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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:47 PM
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Tenth Circuit affirms 55-year mandatory minimum sentence for pot
Tenth Circuit affirms 55-year mandatory minimum sentence in Angelos

In a decision that is not surprising but is still disappointing, the Tenth Circuit has affirmed in US v. Angelos, No. 04-4282 (10th Cir. Jan. 9, 2006) (available here), the sentence given to Weldon Angelos, a first offender who was begrudgingly sentenced to 55 years' imprisonment by Judge Paul Cassell for marijuana sales under federal mandatory minimums. Back in November 2004, the Angelos case made headlines because Judge Cassell wrote a lengthy opinion in which he lamented being compelled to impose a sentence he considered to be cruel, unusual, and irrational. (More background on Judge Cassell's initial remarkable decision is here, and commentary here and here.)

The Tenth Circuit in Angelos concludes "that this is not an 'extraordinary' case in which the sentences at issue are 'grossly disproportionate' to the crimes for which they were imposed." In a remarkable passage, the Tenth Circuit faults Judge Cassell for having "erroneously downplayed the seriousness of Angelos's crimes":

Although the district court concluded that Angelos's sentence was disproportionate to his crimes, we disagree. In our view, the district court failed to accord proper deference to Congress's decision to severely punish criminals who repeatedly possess firearms in connection with drug-trafficking crimes, and erroneously downplayed the seriousness of Angelos's crimes. Although it is true that Angelos had no significant adult criminal history, that appears to have been the result of good fortune rather than Angelos's lack of involvement in criminal activity. The evidence presented by the government at trial clearly established that Angelos was a known gang member who had long used and sold illicit drugs. Further, the government's evidence established that, at the time of his arrest, Angelos was a mid-to-high drug dealer who purchased and in turn sold large quantities of marijuana. In addition, the government's evidence established that Angelos possessed and used a number of firearms, some stolen, to facilitate his drug-dealing activities. Lastly, the evidence established that although Angelos had some involvement in the music industry, he failed to financially profit from that involvement and indeed never reported any positive earnings to the Internal Revenue Service. Thus, the only reasonable inference that could be drawn was that Angelos's sole source of income was his drug-trafficking operations.


To my knowledge, the allegations that Angelos was a tax cheat or possessed stolen guns or sold large quantities of marijuana have never been proven to a jury. But, of course, that would only matter in some alternative universe in which lower federal courts actually take the principles of Blakely seriously. In the Tenth Circuit, apparently a defendant's reputation, and not simply the crimes of conviction, are central to an analysis of the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishments.

Early press coverage of the Tenth Circuit's decision in Angelos is available from the AP and from the Salt Lake Tribune. Though overshadowed by the Alito hearings — and I cannot help but cynically wonder if the timing is not a mere coincidence — the Angelos case will likely get a new round of media attention. But, to echo my recent comments about the dynamics of sentencing reform, I wonder if anyone in the libertarian/conservative crowd, which claims to champion liberty and small government, will speak out against what seems to be an excessively long punishment.



The SCOTUS will decide to hear this case or not this week. What is most important is that it was rumors rather than the conviction itself that sunk him. Such is the world of mandatory sentencing. Bet you didn't know it could happen like this. Indeed, the SCOTUS Blakely decision was supposed to require proof before a jury rather than rumor, but that is the hot debate in legal circles, it seems. Prosecutors ignore it all they can, and judges evidently play along sometimes.

There are links at the blog: http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2006/01/angelos_55year_.html
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:54 PM
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1. wtf is wrong with this country?
Fifty five years for MARIJUANA SALES?! I know numerous folks that grow and sell pot, good Humboldt green gold. It is a major part of the economy here. I know MANY people who smoke it, myself included. It is just part of our norcal landscape. There is a dispensary in my town for people with a doctor's prescription for pot. It astounds me that there is any place left in America where someone could be sentenced to prison for something that I take for granted as recreation, no more or less than drinking a cocktail. Unbelievable.
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dubykc Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:02 PM
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2. It's cutting in on the CIA's action!!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:41 AM
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39. bingo!
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:04 PM
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3. Its a joke, isn't it?
The way I struggled for YEARS with cigarettes, and these morons going after something that never hurt or hooked me no matter how much I smoked, pot? Insane.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:07 PM
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6. Not if you think of the law as upholding the American business model.
There's a LOT of money in incarceration.

The prison lobby is the biggest one in CA according to Joan Didion in "Where I was from".

It sets you back, doesn't it?

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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:45 PM
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16. My next vacation is gonna be to NorCal, mike c.
And you can point me out a good source, lol!!!!!!

Humboldt green gold. I like the sound of that, sorta like Maui Wowee.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 10:32 AM
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40. What's wrong with this country is the far right has long set the agenda for America 'cause
others have shit their pants these past sixty or so years over the thought of being labeled soft on communism, soft on national defense, soft on crime, soft on drugs, you name it. :scared:
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:04 PM
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4. Well you can't really blame the judge. Change the damn law if it is too harsh. nt
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:07 PM
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5. That's the point...
Alberto is fighting tooth and nail against any changes at all. He even called out the "victim's rights" army and asked for their help. No kidding.
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northofdenali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:07 PM
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7. If he'd sold a U-Haul van full of kegs
to underage kids, they'd put him on probation.

This is ridiculous! :wtf:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:42 PM
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15. Or at most a year in county jail.
Even if he had a gun on him.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:23 PM
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8. This country is beyond repair. Cigarettes are legal. Alcohol is legal...
Both of which destroy more lives in a year than pot ever has, and yet the cancer dealers are rewarded with massive profits while this guy gets over half a century in the federal pen.

I'm so disgusted, I'm beyond words. I can't ever force up a long string of expletives. FUCK THE DRUG WAR FASCISTS!
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:28 PM
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9. refuckingdiculous
Fucking insane. 55 years for selling a benign PLANT ??
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:34 PM
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10. It's the RUMOR part that gets me. A freakin' rumor!
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 11:40 PM by madmusic
The blogger assumes, I guess, that progressives would automatically be against cruel and unusual punishment, and so appeals to the libertarians/conservatives who mostly backed these laws. Because he was rumored to be a big drug dealer who used guns and evaded taxes. Not your everyday sit home and watch the tube pot smoker.

But it's the RUMORS! And judges can so enhance a sentence based on RUMORS! Not convictions, RUMORS!

edit typos

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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:39 PM
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11. It is so easy for the 'authorities' to drum up a misleading...
case against a person. If a person sells pot, it is unlikely you are paying taxes on the income - Tax evasion. If, this same person is also a hunter, he likely has guns on his property - wack bam boom..suddenly this person is a tax-evading drug dealer armed with high-powered rifles.

I believe very little anymore, as everything is massaged and exploited...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:41 PM
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14. And if you are brown-skinned
Hanging out with other brown-skinned people can get you labelled a gang member.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:53 PM
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18. So why don't people get pissed?
That's very possible and it could happen to someone's relative or a friend or a relative of friend of a friend. Is it a "I'm safe. Stay away" thing? "It couldn't happen to me," thing?

Or is punitopia so prevalent that no one bothers to second guess it?

I don't get it.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:40 PM
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12. you're right, that's even worse
:(
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:40 PM
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13. Rumors and (probably) racism
With a name like Angelos, he's got to be one of "those" people. You know, the ones who are predisposed to criminal activity :sarcasm:

Assholes. :mad:
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DrBloodmoney Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:48 PM
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17. Why I won't vote Democratic...
... Democratic leaders don't have the balls to stand up to unjust Drug War laws. Until they do, no vote from me. I either vote third-party(throw=away vote) or I don't vote at all.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:59 PM
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19. So why are you here?
Did you catch the name of the website, by any chance?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:15 AM
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22. lots of us nonaligned folks here, friend....
You could be a little more welcoming.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:21 AM
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24. Are you aligned with Richard Perle?
"The greatest triumph of the Iraq war is the destruction of the evil of international law." Richard Perle

I'd hardly call that nonaligned.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:29 AM
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26. what do you think, LOL....
Yeah, I'm an arch neocon in DUer clothing. :rofl:
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:33 AM
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27. No, you're wearing the Richard Perle quote.
:rofl:
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:35 AM
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28. it's a good one, don't you think...?
It pretty much says everything you need to know about the neocons and their toadies.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:47 AM
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31. Yes, says it all, and a lot of freepers agree with it, blindly.
But the Harper's http://www.harpers.org/BaghdadYearZero.html">"Baghdad: Year Zero" says it all. The neocons are dead for at least a generation.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:02 AM
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20. Barney Frank stood up for medical marijuana during a debate.
The Rethugs were railing on about "social control" and "public safety" and how relaxing any laws would cause havoc. They are terrified of another 60s. They are terrified of not being in total control. We all know the type. They become unhinged when they lose a little bit of control and they take it very personally.

I don't think most of the public even knows what these mandatory sentencing laws are doing. People would be shocked at how harsh mandatory sentences are for non-violent crimes over the last 12 years under conservative rule. Once they learn, they would undoubtedly support the Democrats in change. There is already a lot of speculation that the Dems will make changes, but they need to know we the public won't hold it against them.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:06 AM
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21. This should be the push needed to change the law. Manditory
Edited on Tue Nov-21-06 12:07 AM by McCamy Taylor
55 minimum would also apply to a grandmother selling it to her sewing circle for medical use, if she sold it by mail.

All that bs about the defendents rep was unnecessary icing that the appeals court piled on for pr reasons. Mandatory minimum sentencing is mandatory minimum sentencing. It means if the Pope does it 'cause God tells him to, he is going to jail.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:19 AM
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23. This sentence was insane. Murderers in some states get less time
The Supreme Court needs to hear this case.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:25 AM
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25. They will decide tomorrow. Here's the whole skinny on it...
http://sentencing.typepad.com/sentencing_law_and_policy/2006/11/what_are_the_od.html

It will be one to watch. If they decline to hear it, it will be out of deference to the legislature, meaning the legislature/Congress can experiment and be assholes if the want to. Then it will be up to the voters to demand change.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:36 AM
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30. Well *THIS* voter demands change
and I don't smoke anything or even drink alcohol.
This is the result of zealouts getting their hands on power.
We need a media outlet, Amy Goodman is right on the money there.
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 12:35 AM
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29. 55 years multiplied by $20,000 a year
Oh just a little over a million dollars .. :eyes:
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 07:48 AM
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34. and guess who benefits: the privitized prison system
nr one booming business these days.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:53 AM
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36. I am guessing $20,000 is a conservative figure.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:21 AM
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32. His real crime? Exercising his right to trial:
On November 13, 2002, Petitioner Weldon Angelos
was charged in a five-count indictment, including one
count of carrying or possessing a firearm during or in
relation to a drug trafficking crime in violation of 18
U.S.C. § 924(c).2 Plea negotiations between the government
and Angelos went as follows:

On January 20, 2003, the government told Mr.
Angelos, through counsel, that if he pled guilty to
the drug distribution count and the § 924(c)
count, the government would agree to drop all
other charges, not supersede the indictment with
additional counts, and recommend a prison sentence
of 15 years. The government made clear to
Mr. Angelos that if he rejected the offer, the government
would obtain a new superseding indictment
adding several § 924(c) counts that could
lead to Mr. Angelos facing more than 100 years of
mandatory prison time.

App. 35-36. When plea negotiations were unsuccessful, the
government obtained two superseding indictments on,
respectively, June 18, 2003 and October 1, 2003. It eventually
charged Angelos with twenty total counts, including
five violations of 18 U.S.C. § 924(c), which carried a
potential mandatory minimum sentence of 105 years.
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 06:57 AM
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33. People should rise up, drive a bulldozer through the jailhouse
and liberate this political prisoner.

55 years for weed in this day and age, what a unHoly crock of shit that is.

"This should not stand", to borrow a quote from a popular jackass.
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 08:06 AM
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35. I worry about my country when pot-peddlers.......
are filling our jails and violent offenders are walking the streets. Some kind of mixed-up priorities working there.
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:21 AM
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37. Reading up on this he sold $350 worth of pot twice
I would like to know how much they actually found when they searched his house.

But $350 of weed really isn't that much weed. If this was high grade thats only 1 ounce of pot. To get 55 years for selling 2 ounces of pot on 2 seperate occasions is absolute bullshit.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:55 PM
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42. 55 years for two tons would be ridiculous. It is an obscenity, perpetrated in our
name, simply to placate the terrified sheep.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 02:09 PM
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43. Love this!
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin 1759

:toast:

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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 03:05 PM
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44. Thanks, it sums up one of the sheeple's fundamental lapses of understanding
regarding the nature of our country.:patriot:

I wonder what he would go back and tell his contemporaries to do, if he could see us now?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 09:39 AM
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38. The danger of pot to the New World Order
It's an attitude problem. Hard drugs are ok to the NWO crowd because it's an easy way to control people and there's a lot of money to be made. Look at Afghanistan, where the production of Opium is way above what it was when the Taliban were in charge.
Pot is a different issue because it's not very addictive, so you can't control people by manipulation of the supply and pot heads really don't give a shit, so getting them worked up and into the NWO Mantra is a losing proposition, besides, anybody can grow their own, so it's not something where the market can be controlled except to impose severe penalties on dealers.

Prisons are big business, and with increased privatization, the profit motive comes to the fore. More prisoners, more profit. Add on prison industries and it gets even worse.Pot heads who otherwise aren't hardened criminals are the ideal prisoners for the prison industry program because many are educated and have skills that become valuable to the bottom line and many if not most already have a good work ethic. It's legalized slavery and all you need to do to become a prison slave is to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-21-06 01:43 PM
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41. Today at the Supreme Court: 11/21/06
07:49 AM | Jason Harrow | Comments (0)

The Court is holding a private Conference today on new and pending cases, and it could issue orders later in the day. Otherwise, orders will be issued Monday, 11/27, at 10 AM eastern. You can see our "Petitions to Watch" for today's Conference here.

If orders are issued this afternoon, we will post them promptly.

with the links: http://www.scotusblog.com/movabletype/
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