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demosincebirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:39 PM
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Disemboweled, then torn apart: The price of educating girls
By Kim Sengupta in Ghazni, Afghanistan
Published: 29 November 2006

The gunmen came at night to drag Mohammed Halim away from his home, in front of his crying children and his wife begging for mercy.

The 46-year-old schoolteacher tried to reassure his family that he would return safely. But his life was over, he was part-disemboweled and then torn apart with his arms and legs tied to motorbikes, the remains put on display as a warning to others against defying Taliban orders to stop educating girls.

Mr Halim was one of four teachers killed in rapid succession by the Islamists at Ghazni, a strategic point on the routes from Kabul to the south and east which has become the scene of fierce clashes between the Taliban and US and Afghan forces.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2023831.ece


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Target_For_Exterm Donating Member (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:41 PM
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1. Why are they so threatened by a girl's education?
This doesn't make sense.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:43 PM
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4. excellent question
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 11:45 PM by ChazII
I feel sorry for his family.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:44 PM
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5. Yes, it does...
they are very bad people, and that is a mild way to put it. Bad people don't care for other human beings like good people (wherever they may be from) do.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:46 PM
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6. They aren't threatened....
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 11:48 PM by everythingsxen
They are simply trying to live in accordance with the teachings of their noble and peaceful religion. Stories like this are simply anti-Islamic propaganda invented by the Zionists who control the worlds media. :sarcasm:

It's just like stoning a woman to death for being raped. These peaceful people who's religion is not based on racism, sexism and xenophobic hatred of outsiders are just trying to live in accordance with God's will. :sarcasm:
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:59 PM
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9. "They are simply trying to live in accordance with the teachings ...
... of their noble and peaceful religion."

"Under Islamic law, women have always had the right to own property, receive an education and otherwise take part in community life. Men and women are to be respected equally. The Islamic rules for modest dress apply to both women and men equally. (Men cannot expose certain parts of their bodies, wear gold or silk, etc.) If a particular society oppresses women, it does so in spite of Islam, not because of it."

http://www.cair-net.org/default.asp?Page=aboutIslam
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:03 AM
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10. (That's what the sarcasm tag is for. Like this:
Pat Robertson isn't a crook, he's just trying to be a good Christian by bilking little old ladies out of their money. :sarcasm: ")
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:18 AM
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15. More:
"Although the Taliban used Islamic law to deny education to women and girls, Ms. Basiri pointed out that the Koran calls for girls’ education, and that the first word in the Korean is “read.” According to the prophet Muhammed, the first thing made by God was a pen, and the second a book. The problem was that extremists like the Taliban had manipulated and distorted the meaning of the Koran for their own purposes."

http://www.advocacynet.org/cpage_view/AfghanSchools_page3_37_139.html
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:20 AM
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17. Well it's good to know what the Koran actually intends!
Perhaps you could go explain that to the various nations which follow what I suppose is there own made up version of Islamic Law.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:26 AM
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19. Sadly,
it's hardly only the Taliban that have used Islam to subjugate woment. That's widespread in more than a few Islamic countries. Mohammed was ahead of his time concerning the rights of women. Much of Islam today is behind.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:10 AM
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13. Funny though isn't it...
how so many Muslim countries go against the teachings of their own religion.

It's so odd how a womans vote is half that of a mans, a womans life is worth half what a mans is, that a woman must get her husbands consent to divorce, yet the man can simply text message a divorce notice to his wife.

Yeah, real equality there.

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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:48 PM
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7. The only power they have in their pitiful existence is power over women. n/t
J
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NoodleyAppendage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:50 PM
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8. Also occurs to me that educated females might threaten jobs of uneducated males. n/t
J
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:06 AM
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12. They're terrified girls will want to be something besides
playthings and baby machines. They're terrified they won't own their children. They're terrified (some of them) they won't be able to think women are dead if they're educated enough to refuse to wear that shroud. They're terrified their daughters will fuck somebody they haven't been sold to. They are just plain terrified all the time, of women, of girls, of anything feminine, especially within themselves.

It's all fear. It happens almost that way in some extremist Christian sects. It's the same thing at work in all those tribes that practice genital mutilation of girls.

Fear.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:21 AM
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18. It's about control....
...their oppression of women is a means to control them. They fear that women will exceed them in some way if not controlled - kept down. Or, that they won't 'need' them - it's just insecurity and control.

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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:41 PM
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2. bad link
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-30-06 11:43 PM
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3. Tragic and sickening
Edited on Thu Nov-30-06 11:46 PM by cali
This leaves me at a loss for words, except to say I really detest the Taliban.

Oh yeah, and for all those who suggest that bush and America are worse than the Taliban, my response to that is bullshit. We know what the Taliban did when they ruled much of Afghanistan. I shudder to think what they would do if they had real power- like in Pakistan.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:06 AM
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11. Religion tends to breed zealots
In any group that suspends reality for a religious dogma, there are radicals.
This crap pisses me off as much as Bushit does. It's all man's inhumanity to man, in my mind.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:16 AM
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14. Let me repeat:
If the Taliban had the power bush has, it would make the bush years look positively halcyon in comparison.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 12:18 AM
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16. so true
and without the remaining restraints on power from our forefathers, bush would be hitler, stalin
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:04 AM
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20. isn't it great georgie fixed afganistan
before iWaq?

i have just finished reading ARABIA in my 1891 encyclopedia britannica. trudged through some teeny tiny print of the history. irak bayreyn, yemen. and yes WAHHABEES. at the end, the horrid ottomans were in control, but britain hoped the wahhabees would take over and bring peace and better leadership and in time they wer sure, so positive, that the wahhabees would become less dogmatic and fundamentalistic.

um, no.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-01-06 01:13 AM
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21. USA Foreign Policy decided to put fanatic extremists in power in Afghanistan
This is the result. Put the blame where it belongs. These same monsters empowered Pol Pot and "Christian" murder cults here in the US.
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ChazII Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-02-06 10:47 PM
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22. Ignorance is bliss
must be their motto.
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