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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:38 PM
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I saw something at the mall that made me want to scream.
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 04:47 PM by Commie Pinko Dirtbag
In a bookstore, there was a poster of a children's DVD named "Noah's Ark." Nothing to be upset about, until I read the tagline:

"A beautiful DVD with a wonderful message: obeying is the best thing."

Am I a deviant for feeling disgust at that?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:39 PM
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1. that is just so WRONG
and if that makes us deviants, I'll wear the badge proudly
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:40 PM
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2. No....
not at all.
but you know the message was for adult children, right?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:41 PM
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3. No. It's a CGI film with cutesy-modeled characters. -nt
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:43 PM
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6. for adult children to buy...
Edited on Sat Dec-16-06 04:44 PM by QuestionAll...
for their children....
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:41 PM
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4. When my boys were little, I gave both of them "Question Authority" t-shirts.
So, maybe I'm not the right person to answer your "deviant" question. :evilgrin:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:41 PM
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5. I Really Can't Understand Why This Would Be Bothersome.
Is respect for parent's wishes or a well behaved child that listens to the parent's requests something I'm supposed to find appalling now?

There are tons of products out there for children that illustrate and magnify the message of respecting/obeying parents. It is of course a good message and I'm perplexed as to what you find disgusting about it (unless you think it appropriate for children not to listen to their parents, and run around like little maniacs and brats).
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:45 PM
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7. Are children not..
.. fully intelligent and wonderful human beings who deserve respect
and the freedom to be kids?

Are parents not able to model what it means to be obedient based on
their own good thinking, and disobedient when authorities run fowl of
what's good for human beings?

Sue
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:50 PM
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11. For the record, I looked it up online and the tagline doesn't actually contain "for children."
That's why, when I first stumbled upon it, the first thing that popped into my mind was this movie.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:34 PM
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 07:58 AM
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18. Check your inbox. -nt
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:48 PM
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9. obedience as the primary directive
sounds punitive and mind-numbing. Sets kids up to be good little soldiers.

Respect kids and make sure they learn to respect you. I think that works better in the long run than blind obedience.



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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:50 PM
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10. Children learn from their parents.
Just make sure that you show a really true example of how to behave every hour of the day. They absorb this. All the talking in the world is not going to sway them if your saying one thing and doing another. Always be true to the truth. They will follow.
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QuestionAll... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:54 PM
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12. obide your parents.

or obide the general crap that your parents have no control over.

any message of obediance to religion or country, shoved up small developing brains is repugnant.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:23 PM
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16. "any message of obediance to religion or country"
This is how we got people who said that we need to listen to the pretzeldent and support him.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:52 AM
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21. I do not want my daughter to be obedient
I want her to think for herself, even if she disagrees with me.

Not obeying and "running around like little maniacs and brats" are not synonymous. It is definitely possible to respectfully disagree and come to an agreement with each other.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 03:24 PM
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31. Not every parent is a saint
But that is not referring to children and parents, I guess it is referring to God, that's fine, but then, how does one know what God wants? Unless one is Dubya, God's commands are usually actually up to the individual to figure out.

I think the OP was referring to the obvious; teaching people to obey authority, which would be the message right wing fundies have propagated before.

Not in this country (which I say as a proud and patriotic American)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 04:48 PM
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8. Obey or die
the true message of the old testament.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 05:55 PM
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14. Tell a young child of a repuke to ask his or her parents to be honest
about the existence of Santa Claus ...

Then see, years later, how much the kids believe that their parents have been honest with them all their lives ...

No wonder teens rebel ...
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 06:04 PM
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15. Obeying whom?
Children should obey their parents, sure. But it didn't specify parents. Or teachers. Or even "God". The disturbing part is the generic obeying part.

No, I don't think you're a deviant for feeling icky at that. It makes me want to do something rebellious, LOL.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 04:32 PM
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34. I can see why they didn't say "your parents."
After all, they may have wrong beliefs. In this case, don't obey them, obey US!
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jarab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-16-06 07:05 PM
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17. "deviant"? Not necessarily. True to your sigline? Yes. nt
...O...
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:34 AM
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19. Obedience
is not a bad virtue for children to have. In raising 2 boys it is a necessity. The problem is that obedience alone is not enough. You creat robots that way. It needs to be tempered with creativity, wonder, love, empathy, understanding, etc.

It is also something that changes drastically when they are pre-teens. Rebellion, along with obedience, should both be encouraged and practiced daily.

I know the rebels in here will challenge me on the obedience thing, but if we want to make our way in this world, following directions and learning how to be obedient to our own awareness is a good thing.
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:49 AM
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20. I thought you were going to say

A barber's shop

Bath & Body

or

Job Placement Agency
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:57 AM
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22. Please elaborate. -nt
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:31 PM
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23. Didn't you know?
Liberals are all hippies and everyone knows that hippies are dirty, have long hair and are unemployed. :eyes:

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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:34 PM
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24. Of course I know. I just wanted to watch this one make an ass out of himself a bit more
instead of alerting right away.
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:38 PM
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25. hmmm
clever strategy. did it work?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:42 PM
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28. Yes, it did.
By the way, I'm honored that your people finally noticed my writings. I was afraid I was not pissing the right people enough. Now I feel much better. Thanks to you.

The pic with the senior folks in colorful attire was cute, too. They look quite happy and loving.
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MOB Donating Member (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:44 PM
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29. Great
About time you got a hair cut ;-)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:49 PM
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:39 PM
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38. Hey look, CPD's plan worked, you stupid Nazi fuck!


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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 03:36 PM
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33. just as I suspected
I predict a dirt nap is in your immediate future.

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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 09:01 PM
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36. Amazing
You must be able to see the future or something. ;-)
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-18-06 12:56 AM
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39. It's downright eerie, huh?
:evilgrin:
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:40 PM
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26. message from the despotic dictator to the children of our times.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 02:42 PM
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27. Not a deviant at all. It's HARMFUL to be raised with that notion, &
here's an example.

For some stupid reason I sat through one of those taped cable news shows about a young woman, a teenager, who had been sexually assaulted for an hour or more on a prank call to the fast food restaurant where she worked. She fell for it because she was raised "to do what people in authority tell me to do."

The scam: the perp called the store, identified himself as a police officer (he wasnt), said a woman's purse had been stolen at the restaurant and the young woman was apparenty identified by her store manager as possibly responsible (she wasn't). Little by little, the perp had the woman completely naked, doing jumping jacks at one point, and others in the store doing -- well, I won't go into it. This is a scam that's gone on around the country, btw.

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO QUESTION AUTHORITY!!!! Not just question but CHALLENGE them, if necessary.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 06:13 PM
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35. Holy crap. I remember that story.
That's what an "obedient" mindset begets. A person with nicely labeled buttons and levers to be used by anyone with the ability to speak "authoritese."
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 03:27 PM
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32. No. Children need to follow adult direction.
It keeps them safe. It's not a clear-cut, black/white issue. While some sense of obedience is necessary, it's also necessary to healthy development, in my opinion, to question those directions. To question why things are the way they are, to look for cause and effect relationships, to make connections, to reflect before making choices, rather than blind obedience or automatic defiance. We teach kids to do these things. While they are learning, we enforce obedience. "Don't run out into the street," "Wash your hands after you use the restroom and before you eat," etc.; we teach them habits of safety, health, and courtesy. They don't start with understanding; they start with obedience and gain an understanding as they grow.

"obeying is the best thing" might better be "obedience is smart while you discover the reasons behind the directive so that you can make an informed choice."
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-17-06 10:35 PM
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37. Was it in the fiction section, where it belongs?
NT!

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