Tin foil hat time: Maybe Bushco WANT things to get worse in Iraq

[n2doc]

Humor me here- Given the total FUBAR that is Iraq, it seems to me the only way Bushco "rally" Americans to their side is for there to be an escalation in hostilities to the point where we are in a full bore war again, with major losses of US troops. Another "Pearl Harbor" moment, if you please. This can then be (fairly or unfairly) blamed on the Iranians in order to go for a renewal of large scale bombing and "shock and awe II".

Iraq ain't gonna get better while we are there

There have already been reports of successful attacks on the green zone perimeter- what if a major assault led to massive US losses?

This would seem to fit Bushco to a "t"- hope for the worst so they can grab/retain power. :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[whistle]

1. Bingo! Worse at least in terms of more chaos, more turmoil, more

....plunder and more profits for his cronies

[cali]

7. How does turmoil

particularly in the form of decreased oil production, and inability to continue handing our fat contracts to rebuild, help foster more profits for his cronies?

[whistle]

14. Oil is back up in price to $63 pbl while fat no bid contracts with

...fixed retainers and escape clauses allow the contractors to walk with the cash and not deliver the services contracted for.

Both result in higher profits as in, the cost per barrel of oil at the well is constant at under $1.00 and distribution costs remain fairly steady so the higher the price the more profits. If Iraq oil is stopped, that means supplies are squeezed and the other producers can demand higher prices. This Iraq war has been about plundering the Iraqi oil when it suited the plunderers and turning off the spigot when it made sense to get higher prices.

[Virginia Dare]

2. I've had a full suit of tin foil on all week...

Cheney goes to Saudi Arabia, the Pope goes to Turkey, the chimp shows up in Jordan and gets snubbed by his own puppet. Strange doings indeed.

[HereSince1628]

3. Just wondering...What is "massive" in your mind?

[n2doc]

6. Thousands of casualties

I am outraged by every casualty, US or Iraq. But it is safe to say that the average US citizen cares much more about US troop losses than Iraqi deaths. And for an "event" to sufficiently jolt the US population it would have to be orders of magnitude larger than the (at most) dozen casualties we are sustaining on a bad day. What I am describing is something large and horrendous enough for chimp boy to get his bullhorn out again.


But I also think there is a very good chance that the US population (not the MSM) would not go for it.

[maxsolomon]

4. with iraq in chaos

that oil stays in the ground, & out of european, indian, and most importantly, chinese cars.

when it settles down in 20, 30 years, then we guzzle that up. after that's gone, switch grass & nukular fewszin will save the economy.

see what a long term thinker that little boots is?

[cali]

8. oil is a fungible commodity. n/t

[maxsolomon]

15. not if its sitting underground

are you implying that we are not in iraq to secure its oil for the US market, or at the very least, US corporations? that we don't care if, say, the iranians extract iraqi crude, the kazahks refine it, & the russians sell it to the chinese?

the troops are dying for the oil & our non-negotiable 'way of life'. the objective is to secure our access to that crude.

[Mz Pip]

5. I don't think so

I think we've reached the point of diminishing returns on this. Even if the profit margin is up for some corporations, being in the middle of escalating chaos will not be good indefinitely. Too many things are going wrong and pretty much nothing is going right.

Our military is already stretched to the limit and huge losses will not be a plus for this administration no matter what they do.

BushCo may stay the course as long as he can to make it more difficult for the Democrats to fix the mess, if it is even fixable.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[htuttle]

9. No, they're not half as smart as you think they are...

...and they're not even a tenth as smart as THEY think they are.

They fucked up, bigtime, and their belief systems will prevent them from coming to grips with that until it's way, way too late. And it's already way, way too late.

[MrCoffee]

10. A couple of things...

We're in a shooting war already. They don't really need much of an excuse to start bombing the hell out of whatever they feel like bombing the hell out of. Unless you meant that they'd bomb Iran, which i don't think that even Cheney is batshit crazy enough to do (and i think Cheney is plenty batshit crazy).

An escalation in hostilities, at this point, would probably lead to more discontent at home than it would to support for increased troop deployment. The election was a big wake-up call that we as a nation are sick of this war. I don't think there'd be a whole lot of rallying behind the flag if there were a major incident over there. And an incident over here would not elicit the same response as 9/11.

After all the car bombings, assassinations, and grinding civil war, an escalation of hostilities in Iraq (attack on the Green Zone, massive "Tet Offensive" type assault by the insurgency) is more to be expected than not at this point.

Iraq has become a massive tar baby (in the Brer Rabbit sense of the term), and at this point, i don't think it's possible for Bushco to ever get over the stain. They've failed miserably, abysmally, utterly and totally, and the country is finally awake to that fact.

[C_U_L8R]

11. At first i suspected...

that Bush and his cabal were fucking everything up on purpose to fit
some warped neocon "drown the government in the bathtub" vision.

Now I just believe they are fuckups and simply cannot help themselves.

[baby_mouse]

12. Sigh...

I don't want to be unkind, but I think I'd like to see some *evidence* for this being their goal, in the absence of which, I'll stick to my own assessment of Bushco, namely that they are

STUPID.

[Catchawave]

13. I think there' s over 60% Americans who won't be

rallying to his "side". There's only one legimate MSM news network calling this a civl war, and about 90% of the other MSM targets don't give a crap! I know in my hometown, Iraq news is on the backpage :(

This has been a really weird week for BushCo, too bad more of the mainstream doesn't have access to Olbermann :shrug: