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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:19 AM
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Sibel Edmonds: Theft of nuclear secrets, no secret
Prior to the election, there were scattered reports of another 'security lapse' regarding nuclear secrets at Los Alamos. Some of these reports posited scary 'what if?' scenarios regarding the War on Terror (TM).

Fair enough. But here's the thing: Sibel Edmonds has been trying to bring attention to the fact that terrorist/criminal groups have been 'stealing' nuclear secrets from the US for years - multiple branches of the US Government are aware of this - and yet they do nothing to prevent it. Nor does the media don't report it. Odd, huh?

I'm not kidding.

Sibel tried to raise the issue again last week in her blockbuster White Paper

Details downstairs.

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In October, police raided a trailer home which doubled as a meth factory - and they stumbled across a treasure trove of nuclear secrets that had somehow escaped from Los Alamos. As CBS reported:
"The recent security breach at Los Alamos National Laboratory was very serious, with sensitive materials being taken out of the facility — possibly including information on how to deactivate locks on nuclear weapons, officials tell CBS News.
<...>
Multiple sources now tell CBS News that the material includes sensitive weapons-design data.
<...>
But one federal official recently briefed on the issue says "It's devastating." If a nuclear weapon were stolen, the information "would tell the terrorists everything they need to do to get a weapon to fire.""
Is this an innocuous 'breach'? I have no idea. But I think we can all agree that drugs and nukes shouldn't be mixed.

Which brings me to Sibel Edmonds. Again.

For years, Sibel has been talking about the intersection of the nuclear black market and heroin trafficking for years - with barely a mention in the US media.

Sibel's case, however, isn't about 'breaches' or 'lapses' - Sibel's case is about the systematic, long-term, for-profit, looting of US nuclear secrets (and who knows what else) by criminal organizations who then sell the nuclear technology to the highest bidder(s) - including terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda.

To make matters worse, this has been taking place with the full knowledge of the US government. I'm not kidding.

In Sibel's blockbuster article last week, she wrote:
Nuclear black-market related activities depend on Turkey for manufacturing nuclear components, and on its strategic location as a transit point to move goods and technology to nations such as Iran, Pakistan, and others. Not only that, Turkey’s status and close relationship with the U.S. enables it to obtain (steal) technology and information from the U.S.
How does she know this? Because it's on the wiretaps - probably from the American Turkish Council (ATC) which was apparently "being used as a front for criminal activity."

David Rose has already with "direct and indirect role and ties to (9/11)" And the FBI et al did nothing, and apparently continues to do nothing, about the fact that these same people are stealing nuclear secrets!

And it's not as though this was some isolated espionage within the FBI that has somehow been blocking all this from the CIA, WhiteHouse, DoJ, Congress etc. At a minimum, Sibel has testified before the Sept. 11 commission, the Senate Judiciary Committee and the Senate Select Intelligence Committee - and of course, Ashcroft has gagged Sibel, and all of Congress. Everyone knows! For example, in her recent piece, Sibel mocked Porter Goss:
Here is what CIA Director Porter Goss said bluntly before the Senate Intelligence Committee in February 2004, “It may be only a matter of time before Al Qaeda or other groups attempt to use chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear weapons. We must focus on that.” And we know that he knows; has known for the longest time!
I checked with Sibel about this statement to clarify what she was saying, and she confirmed my interpretation - that:
a) Al Qaeda has attempted to procure some of these WMDs
b) Al Qaeda have succeeded in getting some WMDs, including from the US.
c) Porter Goss and other senior figures across the different departments of USG knows this.

Surely that's not possible? Why doesn't the FBI launch an investigation? Why don't they stop it?

Sibel describes the cover-up mechanism thusly:
"For years and years, information and evidence being collected by the counterintelligence operations of certain U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies has been prevented from being transferred to criminal and narcotics divisions, and from being shared with the Drug Enforcement Agency and others with prosecutorial power. Those with direct knowledge have been prevented from making this information available and public by various gag orders and invocation of the State Secrets Privilege. Why?"
I'll add that Sibel has previously stated that another unit that counterintelligence refuses to pass information to is the counterterrorism division (which is presumably where the 'criminals stealing nuke secrets' case ought be handled):
If counterintelligence receives information about terrorism that implicates certain nations, semi-legit organizations or the politically powerful in this country, then that information is not shared with counterterrorism, regardless of the consequences.
I can imagine how that might become problematic.

One other point I wanted to raise is that the officials within the USG appear to be selling the country down the river for peanuts. It has long been a mystery to me that these people can be bought so cheaply - but perhaps Sibel has offered us an explanation. Firstly, here's Daniel Ellsberg from September 05:
...aside from that, there's a great deal of dealing of information in illicit arms trades including, (Sibel) says, nuclear information, from our nuclear weapons labs - for which cold cash is paid - to people in the labs, and to people, she says, to people in the State Department - who have essentially given 'OKs' for various trades, or have turned a blind eye - deliberately - to it.

So, there are messages in these wiretaps about people getting thousands of dollars - this is small potatoes - but in the State Department they come cheap apparently!
Small potatoes indeed - but perhaps the 'thousands of dollars' are merely down-payments - with the promise of much greater pay-offs in the future. In Sibel's latest piece she writes about Marc Grossman (former Deputy Secretary of State):
Please do not make the grave and naive mistake of assuming that Grossman found and obtained his highly lucrative and questionable positions after his resignation in January 2005. Within two months after his confident resignation, this boy got the vice chairmanship of the Cohen Group. Only six months later, Grossman ended up securing a ‘special advisory’ position for a foreign company that reported his monthly fee at $100,000 a month...

We all have a pretty good idea how long and how much work it takes to secure that level of income and those positions. Did Grossman beat the odds and get lucky as soon as he got out of the State Department? Did he hit the jackpot? Or, did he diligently and industriously work at it, while in his position as the ambassador to Turkey and as Deputy Secretary of State? Did he sell his soul while under his oath of office? Did he sell our government’s soul? Did he sell our nation and its interests? If so; for what and how much?
I'm not at all comforted by the fact that Grossman has sold everyone out for $1.2 million per annum rather than "thousands of dollars" - but at least Sibel's 'questions' help resolve that apparent mystery: deferred compensation. It would be interesting to know how explicit the 'arrangement' was.

I wonder how many current USG employees have similar deals in place, and how we can stop it. Would it be feasible to institute lie-detector tests for departing USG employees? Perhaps we could ask three simple questions:
1. Have you had discussions about future employment opportunities / business deals?
2. Who with?
3. When did these discussions begin?

These lie-detector tests probably won't be successful in the long-term for a variety of reasons, but in the short-term it might help break the vicious cycle that Sibel describes in Part One of her White Paper:
"These successful foreign entities have mastered the art of ‘covering all the bases’ when it comes to buying influence in Washington DC. They have the required recipe down pat: get yourself a few ‘Dime a Dozen Generals,’ bid high in the ‘former statesmen lobby auction’, and put in your pocket one or two ‘ex-congressmen turned lobbyists’ who know the ropes when it comes to pocketing a few dozen who still serve."
Maybe it's worth a try.

I'm reminded of the old joke, apparently true, told by George Bernard Shaw:
Winston Churchill: "My Dear, would you go to bed with me for a million dollars?"

Lady Astor: "Well, yes, I guess I would."

Winston Churchill: "How about $100?"

Lady Astor: "What kind of person do you think I am?"

Winston Churchill: "My Dear, we have already established that. We are merely haggling over the price!"

Many of the people involved in Sibel's case have already been named: Richard Perle, Doug Feith, Marc Grossman, Brent Scowcroft, Bob Livingston, Stephen Solarz, Dennis Hastert, Eric Edelman...

We've established that these people are whores - are we happy with the price they are charging to screw us?

x-posted at Wot Is It Good 4
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:21 AM
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1. dailykos version
here
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/12/8/12746/0252

plese go rec if you think more people should see it
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:07 AM
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2. Sibel is lying here
If Turkey wanted nuclear waepons they could get it very easy from the US, they dont have to steal it.
Sibel also claims her uncle was he former mayor of Istanbul, thats a complete lie.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:28 AM
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3. how do you know this???
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:23 AM
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15. As I explained Turkey has not the technology
to build nuclear bomb and her uncle was not the mayor of Istanbul.
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cap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:14 PM
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25. please cite your sources...
link please.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:31 AM
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29. Here is a link where she claims her uncle
was the mayor of Istabul. Which is a big fat lie.
http://www.kerkuk-kurdistan.com/nuceyek.asp?ser=4&cep=1...

If you read further she tell about a Deniz tribe!!!! Im originally from Turkey and my surname is also Deniz, I can tell you that there is no Deniz tribe in Turkey or for that mather in Iran or Azerbaidjan.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:41 AM
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5. Huh!
I guess the reporters who reported this piece of info did not bother checking?! Their fact-checkers didn't confirm?! Their attorneys took the chance to be sued??!

Here is what you should do (as a guru media watchdog, if that's what you are, and if you are confident:

1- Put out facts

2- Issue a statement to those who reported this (make it public, will ya?! I for one would like to see that).

3- Make sure you don't hide behind some pseudo names; proudly identify yourself as a guru who exposed this 'major lie,' and receive the credit.

How about that?!


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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:24 AM
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16. I dont hide behind anything.
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:29 AM
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19. She claims that Turkey gave parts for a nuclear bomb
to al-qaida. If that is not absurd then what is?
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:42 AM
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6. Not Legally, Turkey Couldn't
Because the U.S. has strict export controls. No one gets U.S. nuclear secrets- not even our closest allies- and certainly not Turkey, which is a party to the NPT.

As for your comment about Sibel's uncle- not worthy of a response.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:01 AM
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13. strict export controls
thank goodness for 'false end-user certificates' :-)
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:26 AM
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17. So you mean I lied???
Here is a list of mayors of Istanbul, which one is her uncle?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mayors_of_Istanbul
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:37 PM
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22. Turkish System
...is different than what we have here. What they call 'Mayor' is similar to our 'governor;' in charge of the entire districts within a city. Then, they have mayors for various districts.

Also, considering the fact that all family names for Edmonds' case have been classified and sealed (In July 2002; under special protection requested by US Congress), how would you even know the name to check against?!
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-09-06 01:35 AM
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30. Im Turkish
what you write is nonsense sir. The Turkish word for mayor is 'Belediye baskani', it has the same functions as a mayor in the US.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:52 AM
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9. what statesecrets said
i have no idea about your claims - but if you want to make them, then please lay out your facts, supporting evidence etc
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Orrin_73 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:27 AM
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18. It would not be difficult for Turkey to get nuclear bombs from USA
in Incirlik airbase there are nuclear bombs. I read there was a secret agreement between Turkey and US about it.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 01:38 PM
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23. ...interesting info
Now that's interesting. Is it possible to confirm this?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 02:02 PM
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24. No. As a matter of policy the US will not confirm or deny the existance of Nukes.
On any base or ship. We were all taught the phrase "Sir/Madame, I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on this ship." At least that was what happened in the late '70s and early '80s

-Hoot
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:30 AM
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4. Another great Analysis by Lukery
Here are some excerpts from Robb-Silberman Report:

http://www.wmd.gov/report/report.html


Our rivals use a range of sophisticated human and technical
intelligence techniques, including surveillance, spies, attempts to influence the U.S. media and policymakers, economic espionage, and wholesale technology and trade secret theft. Further, there are indications that foreign intelligence
services are clandestinely positioning themselves to attack, exploit, and manipulate critical U.S. information and intelligence systems.

The United States has not sufficiently responded to the scope and scale of the foreign intelligence threat. The number of foreign agents targeting the United States is disturbing



Moreover,in just the past 20 years CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, NRO, and the Departments of Defense, State, and Energy have all been penetrated. Secrets stolen include nuclear weapons data, U.S. cryptographic codes and procedures,identification of U.S. intelligence sources and methods (human and technical),and war plans. Indeed, it would be difficult to exaggerate the damage that foreign intelligence penetrations have caused.

Among United States agencies, the FBI dominates counterintelligence within the homeland. Until recently the Bureau focused its resources and operational efforts on foreign spies working out of formal diplomatic establishments
classic official-cover intelligence. The covert foreign intelligence presence was largely unaddressed. Today, despite bolstering its counterintelligence resources in all field offices, the FBI still has little capacity to identify, disrupt, or exploit foreign covert intelligence activities.
15

2- The insecurity of nuclear materials, combined with diffusion of the technical knowledge necessary to construct or assemble a nuclear device, has resulted in a burgeoning industry for entrepreneurial middlemen.


For example, to support counternarcotics interdictions Joint Interagency Task Force-South has link-analysis tools that, if shared on a government-wide basis, would permit operators to quickly establish connections among terrorist organizations, proliferation networks, and other dubious international activities.
...
http://www.wmd.gov/report/report.html
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:46 AM
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7. domestic and external
thnx statesecrets.

so many 'enemies' appear to be 'domestic' that it's hard to know where to turn.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:53 AM
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10. My Pleasure Lukery
somehow the report, Robb-Silberman, didn't get much media attention/coverage. While the points on Iraq: BS; it had some very interesting revelations on other WMD related topics; this being the most important one.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:00 AM
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12. have these cases all got media exposure?
you mention "CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA, NRO, and the Departments of Defense, State, and Energy"

have they all been 'exposed'?
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:50 AM
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8. kick for truth
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randyconspiracybuff Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:55 AM
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11. This Statement Hurts
"I checked with Sibel about this statement to clarify what she was saying, and she confirmed my interpretation - that:
a) Al Qaeda has attempted to procure some of these WMDs
b) Al Qaeda have succeeded in getting some WMDs, including from the US.
c) Porter Goss and other senior figures across the different departments of USG knows this."

The question is, of course, do they have technology for the suitcase nuke, or are they close to it. That is the nightmare scenario.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 09:04 AM
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14. newt gingrich
newt gingrich is happily rolling around in his gravy. free speech: gone - and newt can happily wallow in the fact that a US city gets disappeared.

newt 08!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:42 AM
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20. Kicked and rec'd. A lot of these "incidents" have caught my eye over the years...
Ms. Edmonds is one of the few credible insiders trying to
show us the many CONNECTIONS between them.
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ajeffersonian Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 10:45 AM
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21. Critical National Security Issue
There is probably no greater threat to our national security than that of the theft of nuclear secrets and materials. Sibel is hitting us in the face with the reality that it is occurring and that our own government knows it and is allowing it to continue, and unless and until there is enough public pressure brought to bear nothing will be done and the risk of an unimaginably devastating attack will continue to grow daily. So our task is clear - continue to bring pressure on our "public servants" by the only means at our disposal - the media. If the mainstream media chooses to ignore what Sibel is saying, then it is up to us in the "alternative" space to do our part, as Lukery is doing so very well.

As an aside, I wonder what Orrin_73's agenda really is?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 05:38 PM
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26. it's astonishing that this
it's astonishing that this part of sibel's story is ingnored by the media

(thnx ajeffersonian)
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thingfisher Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 07:23 PM
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27. The fact that Sibel's story hasn't been broadcast over the M$M
is a good indication that they are controlled by outside sources. This should be page one news! If it were not for the internet who would be aware of all this chicanery?
We are being kept up to date on the latest celebrity beaver shot however.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-08-06 08:27 PM
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28. outside interests
with any luck, one day, their profit incentive will finally kick in.

perhaps when the movie is shown in the US and becomes a block-buster then people might start taking another look...
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-10-06 01:52 AM
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31. Sooner the better for the documentary
I sure hope the filmmakers get a US distributor soon. Putting this subject matter in front of the "TV crowd" might put a lot of pressure on the "bipartisan inclined" Democratic leadership.
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