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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:47 PM
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Anyone know WHY Bill Clinton waited 5 YEARS to counter RW attacks blaming him for 9-11?
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 04:53 PM by blm
He certainly seemed to have so much PENT UP anger over the attacks, so I wonder why he stayed so silent for so long.

It just seems so odd that his war rooom mentality decided to let 5 years worth of attacks just slip on by with no countering them. That movie he was angry about was based on at least EIGHT BOOKS and 5 years of claims against him.

I'm glad he FINALLY exploded back at the RW when he jabbed his finger at Chris Wallace, but why did he let the anger build up for so long first?

Did Poppy Bush tell him to hold his tongue so Bush2 could continue getting away with calling Democrats weak on terror for 5 years?

Is there a 5 year agreement between presidents that they aren't allowed to criticize each other?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:50 PM
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1. Yes I would like to know why also
Why Bill, why?
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 04:59 PM
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2. in the art of countering RW attacks
I would say Clinton has to be considered the grandmaster, if only because he's had so much practice at it.

His ways at practicing this art are beyond my mortal comprehension, but I am pretty confident that following Poppy's orders is not part of it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:08 PM
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3. That doesn't explain the 5 year delay - you think it's TACTICAL that he delayed
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 05:20 PM by blm
his counter for 5 years because it would be more effective for HIM in the long run, or because the country deserved to be further misled for those 5 years?

I just can't figure out WHY wait so long, especially while the meme that Dems are weak on terror was being fortified throughout that time USING the smears against Clinton that never went countered by HIM.

I AM surprised that you think Clinton has no call to heed Poppy Bush - Parry makes it clear that there is something that makes Clinton susceptible to an inordinate amount of goodwill that he keeps directing towards Poppy Bush and his dim son.

A further mystery no doubt prompted by Bill's BRILLIANCE as a tactician, I guess.

(btw - don't want opportunity to go by without a nod to you - ;) )


Democrats, the Truth Still Matters!
By Robert Parry
(First Posted May 11, 2006)

Editor's Note: With the Democratic victories in the House and Senate, there is finally the opportunity to demand answers from the Bush administration about important questions, ranging from Dick Cheney's secret energy policies to George W. Bush's Iraq War deceptions. But the Democrats are sure to be tempted to put the goal of "bipartisanship" ahead of the imperative for truth.

Democrats, being Democrats, always want to put governance, such as enacting legislation and building coalitions, ahead of oversight, which often involves confrontation and hard feelings. Democrats have a difficult time understanding why facts about past events matter when there are problems in the present and challenges in the future.

Given that proclivity, we are re-posting a story from last May that examined why President Bill Clinton and the last Democratic congressional majority (in 1993-94) shied away from a fight over key historical scandals from the Reagan-Bush-I years -- and the high price the Democrats paid for that decision:

My book, Secrecy & Privilege, opens with a scene in spring 1994 when a guest at a White House social event asks Bill Clinton why his administration didn’t pursue unresolved scandals from the Reagan-Bush era, such as the Iraqgate secret support for Saddam Hussein’s government and clandestine arms shipments to Iran.

Clinton responds to the questions from the guest, documentary filmmaker Stuart Sender, by saying, in effect, that those historical questions had to take a back seat to Clinton’s domestic agenda and his desire for greater bipartisanship with the Republicans.

Clinton “didn’t feel that it was a good idea to pursue these investigations because he was going to have to work with these people,” Sender told me in an interview. “He was going to try to work with these guys, compromise, build working relationships.”

Clinton’s relatively low regard for the value of truth and accountability is relevant again today because other centrist Democrats are urging their party to give George W. Bush’s administration a similar pass if the Democrats win one or both houses of Congress.

Reporting about a booklet issued by the Progressive Policy Institute, a think tank of the Democratic Leadership Council, the Washington Post wrote, “these centrist Democrats … warned against calls to launch investigations into past administration decisions if Democrats gain control of the House or Senate in the November elections.”

These Democrats also called on the party to reject its “non-interventionist left” wing, which opposed the Iraq War and which wants Bush held accountable for the deceptions that surrounded it.

“Many of us are disturbed by the calls for investigations or even impeachment as the defining vision for our party for what we would do if we get back into office,” said pollster Jeremy Rosner, calling such an approach backward-looking.

Yet, before Democrats endorse the DLC’s don’t-look-back advice, they might want to examine the consequences of Clinton’s decision in 1993-94 to help the Republicans sweep the Reagan-Bush scandals under the rug. Most of what Clinton hoped for – bipartisanship and support for his domestic policies – never materialized.

‘Politicized’ CIA

After winning Election 1992, Clinton also rebuffed appeals from members of the U.S. intelligence community to reverse the Reagan-Bush “politicization” of the CIA’s analytical division by rebuilding the ethos of objective analysis even when it goes against a President’s desires.

Instead, in another accommodating gesture, Clinton gave the CIA director’s job to right-wing Democrat, James Woolsey, who had close ties to the Reagan-Bush administration and especially to its neoconservatives.

One senior Democrat told me Clinton picked Woolsey as a reward to the neocon-leaning editors of the New Republic for backing Clinton in Election 1992.

“I told that the New Republic hadn’t brought them enough votes to win a single precinct,” the senior Democrat said. “But they kept saying that they owed this to the editors of the New Republic.”

During his tenure at the CIA, Woolsey did next to nothing to address the CIA’s “politicization” issue, intelligence analysts said. Woolsey also never gained Clinton’s confidence and – after several CIA scandals – was out of the job by January 1995.

At the time of that White House chat with Stuart Sender, Clinton thought that his see-no-evil approach toward the Reagan-Bush era would give him an edge in fulfilling his campaign promise to “focus like a laser beam” on the economy.

He was taking on other major domestic challenges, too, like cutting the federal deficit and pushing a national health insurance plan developed by First Lady Hillary Clinton.

So for Clinton, learning the truth about controversial deals between the Reagan-Bush crowd and the autocratic governments of Iraq and Iran just wasn’t on the White House radar screen. Clinton also wanted to grant President George H.W. Bush a gracious exit.

“I wanted the country to be more united, not more divided,” Clinton explained in his 2004 memoir, My Life. “President Bush had given decades of service to our country, and I thought we should allow him to retire in peace, leaving the (Iran-Contra) matter between him and his conscience.”

Unexpected Results

Clinton’s generosity to George H.W. Bush and the Republicans, of course, didn’t turn out as he had hoped. Instead of bipartisanship and reciprocity, he was confronted with eight years of unrelenting GOP hostility, attacks on both his programs and his personal reputation.

Later, as tensions grew in the Middle East, the American people and even U.S. policymakers were flying partially blind, denied anything close to the full truth about the history of clandestine relationships between the Reagan-Bush team and hostile nations in the Middle East.

Clinton’s failure to expose that real history also led indirectly to the restoration of Bush Family control of the White House in 2001. Despite George W. Bush’s inexperience as a national leader, he drew support from many Americans who remembered his father’s presidency fondly.

If the full story of George H.W. Bush’s role in secret deals with Iraq and Iran had ever been made public, the Bush Family’s reputation would have been damaged to such a degree that George W. Bush’s candidacy would not have been conceivable.

Not only did Clinton inadvertently clear the way for the Bush restoration, but the Right’s political ascendancy wiped away much of the Clinton legacy, including a balanced federal budget and progress on income inequality. A poorly informed American public also was easily misled on what to do about U.S. relations with Iraq and Iran.

In retrospect, Clinton’s tolerance of Reagan-Bush cover-ups was a lose-lose-lose – the public was denied information it needed to understand dangerous complexities in the Middle East, George W. Bush built his presidential ambitions on the nation’s fuzzy memories of his dad, and Republicans got to enact a conservative agenda.

Clinton’s approach also reflected a lack of appreciation for the importance of truth in a democratic Republic. If the American people are expected to do their part in making sure democracy works, they need to be given at least a chance of being an informed electorate.

Yet, Clinton – and now some pro-Iraq War Democrats – view truth as an expendable trade-off when measured against political tactics or government policies. In reality, accurate information about important events is the lifeblood of democracy.

Though sometimes the truth can hurt, Clinton and the Democrats should understand that covering up the truth can hurt even more. As Clinton’s folly with the Reagan-Bush scandals should have taught, the Democrats may hurt themselves worst of all when helping the Republicans cover up the truth.

Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories in the 1980s for the Associated Press and Newsweek. His latest book, Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq, can be ordered at secrecyandprivilege.com. It's also available at Amazon.com, as is his 1999 book, Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, the Press & 'Project Truth.'

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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:22 PM
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7. The mystery is that Clinton has a former President
puts the ideal of the 'office of the presidency' ahead of people.

Keep in mind that until Dimson became pResident, it was considered bad taste for a former President to even criticize a sitting President (or vise versa).

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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:29 PM
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11. if you agree with Parry, then you shouldn't like Clinton's Fox interview
Clinton didn't at all fundamentally challenge the right wing approach to examining 9/11. He in fact reinforced the framing of it as being preventable by military action.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:35 PM
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12. I agree with Parry that 9-11 would have been prevented by pursuing the outstanding
matters that were ongoing when Clinton took office, but instead he downplayed or ignored them in his effort to provide Poppy Bush with a 'peaceful retirement" as Clinton claims in his book.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:12 PM
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4. His health?
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:19 PM
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6. Was thinkin that too. A starving heart muscle slows folks down
and takes some of the fight outta them.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:13 PM
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5. Because of how people hear things, and when
Folks were pumped up, bush was the man, country was coming together, etc. Clinton knew it would take time for people to open their minds. Once they started to see this regime for what it was they would listen.

Strike when the iron is hot, and after you have pulled it out of the fire it was in.

The tide turned, and he hopped on his surf board and rode the wave. Or maybe 'Roved the wave' ;)
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:34 PM
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8. I think because all those books were just little blips
on the radar of the public. While many of us read, there are many more who get their info from TV. I think it was the publicity of the movie that made the time right. If he had said something before, it would have fell on deaf ears, because not one of the books made it into the main stream media.

zalinda
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 06:04 PM
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10. Those attacks on him were on TV almost every night for the first 2 years after 9-11.
That's how the meme "Dems are weak on terror" grew into the monster that wouldn't die, especially with NO COUNTER from the one being smeared - Bill Clinton.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 05:36 PM
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9. I've heard Clinton defend himself against those accusations
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 05:38 PM by creeksneakers2
before many times. There was an extensive defense of Clinton before the 9/11 Commission.

There simply is no five year absence of Clinton sticking up for himself about the hunt for Osama. I don't know why you think there was.
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verdalaven Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:53 PM
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13. Was that the first time Clinton was asked directly about 9-11?
I don't remember another reporter being as big a jerk to his face as Wallace.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:57 PM
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15. Yes, and that is a good answer to the OP question.
One does not have an obligation to refute all the lies put out there.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 11:01 AM
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43. If the repost of Parry's May of 06' summary is supposed to be an
accurate accounting of a factual sequence of events...He's way short on delivering an accurate historical time line.
After all, it is a fact the election was stolen from Gore because Gore won the 2000' election.

Another factor Parry conveniently omits is, during Clinton's entire tenure he was saddled with a Republican controlled Congress. What chance did Clinton have investigating Iran/Contra, when he would have zero Congressional support? And weren't Special Prosecutors appointed to relentlessly pursue the Clintons during President Clinton's
8 yr tenure?

Parry's article looks like it is designed to sell his books rather than provide the readership with a historically accurate time line, where the reader is able to draw his own conclusions.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 07:56 PM
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14. Anyone know why Kerry is STILL not talking about the stolen election 2004?
All these obsessive attacks on Clinton get tiresome to me. At least he did counteract them and his time wad good - it changed the discourse before the elections.
Most people in this country STILL think Jr was elected thanks to your protegee.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:04 PM
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16. How come a Democratic party that didn't back him up in 04 isn't talking about it?
So easy to blame people, isn't it?
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:55 PM
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18. Yeah. As the OP illustrates.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:00 PM
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20. Thanks for dodging the question
Edited on Sun Nov-19-06 09:02 PM by politicasista
You still haven't asked why didn't other Democrats back Kerry up and talk about the stolen election? Has Gore said anything? If so, links please. Why did they stay silent? Your double standard is very obvious.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:46 AM
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29. Kerry was the candidate - HIS responsibility in this one. Others are
also responsible for their own actions/inactions, but that doesn't make Kerry's burden any lighter. Until he comes clean on that one, the word "elections" and "candidacy" should not be spoken by him. To me.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:21 AM
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40. Kerry didn't have the 'math' to support him just like Allen and Burns didn't have
the math.

When you don't have legal evidenceb in hand to continue in court, and don't have the cushion of the math on your side, there is nothing else you CAN do but concede at that point.

And it's not like DNC was going to be there for him in any shape or form.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 08:23 PM
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17. Most people think Bush1 was a good man thanks to BILL CLINTON.
And Kerry can't do anything without eveidence in hand toi contest an election.

Clinton HAD evidence in hand on outstanding matters that would have fully exposed BushInc, much of it was collected over the years by Kerry - but what did Clinton choose to do? Keep the books closed, even the CIA drugrunning documents that showed up in 1995.
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:00 PM
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19. But knowing W wasn't elected and we were a majority was more relevant
to our lives - at least up to now.
None of them come clean with us, but you seem to feel the bar is lower for some than others.
I wish too that Clinton investigated Iran Contra et al and not hang around with Poppy. But to hold Kerry as the shiny example of courage and openness after his actions post election day 2004 undermines your credibility.
As for 911 answer, I am pleased with the time and manner it came about and find the OP question in bad faith.
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Election Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:15 PM
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22. Just because Clinton may respect the Bushes as people doesn't mean he supports their politics
n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:15 AM
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35. He supported them enough to cover up many of their most serious crimes.
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 09:17 AM by blm
And who kept popping up on Larry King Live from 2001-2005 supporting many of BushInc's decisions throughout that time and talking positively about the Bushboy?
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Election Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 09:14 PM
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21. Two words - political ability
n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:17 PM
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23. Clinton has been "triangulating" since 1994.
He gives the Repubs concessions, in the hopes that the Repubs will return a civil favor. He just keeps turning the other cheek and they just keep hitting him. I guess, it took 12 years for him to realize that he's dreaming.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:22 PM
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24. A notable figure bringing what was then a fringe accusation to the fore...
...just disseminates it to a larger audience. For a long time, anyone who believed it was also someone unlikely to change their minds about Clinton or the Democrats no matter what because it was circulating amongst the far right. When it showed up in a documentary aimed at the general public, the rumor was then at a point where it would do more good than harm to refute it.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:36 PM
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25. Because it was all Bush blabber by idiots. But then when the MSM started
started repeating it after the 9-11 report came out to indirectly attack Hillary he got angry....especially when that evil smirking critter on FOX started in...he blew it. Thank goodness he did because between Clinton and Mertha the Democrats finally got their voice (to put it nicely) back.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-19-06 11:51 PM
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26. Maybe it seemed like the best time
Right before these elections.

And after the dreadful "Path to 911" fakumentary.

At some other time it might have fallen flat as not current enough or not be worth taking seriously enough. Blaming Clinton for 911 is just not something you can take seriously maybe, until that documentary tried to make it look like it had some merit to it.

Taking every RW accusation as serious keeps Democrats on the defensive too much. They accuse, Dems defend, and they keep controlling and framing it that way. It's time to accuse them and accuse them over and over so they get a taste of their own medicine. And they are guilty a lot of the time, too!
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:15 AM
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27. Anyone know why Bill waited till his Presidency was over
To speak out about the horrors of people going to jail for possessing just a little marijuana?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:25 AM
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28. Because nothing matters but Hil and Bill
Just a little guess.

The man has done nothing but piss all over our party, implemented policies that ended up hurting more than helping, presided over an economy fueled by Bill Gates, and didn't fight back on one social issue in 8 years.

Yet people STILL clamor for him while deriding the other half of the country for gushing over Bush the Buffoon. Note to country - a charming sociopath is a charming sociopath is a charming sociopath.

People who really can make a difference? Nah, we don't want them. They might tell a bad joke every 20 years.

What a bunch of friggin' idiots in this country. Chock damn full.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:45 AM
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34. Actually, he did block some of the worst Repub initiatives
In retrospect, that's not nearly enough. Still, it's light years better than what we have now.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:22 AM
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41. But his other decision to cover up the worst crimes caused all his GOOD works to be
dismantled once BushInc got back into power.
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Jcrowley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:50 AM
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30. I don't know
Is it NAFTA related?

:shrug:
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:56 AM
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31. Maybe The Vince Foster "Suicide" hadn't fully settled with Bill yet?...
too many unanswered question and funny things going on with that one.
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petgoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:30 AM
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33. I was angered by Bill's chummy relationship with Poppy right
after the 2004 election. He seemed to be endorsing W's legitimacy. I resented that,
and it puzzled me. Then I learned about Barry Seal. I'd always thought those
tales about the Mena Arkansas drug flights when Clinton was governor were just a
right-wing fairy tale. But Barry Seal was CIA, and the Mena flights were a CIA
operation. That explains Bill's cozy relationship with Poppy.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:08 AM
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39. I agree
And also the strage coincidences surrounding the Murrah building bombing.
Poppy's Iraqi refugees and the rush to kill McVeigh.
:shrug:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 10:25 AM
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42. And why he NEEDED IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning covered up as much
as Poppy did?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 01:00 AM
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32. there's all this "good old boy" DC bullshit
in the Senate

among ex-Presidents

among those who are insiders and those who are not . . .

it is only one of the problems with DC (which needs to be flushed like any overflowing toilet)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:31 AM
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36. clinton has NEVER been one to blame others like towers in 93
or somalia. and he has always been a cheerleader for cooperative govt. those two things are both his strength and weakness and i think indicative of personality and way he was raised.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:33 AM
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37. He's obviously a republican double-agent
Edited on Mon Nov-20-06 09:35 AM by bigtree
or, maybe there's a less cynical explanation


New Covenant Address at Georgetown University

October 18, 2006
Washington, DC

{snip}

When I gave these Georgetown speeches, they allowed me to set out this construct of equal opportunities, shared responsibilities, inclusive community, and an aggressive approach to engagement with the rest of the world. I thought that they were consistent with the traditional American values of work and family, freedom and responsibility, faith and tolerance; that as a Democrat I was being faithful to Andrew Jackson’s credo of opportunity for all and special privileges for none, to President Kennedy’s call for mutual responsibly and citizen service, and to Franklin Roosevelt’s commitment to continuous innovation – to bold, persistent experimentation.

I also asked there and throughout the ’92 campaign for a political debate that engaged these things, that moved away from what I then thought was an unacceptable level of partisanship and rancor and a tendency to let elections turn on issues that had nothing to do with the decisions that leaders would make after the election was over, or the consequences on ordinary people’s lives – the politics of division and personal destruction.

I frequently cited in that year a book that was written that I think has special relevance today, even though for all of you 15 years is a lifetime ago. And I swear this was in my notes before I saw him in the audience, but E. J. Dionne, this distinguished columnist for The Washington Post, wrote a book called Why Americans Hate Politics, and the central thesis was that Americans hate politics because it seems irrelevant to them, and they feel like they’re being manipulated because they’re always being asked to make false choices: you’re either pro-labor or pro-business, you’re pro-growth or pro-environment, you’re for a strong national defense or for trying to make an agreement with everybody no matter how crazy they are – that there’s always an either/or choice. And the truth is, most of us don’t think that way, most of us don’t live our lives that way, and most of us long for a politics where we have genuine arguments, vigorous disagreements, but we don’t claim to have the whole truth, and we don’t demonize our opponents, and we’re really trying to work on what works best for the American people.

Everybody knows this kind of down deep in their gut. That’s why – I think that’s why I’ve gotten such a strong response to the work I’ve done with former President Bush since I left office on the tsunami and on Katrina, and with former Senator Dole, who was my opponent in ’96. We raised $100 million to guarantee a college education to the spouses and children of all the people killed or disabled on 9/11.

It’s not that we want a bland, mushy, meaningless politics. We like our debates. The country has been well-served by its progressive and by its conservative traditions. We understand that campaigns will be heated and only one side can win, but we want it to be connected somehow to the real lives of real people, to the aspirations of ordinary Americans, to the future of our children and grandchildren.

Now, this sort of politics – striving for the common good – for me stands in stark contrast to both the political and governing philosophy of the leadership in Washington today and for the last six years. The more ideological, right-wing element of the Republican Party has been building strength, partly in reaction to things that happened 40 years ago: to Barry Goldwater’s defeat, to what they saw as the excesses of the ‘60s. It got a lot of legs when President Reagan was elected, but this is the first time when, on a consistent basis, the most conservative, most ideological wing of the Republican Party has had both the executive and the legislative branch, with a very distinct governing philosophy and a very distinct political philosophy.

Where us common-good folks favor equal opportunity and empowerment, they believe the country is best served by the maximum concentration of wealth and power in the hands of the right people – right in both senses. (Laughter.) We believe in mutual responsibility. They believe that in large measure people make or break their own lives, and you’re on your own. We believe in striving at least to cooperate with others, because we think that there are very few problems in the world we can solve on our own. They favor unilateralism whenever possible and cooperation when it’s unavoidable.

And you may think that’s laughable, but even today in the press, there’s a story about the Administration’s new policy on national security in space, which points out that 160 nations were asked to vote to begin negotiations – not to prejudge the outcome, just to begin negotiations – on making outer space weapons-free, and the vote was 159 to 1 to do it. We were the only country that didn’t do it.

I’ll give you another example which has caused us a lot of problems, which I almost never read about it in the press. There is legitimate concern about the North Korean nuclear test, about what Iran’s nuclear ambitions are, and neither of these problems have easy solutions now. But our position has been weakened because for at least half – I’m sorry I don’t know how many – but at least half of the last six years, the Administration has asked for funds to research the development of two new nuclear weapons. One, a nuclear bunker buster, even though we have a conventional nuclear bunker buster that’s quite powerful; and two, a so-called tactical battlefield nuclear weapon, which the administration admits that, had it been deployed – they say it’s small – but had it been deployed in the Iraq conflict, it would have taken out 25 percent of Baghdad.

So there is this sense that the world is divided between the good guys and the bad guys, and the good guys should have their nuclear weapons, and the bad guys shouldn’t. We might all feel that way, but it’s a very hard argument to make.

I had an 8th grade science teacher who was one of the most physically unattractive people I ever met in my life. (Laughter.) He had thick Coke-bottle glasses, and he smoked cheap cigars in a cigar holder that caused his mouth to pinch. And he had been a football coach before he became a science teacher, and he gained a little weight after he turned to science, and he still wore the same clothes.

Let me tell you why I said this. One day in class he said to us – I was 13 at that time; 47 years ago – he said, “You won’t remember anything about science in a few years, so if you don’t remember anything else in class that I teach you, remember this: every day, I get up and I go to my bathroom, and I wash my face, throw water in my eyes, and I shave. I wipe the shaving cream off. I look in the mirror and say: Vernon, you’re beautiful.” And by the end of the year he was beautiful to me. I say that to remind you it is very hard to succeed in politics when you’re telling people they’re ugly all the time. You have to oppose people who do things that are wrong, but it’s very hard to say there’s going to be one set of rules for me and another set for everyone else.

I think the common-good approach on national security worked. It was a combination of carrots and sticks. We did have military encounters. We didn’t succeed at everything we tried to do, but I think on balance the world was safer when we stopped than when we started.

Now, the same thing works in politics. I think the central challenge to American politics today is that what I would call the uncommon-good approach has been so successful. It may not be in three weeks, but it has been. We believe in a politics – us common-good folks – dominated by evidence and argument. There is a big difference between a philosophy and an ideology, on the right or the left. If you have a philosophy, it generally pushes you in a certain direction or another, but like all philosophers, you want to engage in discussion and argument. You are open to evidence, to new learning, and you are certainly open to debate the practical applications of your philosophy. Therefore, you might wind up making a principled agreement with someone with a different philosophy.

If you look at the welfare reform legislation which passed, for example, when I was President, I vetoed the first two bills because they took away the guarantee of food and medicine for poor people. When those things were put back in, I signed it. Some people who shared my philosophy did disagree with my decision, because they said that we shouldn’t have a hard and fast requirement for people on welfare who were able-bodied to work. I disagreed. I thought work was the best social program, and I thought it would help to overcome a lot of the pathologies in the families of poor people. And I also think you should never patronize the poor. They’re basically as smart as the rest of us, but without the same breaks. So I thought that.

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The problem with ideology is, if you’ve got an ideology, you’ve already got your mind made up. You know all the answers, and that makes evidence irrelevant and argument a waste of time, so you tend to govern by assertion and attack. The problem with that is: that discourages thinking and gives you bad results.

This new Bob Woodward book, State of Denial, is well named, but I think it’s important to point out that if you’re an ideologue, denial is an essential part of your political being – whichever side. If you’re an ideologue, you’ve got your mind made up, so when an inconvenient fact pops up, you have to be in denial. It has to be a less significant fact.

Ron Suskind wrote a related book called The One Percent Doctrine. I don’t know if any of you read that. He also co-wrote former Bush Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill’s memoirs. But the most interesting thing to me in this One Percent Doctrine is not the part that people have talked about, about 9/11. I don’t know whether that’s true or not, but Mr. Suskind says in The One Percent Doctrine that the ideologues within the current government refer to people not just like me, although I’m included, but even moderate Republicans like Colin Powell and Admiral Scowcroft as somehow lesser political mortals, because we are trapped in, quote, “the reality-based world.” And what they mean by that – in fairness to them, what they mean by that is that we are an empire, we’re the world’s only military superpower, and you can use power to change reality. And if you don’t see that, then you will always be condemning your country to a lesser status.

When I was a kid, I grew up in an alcoholic home. I spent half my childhood trying to get into the reality-based world, and I like it here. People ask me all the time, “What great new idea did you and Bob Rubin bring to economic policymaking in Washington?” I say, “You know, Rubin came down, and he put all that fancy Goldman Sachs-type spin on what we were doing, but the truth is all we brought to Washington was arithmetic.” I had this dumb idea that if two and two equaled four in Little Rock, it probably did in Washington. And sure enough, I turned out to be right.

Now, we’re all laughing here, but I want you to laugh so I can make a point. This is not about conservative or liberal philosophies. You can argue whether on problem X or Y or Z you need more or less government. You can argue whether you get more growth from stimulating the business side of things or training workers better. You can have an argument about trade, about whether you should be more protectionist or more free trade, or whether you need what I think: trade, plus labor and environmental standards to lift everybody around the world.

You can have these arguments, but in every case the evidence is relevant. In every case, the act of entering into a conversation with someone else and listening to what they have to say means that you know you might not be right about everything. You might have something to learn. There might be an ongoing process in which, when you put all these perspectives together, you come out with something that will actually move the ball forward toward a more perfect union, something that will actually make lives better for ordinary Americans.

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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 09:46 AM
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38. Call me crazy, but I think Bill cut a deal with Poppy to get Hillary
in the whitehouse. Kind of like the deal McCain did with dubby. What they all don't realize is that any deal with bushco can be reneged on at any time. And people die who deal with the regime.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:39 PM
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44. There are alot of rightwingers who believed the same when W took office.
The Constitutionalist RW groups.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-20-06 12:54 PM
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45. I always thought he was trying to make nice with the 'pukes
in hopes of bringing the country together. They, of course, only screwed him even more for it.
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