OK Solomon, what do you wish to do with this baby?

[kentuck]

How do you decide who is the real Mother? Lay the baby gently down. Take an axe and cut it in half. And see which Mother will agree with your wise decision? And which half the other will take?

Is this not the present dilemma of the Democratic Party?

[Lerkfish]

1. Well, not exactly.

tenacity to remain in the party could just as easily be an indication of those who wish to subvert it to their own purposes.
If you're a republican shill, whose placement is intended to shift the party rightward so that it becomes irrelevant, you'll sit back
and stay no matter what happens, because you have a job to do.

However, if the shill suceeds and DOES render the party irrelevant and "republican lite", then people who finally leave might really be the real family of the party

so I reject your analogy on its premise.

[kentuck]

2. I'm open to better analogies...

:)

[KSLeftyMom]

3. Whoa, I'd never thought about that

Do you really think there are repuke "infiltrators" of sorts in our party? YIPES.

I don't want to split the democratic party -- but I do think we should remove the spineless wonders from office in 2006 and put in dems who are willing to donkey-kick the shit out of repukes.

[firefox]

4. No. Only now will we see the Big Picture paragraph unite us.

There is such a thing as a big picture. Ask people to write their big picture paragraphs and after they circulate you will see that a majority will agree with those that surface to the top.

Here is an example of a big picture paragraph.

We had a class war where 99% of the people didn't show up and that gave us Wealthy Rule. Puppet Bush represents a group of Empiring PNACers that have engaged the US in a mission of global domination that calls for the milary destruction of those in their way. They call for military supremacy forever, the sole militarization of space, and full spectrum dominance in all classes of weapons. Wealthy Rule has built the machinery of the nation to protect it and that includes the election system with the Largest Minority Rule and not requiring a paper trail on cast votes. It includes a media whose concentration into six powerful allies of Wealthy Rule came by design of a Congress loyal to Wealthy Rule. We are now seeing the Justice system turn to protect Wealthy Rule and their pursuit of Empire. The policy of prohibition was used to trample the Constitution and give us a police state. Wealthy rule is rule by treason. We need to restore the federal governments to a more perfect Union, and one that re-establish Justice, insures domestic Tranquility, provides for the common defense, promotes the general Welfare, and returns the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity. We need a Constitutional convention. We need to stop the Empire, end prohibition, and start the rematch on the class war we lost to Wealthy Rule.

[Jose Diablo]

5. And if a "Constitutional Convention" were organized

Who can say the 'new' constitution would not be written for the benefit of the 'Wealthy Rule'?

I do not see how organizing a 'constitutional convention' would do anything but solidify the 'Wealthy Rule'. We have a perfectly good constitution, what we need is the agents of the government be forced to follow the constitution we have. And for those agents that have violated the law, then they should be placed in jail for a very long time.

The constitution, specifically the Bill of Rights, spells out exactly the limits on what the agents of the government are permitted to do. And these agents have violated those limits, repeatedly. They deserve a lengthy 'time-out'.