhard Gehlen met with the CIA director Allen Dulles.

Dulles and Gehlen hit it off immediately. Gehlen was a master spy for the Nazis and had infiltrated Russia with his vast Nazi Intelligence network. Dulles promised Gehlen that his Intelligence unit was safe in the CIA. Apparently, Wev decided to sidestep the problem. Dulles had the scientists dossier's re-written to eliminate incriminating evidence. As promised, Allen Dulles delivered the Nazi Intelligence unit to the CIA, which later opened many umbrella projects stemming from Nazi mad research. (MK-ULTRA / ARTICHOKE, OPERATION MIDNIGHT CLIMAX) Military Intelligence "cleansed" the files of Nazi references. By 1955, more than 760 German scientists had been granted citizenship in the U.S. and given prominent positions in the American scientific community. Many had been longtime members of the Nazi party and the Gestapo, had conducted experiments on humans at concentration camps, had used slave labor, and had committed other war crimes. In a 1985 expose in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Linda Hunt wrote that she had examined more than 130 reports on Project Paperclip subjects--and every one "had been changed to eliminate the security threat classification." President Truman, who had explicitly ordered no committed Nazis to be admitted under Project Paperclip, was evidently never aware that his directive had been violated. State Department archives and the memoirs of officials from that era confirm this. In fact, according to Clare Lasby's book Operation Paperclip, project officials "covered their designs with such secrecy that it bedeviled their own President; at Potsdam he denied their activities and undoubtedly enhanced Russian suspicion and distrust," quite possibly fueling the Cold War even further.

A good example of how these dossiers were changed is the case of Wernher von Braun. A September 18, 1947, report on the German rocket scientist stated, "Subject is regarded as a potential security threat by the Military Governor." The following February, a new security evaluation of Von Braun said, "No derogatory information is available on the subject...It is the opinion of the Military Governor that he may not constitute a security threat to the United States." Here are a few of the 700 suspicious characters who were allowed to immigrate through Project Paperclip. ARTHUR RUDOLPH; During the war, Rudolph was operations director of the Mittelwerk factory at the Dora-Nordhausen concentration camps, where 20,000 workers died from beatings, hangings, and starvation. Rudolph had been a member of the Nazi party since 1931; a 1945 military file on him said simply: "100% Nazi, dangerous type, security threat..!! Suggest internment."

But the JIOA's final dossier on him said there was "nothing in his records indicating that he was a war criminal or and ardent Nazi or otherwise objectionable." Rudolph became a US citizen and later designed the Saturn 5 rocket used in the Apollo moon landings. In 1984, when his war record was finally investigated, he fled to West Germany.

CONTINUED...

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/operationpaperclip.htm



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 09:53 PM
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13. Yep, NAZIS influenced the techniques and tactics of this Torture Administration.
That was the "original sin"/"intelligence failure" of the national security community-"recruiting" NAZIS and giving them, their colleagues, families and social networks identities and jobs as Americans.

Not only torture techniques and tactics but also what has become the advanced technology of directed energy weapons, information warfare, so called non-lethal weapons, eugenics and a lot of mind control posing as neuro-science, pharmacology, behavioral science, perception management, etc.
http://mindjustice.org/timeline.htm

The possible plans for the future if the BFEE isn't stopped are similar to the works of George Orwell, Aldous Huxley, Philip K. Dick except we aren't talking futuristic fiction, we are talking about darkness.

For example:

"Baghdad 2025: The Pentagon Solution to a Planet of Slums"
by Nick Turse
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0108-29.htm

"Influencing Human Cognition: US Electromagnetic Weapons and Human Rights"
by Peter Phillips, Lew Brown and Bridget Thornton (Project Censored)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=PHI20070109&articleId=4396

Other DUers are seeing the distinct possibilities of what the Decider and his inner circle have already secretly signed off on.
"PAY ATTENTION HERE: Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'" started by Jcrowley 10-6-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2332802

What was often ridiculed, including the influential role of real NAZIS and their ideology on what we call the BFEE, is increasingly being addressed as the truth gets out thanks to people like yourself, seemslikeadream and many others.

General Boykin and the Christian Embassy in the Pentagon, the torturers, the whole rotten mess of the leadership of the BFEE have got to GO NOW.

And for those members of OUR armed forces that may happen to read this-be safe wherever you are and don't follow illegal orders-preserve, protect and defend OUR US Constitution as all Americans do.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 09:25 PM
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19. kick
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-13-07 10:17 PM
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14. National security is a lie.
It's the security of the people of this country that is important.

It's just about as simple as that. We've come down a long dark road. I hope we can find a way back.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:04 AM
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16. There are big names in torture like Gonzales, Ashcroft, Miller, Sanchez,
Luti, Leedeen, CACI, TITAN- but there are overlooked ones.

People like Terry Stewart, Gary DeLand, John J. Armstrong and Lane McCotter of the Torture AG's DoJ International Criminal Investigative Training Program/ICITAP which has a terrible record of employing human rights abusers worldwide to train others.

These people must be held accountable too.
ICITAP in Iraq
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/10/17/129/58126
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-14-07 12:22 PM
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17. kick
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