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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:20 PM
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I wouldn't support Murtha (not that anyone's asking)
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 02:36 PM by troublemaker
I'll support whoever wins, of course, but Murtha isn't ringing my bells. I understand the desire for a staunch opponant of Iraq, but geez... there must be someone against the war who has a higher rating from the ACLU than from the John Birch Society.

The problem is that we would get no "moderation" credit for his social conservatism because he is (incorrectly) viewed as an extreme lefty by much of the country solely because of Iraq. So it's lose-lose.

Some Murtha ratings:
0% - NARAL
0% - Planned Parenthood
34% - Humane Society
44% - ACLU
50% - John Birch Society
50% - Eagle Forum (Phyllis Schlafly)
53% - Christian Coalition
70% - National Right to Life

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/11/steny-hoyer-d-md-says-he-has-votes-to.html

http://americablog.blogspot.com/2006/06/murthas-tad-more-complicated-than.html
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:25 PM
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1. I agree with Murtha's war stance, but his social views bother me too.
I have also noticed that he makes some mistakes when he talks- inaccuracies, stumbling over words, etc. that would make him an easy target for derision.

I would support either Murtha or Hoyer, but I do worry about the issues you raised.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:25 PM
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2. I'm not enthusiastic about John Murtha or Steny Hoyer, but...
...maybe the concept is that liberals get a Speaker we like, Nancy Pelosi, and conservatives get a House Majority Leader they like.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:25 PM
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3. Murtha was also chastised by CREW
Edited on Sun Nov-12-06 02:28 PM by IanDB1
For Immediate Release:
September 20, 2006


Contact:
NAOMI SELIGMAN STEINER - 202.408.5565

CREW RELEASES SECOND ANNUAL MOST CORRUPT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS REPORT
2006 Edition Includes Five Members to Watch in 109th Congress

Washington, DC – Today, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) released its second annual report on the most corrupt members of Congress entitled Beyond DeLay: The 20 Most Corrupt Members of Congress (and five to watch). This encyclopedic report on corruption in the 109th Congress documents the egregious, unethical and possibly illegal activities of the most tainted members of Congress. CREW has compiled the members’ transgressions and analyzed them in light of federal laws and congressional rules.

Two members have been removed from last year’s list of 13. Rep. Randy “Duke” Cunningham (R-CA) is now serving an eight-year jail term for bribery and Rep. Bob Ney (R-OH) has agreed to plead guilty to crimes that will likely result in a minimum two-year prison term.

CREW has also re-launched the report’s tandem website, www.beyonddelay.org. The site offers short summaries of each member’s transgressions as well as the full-length profiles and all accompanying exhibits.

CREW’s Most Corrupt Members of Congress:

Members of the Senate:
Conrad Burns (R-MT)
Bill Frist (R-TN)
Rick Santorum (R-PA)

Members of the House:
Alan Mollohan (D-WV)
Roy Blunt (R-MO)
Marilyn Musgrave (R-CO)
Ken Calvert (R-CA)
Richard Pombo (R-CA)
John Doolittle (R-CA)
Rick Renzi (R-AZ)
Tom Feeney (R-FL)
Pete Sessions (R-TX)
Katherine Harris (R-FL)
John Sweeney (R-NY)
William Jefferson (D-LA
Charles Taylor (R-NC)
Jerry Lewis (R-CA)
Maxine Waters (D-CA)
Gary Miller (R-CA)
Curt Weldon (R-PA)

Five Members to Watch:


Chris Cannon (R-UT)
J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ)
Dennis Hastert (R-IL)
John Murtha (D-PA)
Don Sherwood (R-PA)

“CREW created this exhaustive go-to guide on corruption in Congress to expose and hold accountable those members of Congress who believe they are above the law,” Melanie Sloan, executive director of CREW said today. “The officials named in this report have chosen to enrich themselves and their families and friends by abusing the power of their office, rather than work for the public good. Their collective corruption affects all Americans.”

An August 2006 Harris poll shows that 77% of Americans have a negative view of Congress and a May 2006 Gallup poll indicates that 83% of Americans consider corruption a serious issue.

Sloan continued, “Congress persists in abdicating its constitutional responsibility to police itself, opting to ignore the ethical and legal transgressions of its members. Luckily for the public, at least the Department of Justice still believes that political corruption is worth pursuing.”

Several other members’ careers have been tarnished or destroyed by their corrupt activities. In addition to Reps. Ney and Cunningham, former Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) has been indicted in Texas and is facing possible federal indictment in the Jack Abramoff scandal and Reps. William Jefferson (D-LA), Jerry Lewis (R-CA), Alan Mollohan (D-WV), as well as Sens. Conrad Burns (R-MT) and Bill Frist (R-TN) are now under federal investigation.


***

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) is a non-profit, legal watchdog group dedicated to holding public officials accountable for their actions.
For more information, please visit www.citizensforethics.org or contact Naomi Seligman Steiner at 202.408.5565/[email protected].

# # #


More:
http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/newsrelease.php?view=156


Actually, it's pretty small potatoes stuff compared to what the Repukes do. But I think Democrats should hold ourselves to a higher standard:

See:

Rep. John Murtha (D-PA)

John Murtha is a seventeenth-term member of Congress, representing the 12th district of Pennsylvania. His ethics issues stem from abuse of his position as Ranking Member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee to benefit clients of his brother, Robert “Kit” Murtha, a registered lobbyist.

KSA Consulting

In 2002, Kit Murtha was hired by KSA Consulting, a firm that lobbies the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee on behalf of defense contractors. Mr. Murtha joined the firm at the invitation of top KSA official Carmen Scialabba, who had worked for Rep. Murtha on the House Appropriations Committee for 27 years.

In 2004, Congress passed a $417 billion defense appropriations bill that went through Rep. Murtha’s subcommittee. The bill benefitted at least 10 companies represented by KSA and KSA directly lobbied Rep. Murtha’s office on behalf of seven of those companies, which received a total $20.8 million in earmarks.

PMA Group

Paul Magliocchetti worked with Rep. Murtha as a senior staffer on the Appropriations Committee Subcommittee on Defense for 10 years. After leaving the committee, Mr. Magliocchetti founded the PMA Group, which has become one of the most prominent Washington, D.C. defense lobbying firms. In the current campaign cycle, the PMA Group and 12 of the firm’s clients rank in the top 20 contributors to Rep. Murtha, having made campaign contributions totaling $274,649. In turn, many of PMA’s clients have benefited significantly from Rep. Murtha’s earmarks. In the 2006 Defense appropriations bill, PMA clients received at least 60 earmarks, totaling $95.1 million.

House ethics rules prohibit members from taking any official actions for the prospect of personal gain for themselves or anyone else. In addition, Rule XXIII of the House Ethics Manual requires all members of the House to conduct themselves “at all times in a manner that reflects creditably on the House.” By earmarking funds for companies represented by Kit Murtha and Paul Magliocchetti, Rep. Murtha has violated House rules.

More:
http://www.beyonddelay.org/summaries/murtha.php


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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:28 PM
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4. sometime it is all about odd bedfellows that get the job done (OOI)
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-12-06 02:31 PM
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5. Hoyer says he has the votes...can't wait to find out who the hell
Hoyer is.
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