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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 01:37 AM
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TIME, Andrew Sullivan: The Year That Religion Learned Humility
The Year That Religion Learned Humility
The new millennium saw the rise of fundamentalist faith as a cultural force. In 2006, says Andrew Sullivan, the religious monoliths began to break down
Posted Thursday, Dec. 21, 2006

The great, first surprise of the 21st century was the re-emergence of religion. Not only did it arrive as the most powerful cultural force of the new millennium, it also came in a particular guise. It was a fundamentalist version of faith that was triumphant. Against the doubts and decadence of the West and amid the bewilderment and backwardness of the Middle East, an utterly uncompromising faith seemed the only answer to many prayers.

The forms varied, of course. There was the strain of Islamic Wahhabism incubated in Saudi Arabia, exported to Afghanistan and wreaking havoc in Iraq. There was Shi'ite theocracy, centered in Tehran, made more terrifying by the apocalyptic worldview of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. In the West, the dominant form of Christianity was Fundamentalist Protestantism, gaining new converts and, fused with the Republican Party, flexing powerful political muscles. And in the Vatican, the conservatism of John Paul II found its natural successor in the austere and more thoroughgoing orthodoxy of the new Pope, Benedict XVI. There seemed no stopping this cultural surge, just various attempts to adjust to it, restrain it from violence and temper its extremes.

And then in 2006, there was an unmistakable pause, a moment of self-examination, even the hint of a great humbling. The most absolutist visionaries found a limit to their certitude. Benedict XVI went in a matter of months from proclaiming an irreducible gulf between Christianity and Islam to visiting a mosque in Turkey with white slippers on his feet. He publicly called for Turkey, a secular state but a Muslim country, to be integrated into the European Union. In the U.S., the religious right saw its most enthusiastic repre sentative in the Senate, Rick Santorum, go down to defeat by a crushing 18 points. For the first time, a state constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage failed — in Arizona. State initiatives for embryonic-stem-cell research became a wedge issue for ... Democrats. Religion finally cut both ways in democratic discourse. For the first time since the evangelical revival began in the 1980s, too much rigidity began to cost politicians votes rather than win them more....

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In 2006, we came to see that even the most certain theological worldview has to grapple with that of others who differ and yet require coexistence, not obliteration. Certainty can be comforting in the abstract. In the real world, such certainty has to be accompanied by toleration if we are to live in any peace or resolve our politics in a civil and rational manner. And certainty itself may be an obstacle to real faith rather than its achievement. Doubt is as much a part of faith as human imperfection is a part of life. We have learned that the hard way in the new millennium — in our politics and in war. But we may have begun to grasp the deeper obligation — and that is not to turn our back on faith but to instill it with the humility that it demands and that all the great religious figures have exemplified.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1572520,00.html?cnn=yes
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 01:49 AM
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1. A pox on your house, Andrew, you piece of $#*+!
Edited on Fri Dec-22-06 01:56 AM by keopeli
Your hawkish support for this ill-conceived war, blind partisanship and vitriol was in DEFENSE of these religious zealots and bigots in the US. You're as much a part of the problem as the rest of the media was. Since you're British, and you are gay, you have even MORE burden to bear. The UK Press was much more honest about the Iraq war, but you ignored their cries. As a gay US citizen, I would rather you keep your nose out of our business, since we're the ones that have to live here!

:grr:

Frankly, I'm not inclined to consider your "thoughtful insights" any longer.

We're not going to ignore your past.


Sorry, everyone, this guy just really gets to me. :banghead:
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 08:45 AM
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8. Amen to that.
I'd add: "Fuck you, Sullivan" -- but that would be wishing him a far nicer experience than he deserves.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 01:55 AM
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2. what an idiot......humility? humbled, in some instances, like Santorum, sure,
Edited on Fri Dec-22-06 02:42 AM by Gabi Hayes
but what religious fanatic (and they're the ones who cause all the misery) has achieved any sort of humility?

James Dobson?

Ahmadinejad?

al Sadr?

Jerry Falwell?

Brownback?

what the hell is he talking about?

just reading the first four graphs of that moronic screed is enough to scan that he hasn't the slightest idea what he's talking about.
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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 02:55 AM
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3. I loved seeing your list of names all together like that - really sums
it up, doesn't it. Here they are, the same really - only difference is who they hate to maintain their influence and profits
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 03:20 AM
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4. As for his premise, I must assume it was conceived while high on crack.
Edited on Fri Dec-22-06 03:21 AM by kgfnally
2006 is the year?

Yeah?

How many gay marriage bans were passed in this past election, Mr. Sullivan? How 'bout the rest of the Bush years?

What a... cocksucker. :D

Hey, if the shoe fi....

Oh, never mind.......

(ed.: I almost changed 'crack to 'poppers')
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 05:00 AM
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5. ....
:eyes:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 05:31 AM
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6. andrew you LOOK like you've seen the light.
trouble is -- i don't care -- you're a tapeworm.

you were given a phony cred and rep because you're a queer conservative.

an oddity as it were.

to be exact -- a deadly oddity since you supported the war in iraq.

but like fundamentalism -- that you imagine is deconstructing before our very eyes -- you are disappearing into a pathetic and slimy obscurity.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-22-06 08:34 AM
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7. Reality:The year andy sees a shrink for his messed up self.
Seriously Andy, the conflicted gay/Catholic/Conservative remora gig is getting old, and your pathetic attempt to get off the leash of your masters is pathetic. You never would be allowed in the house to stay, but you were brought in for guests as the gay show dog that did Neocon tricks. Roll over Andy! Fetch that Andy!

You complied with the minimum of "Snausages", but you did persue them on your own, as we are all familiar with your internet "snausage hunts".

Get thee to a shrink. You are sickening, and your masters are looking for an accessory fashion dog.
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